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What's so bad about being a Twilight Fanatic?
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Bella wrote: "I think it reflects the fun of reading. Every time we pick up a book, we want to be swept away into a different place. Sometimes the effect is so powerful, we don't want to let go. LOL Anyway, I j..."I'm not a fan of either the books or the films (and yes, I DID read them), but I like what you said here. This is by far one of the most thoughtful and LITERATE views I've read on this topic and I agree. I have a lot of books that evoke a similar response within me. However, I also make it a point to share my passion with those I whom I know might be receptive to it, and I also understand that others may not feel the same way and I'm all right with that. Twi-tards (not Twi-hards whom I can agree to disagree with) just aren't realistic in that fashion. In their minds, EVERYONE should love it or else their lives are horrible.
Vixenne wrote: "Bella wrote: "I think it reflects the fun of reading. Every time we pick up a book, we want to be swept away into a different place. Sometimes the effect is so powerful, we don't want to let go. LO..."beautifully written
Bella wrote: "Thanks, Juliet!"ummm I was commenting on Vixen, but same goes for u!!!
That's what I get for speed-reading! LOL
Bella wrote: "That's what I get for speed-reading! LOL"LOL!!
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Thanks for the comment, LOL, but I was quoting and responding to what Bella (ironically *wink*) had to say. I thought her original post was really insightful.
the book Twilight (only the first) in and of itself was amazing and very well written. the characters, the atmosphere created, everything was exceptional. but it is difficult when books are developed into movies and the movies are such HORRIBLE representations of the books. i am not talking about this in terms of 'twilight fanatics', im talking in terms of stephenie meyer, if i were her, I would be dissatisfied with the way twilight has been portrayed. what's more is that the movies depict such false perceptions of romance and reality that are so detrimental to girls who enjoy twilight. There are seven/eight year old girls reading twilight, in the teen sections at the library, watching vampire diaries, and all because of the influences of twilight. What's more is that Kristen and Robert act extremely poorly, many are ashamed of liking twilight because the acting in the movies is just so ridiculous. kudos to whoever said 'bella has no substance', because i must admit, Bella in the movies does not. Last, I would like to say that the Twilight craze itself is so ridiculous because there are millions of girls out there, who are somehow ALL the 'BIGGEST TWILIGHT FANS EVER'. These people do not have minds of their own, they have no critiquing skills, no individuality or taste, because clearly they cannot distinguish between quality and lack thereof.
Vixenne wrote: "Thanks for the comment, LOL, but I was quoting and responding to what Bella (ironically *wink*) had to say. I thought her original post was really insightful."then i applaud both you and Bella for wonderful thinking.
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@Reesa: Personally, the books themselves present false perceptions of what romance and relationships are about, so blaming the films is kind of pointless. From what I've heard, Kristen Stewart did a pretty good job of infusing a bland character like Bella with some personality.What concerns me most about the whole Twilight craze is that it makes young women look very silly and immature. I'm a Star Wars fan and believe me we've got psycho fanboys in our midst. The difference, unfortunately is gender-based. Star Wars fanboys are still considered (somewhat) rational whereas Twilight fangirls are thought of as irrational. It doesn't help the cause when practically every discussion about Twilight looks like it's been written by semi-literate escapees from kindergarden or when Edward Cullen becomes the standard for masculine behavior, LOL.
Vixenne wrote: "@Reesa: Personally, the books themselves present false perceptions of what romance and relationships are about, so blaming the films is kind of pointless. From what I've heard, Kristen Stewart did..."so true!!!! I love whenever you go on a Twilight discussion and most of the comments are TWILIGHT ROCKS!!!!!! or EDWARD IS HOT!!!!!! Most fans just don't have actual reasons as to WHY Twilight is *awesome*
Vixenne wrote: "@Reesa: Personally, the books themselves present false perceptions of what romance and relationships are about, so blaming the films is kind of pointless. From what I've heard, Kristen Stewart did..."LOL you are absolutely right, people never have reasonable explanations as to why twilight is so amazing. and really, do you think kristen stewart did a good job, because i don't know if you've heard, but she is a woman of 'a thousand expressions'. :P
Raeesa wrote: "Vixenne wrote: "@Reesa: Personally, the books themselves present false perceptions of what romance and relationships are about, so blaming the films is kind of pointless. From what I've heard, Kri..."ummm the Kristen Stewart comment is debatable.....lol!
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Raeesa wrote: "LOL you are absolutely right, people never have reasonable explanations as to why twilight is so amazing. and really, do you think kristen stewart did a good job, because i don't know if you've heard, but she is a woman of 'a thousand expressions'. :P..."Since I haven't seen the films, nor have any interest in doing so, my view on Kristin Stewart's performance comes from other sources. The people I know who did see Twilight told me that she did a fairly good job. Then again, considering that Bella was such a flat character anyway, any sort of emotion would be an improvement. Hence, lesson for any aspiring writers out there: Mary Sues DO NOT translate well to film.
Juliet wrote: "Raeesa wrote: "Vixenne wrote: "@Reesa: Personally, the books themselves present false perceptions of what romance and relationships are about, so blaming the films is kind of pointless. From what ..."i don't think so, no. she and her acting are both bland and uninteresting.
Raeesa wrote: "Juliet wrote: "Raeesa wrote: "Vixenne wrote: "@Reesa: Personally, the books themselves present false perceptions of what romance and relationships are about, so blaming the films is kind of pointle..."which means she portrays Bella's character perfectly, though I am not sure the stuttering and drawling is intentional.
nevertheless, im sure they could have done much better in terms of casting. its a shame really, the story has just become a joke for most.
Raeesa wrote: "nevertheless, im sure they could have done much better in terms of casting. its a shame really, the story has just become a joke for most."It has always been a joke to me, I hated the books, but the movies almost made me hate them more.
Juliet wrote: "Raeesa wrote: "nevertheless, im sure they could have done much better in terms of casting. its a shame really, the story has just become a joke for most."It has always been a joke to me, I hated ..."
true, the movies just made it even more ridiculous.
Raeesa wrote: "Juliet wrote: "Raeesa wrote: "nevertheless, im sure they could have done much better in terms of casting. its a shame really, the story has just become a joke for most."It has always been a joke ..."
agreed
I know this is going back quite a way but I stumbled across this discussion whilst researching for an essay.
Helen wrote 'When naming the Cullens, she used names that were popular around the era that each Cullen hailed from'.
I don't understand why any religious protestant family in sixteenth century England would name their child Carlisle. Carlisle is a town in Cumbria which is almost directly on the border between England and Scotland which would have made it an area of tension and a sight of conflict in terms of territory. Cromwell's defeat of King Charles I, who was only the second monarch to be king of both nations would have heightened Anglo Scottish tensions. I don't see any staunch Englishman, as Carlisle's father was depicted as being, naming his child after a disputed Scottish border town.
This may seem like I am being too picky but I really don't think the books were well researched and the description of English history was all wrong, I'm English and it annoys me when American authors just throw a bunch of stereotypes together and think that makes a character English. Carlisle, I thought, was potentially one of the most interesting characters but in the end he just went flat. It's a shame because I gave up reading the saga after this point as I lost interest.
Helen wrote 'When naming the Cullens, she used names that were popular around the era that each Cullen hailed from'.
I don't understand why any religious protestant family in sixteenth century England would name their child Carlisle. Carlisle is a town in Cumbria which is almost directly on the border between England and Scotland which would have made it an area of tension and a sight of conflict in terms of territory. Cromwell's defeat of King Charles I, who was only the second monarch to be king of both nations would have heightened Anglo Scottish tensions. I don't see any staunch Englishman, as Carlisle's father was depicted as being, naming his child after a disputed Scottish border town.
This may seem like I am being too picky but I really don't think the books were well researched and the description of English history was all wrong, I'm English and it annoys me when American authors just throw a bunch of stereotypes together and think that makes a character English. Carlisle, I thought, was potentially one of the most interesting characters but in the end he just went flat. It's a shame because I gave up reading the saga after this point as I lost interest.
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@Suzanne: We're talking Stephenie Meyer here. Research? Surely you jest, LOL.You're so right about Carlisle. He was an interesting character with a fascinating background. Too bad she pretty much decided to hell with him.
Suzanne wrote: "I know this is going back quite a way but I stumbled across this discussion whilst researching for an essay.Helen wrote 'When naming the Cullens, she used names that were popular around the era t..."
haha, research and Stephanie Meyer, your joking right?
I was expecting people to disagree with me but its nice to have some support. The original poster was using the names to back up a point stating that Meyer did do her research.
'When naming the Cullens, she used names that were popular around the era that each Cullen hailed from'.
I just wondered how many of those that that defend her research were aware of how absurd it seemed, to an English girl who is reasonably knowledgeable about her own history, that an 16th Century Englishman would have been named Carlise. It just seems to me that Meyer chose names that sounded old and romantic. I started reading the first book way before there was the hype and I just became bored of it,although I suppose for a tweenage romance I shouldn't have had very high expectations but the ill researched references to English history are what really pissed me off, i.e it had Carlisle hiding in the sewers in London but there was no sewer system when there was no sewer system in London until the 18th century. A brief glance over a book about the history of London would have told her that.
Carlisle definitely had potential to be an interesting character, but then its not hard to make them more interesting Edward and Bella. If she had developed his story properly and researched it as she should have done I may have finished the books or at least the first one and while I would have remained unimpressed with the main storyline I would have at least been able to cite this as a redeeming feature.
'When naming the Cullens, she used names that were popular around the era that each Cullen hailed from'.
I just wondered how many of those that that defend her research were aware of how absurd it seemed, to an English girl who is reasonably knowledgeable about her own history, that an 16th Century Englishman would have been named Carlise. It just seems to me that Meyer chose names that sounded old and romantic. I started reading the first book way before there was the hype and I just became bored of it,although I suppose for a tweenage romance I shouldn't have had very high expectations but the ill researched references to English history are what really pissed me off, i.e it had Carlisle hiding in the sewers in London but there was no sewer system when there was no sewer system in London until the 18th century. A brief glance over a book about the history of London would have told her that.
Carlisle definitely had potential to be an interesting character, but then its not hard to make them more interesting Edward and Bella. If she had developed his story properly and researched it as she should have done I may have finished the books or at least the first one and while I would have remained unimpressed with the main storyline I would have at least been able to cite this as a redeeming feature.
Suzanne wrote: "I was expecting people to disagree with me but its nice to have some support. The original poster was using the names to back up a point stating that Meyer did do her research.'When naming the Cu..."
very interesting points, all correct of course
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What I've found fascinating and a little inexplicable is this idea that just because Twilight is FICTION that somehow excuses Meyer from any criticism whatsoever. I don't know how many times I've read posts that say since she's been published and millions of people like the books, shoddy writing, questionable characterizations and lack of research is perfectly acceptable. Ironic then, that those who dislike Twilight for whatever reason, tend to have quite compelling reasons which are intelligently stated.
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Why am I not surprised?
hahahah it makes so much sense now, she doesn't know that people want to correct her, thats why she wrote a sequel
Suzanne wrote: "I was expecting people to disagree with me but its nice to have some support. The original poster was using the names to back up a point stating that Meyer did do her research.'When naming the Cu..."
First, just so you know where I'm coming from, I'm a big Twilight fan.
You're the first person that I've heard of to bring discussion to the names. Carlisle, very intersting, thanks for the info. And I can understand your frustration with that.
I understand everyone's complaints at her grammar and such, and I've made peace with that. But, I do believe that Twilight was a pretty big rush to publish. I believe that it went basically from first draft to on the shelves in about a year. (I could be a little off) I guess there's a lesson to be learned in that it's self. I don't ever remember her saying that she actually "researched" the names. I doubt she did to great extent. I just know that she picked "oldfashioned" names. That's good enough for me. Once again, I read to be entertained, not to look for perfection.
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A baby name book could have worked wonders, and the internet has been a boon for research. Meyer just didn't care all that much for veracity. That's fine, but neither she nor her rabid defenders should expect to get a free pass because "it's just fiction". Stephen King is "just fiction", but I'm sure he did his homework on The Stanley Hotel in Colorado before he wrote The Shining. I read for entertainment too, but a good book--even a frothy frappe novel--there's always something that I take away from it.
I think the problem is there are too many book snobs out there. I am in my thirties and enjoyed the books and movies for what they are. Its aimed at young adults so it is not going to challenge you are get you thinking but sometimes in life that bit of escapism is just what you need! I do think some people have gone overboard with the whole twilight craze and that too puts a negative spin on its followers. I say read and let read!!
Karen wrote: "I think the problem is there are too many book snobs out there. I am in my thirties and enjoyed the books and movies for what they are. Its aimed at young adults so it is not going to challenge you..."Yes, I agree! There are to many people that are to snobby when it comes to Twilight, or whatever other book(s) that they love. Now I'm not saying everyones like that, but when they take it as far as saying that their is no other book(s) greater then what they are naming then they took it to far and I just roll my eyes and think, "Yeah whatever."
I can understand the point that they are just teenage fiction and therefore we may be being too picky with the research and the grammar. But Stephenie Meyer herself has compared her books with classics, and I often am told by Twilight fans that they are as good as classics.So if we then claim that they should be praised with highest literature standards, then surely they should also be open to a higher standard of criticism.
I also understand that not every Twilight fan is making the claim that it is a classic in the making and I mean no disrespect for anyone's opinion.
The issue to do with English history was just a personal annoyance, and I suppose you could argue that the average American teenager, and British teenager, would not care about the inaccuracies.
I also understand that not every Twilight fan is making the claim that it is a classic in the making and I mean no disrespect for anyone's opinion.
The issue to do with English history was just a personal annoyance, and I suppose you could argue that the average American teenager, and British teenager, would not care about the inaccuracies.
Lindis wrote: "I am starting this chat because I am wondering why people are so upset about the "Twilight Rage" I happen to be a "Twilighter" I love the books, I love the story, I wish I could be a Cullen! And I'..."I agree...what is the big deal about falling into a fantasy world every once in awhile? As long as it doesn't interrupt your daily life, although I will say...when I read the books...it was long after they came out and I read all 4 in a week much to my husband's chagrin...but I'm a fast reader...lol...But really...isn't that what reading and books are all about...being able to get lost in another world and take our minds off of the reality that exists around us? How is being a hard core twilight fan any different from someone who is into a particular period of history, or historical character? We all need something...
Karen wrote: "I think the problem is there are too many book snobs out there. I am in my thirties and enjoyed the books and movies for what they are. Its aimed at young adults so it is not going to challenge you..."You automatically assume that young adult literature isn't supposed to challenge the reader and make him/her think? What brought you to that conclusion? Because that is absolutely ludicrous. Even comic books or simple children's books such as Good Night Moon are meant to stir some reactions and thought processes. Saying that Twilight is excused from intellectual thought because it is written for young adults is a cop-out and extremely disrespectful towards the intelligence of the readers of the series (which is very odd considering you are a reader yourself) and young adults in general.
I agree. Lots of teenage fiction makes an observation on society or makes a point to get the reader thinking i.e 'The Boy In The Striped Pajama's' or 'The Outsiders'.
Suzanne wrote: "I agree. Lots of teenage fiction makes an observation on society or makes a point to get the reader thinking i.e 'The Boy In The Striped Pajama's' or 'The Outsiders'."Perfect examples of thought-provoking young adult literature! And targeted towards an even younger audience, Roald Dahl and Lois Lowry both write beautiful thought provoking fiction for children and middle graders. Just because children and young adults are less experienced doesn't automatically make them incapable of understanding complex social commentaries.
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@Cassie: I couldn't have said it better myself. Thank you!
Suzanne wrote: "I can understand the point that they are just teenage fiction and therefore we may be being too picky with the research and the grammar. But Stephenie Meyer herself has compared her books with clas..."I don't think that Meyer has compared her books to the classics, in the sence that you think. She wasn't saying that her books are as good as them. She has just compared some of her charachters to some of those from the classics. Not that they were written as well as classics. Her books aren't even in the same genre. How many Young Adult Romance classics are there anyway?
Sooo happy to see a discussion on this topic. I myself am a huge fan of the books, the movie, the author and the director. So much so that I got a red apple tattooed on me :) and like the above comment, I myself, am an adult as well. These books sucked me right out of reality, isnt that what a good author does??
Amanda wrote: "Sooo happy to see a discussion on this topic. I myself am a huge fan of the books, the movie, the author and the director. So much so that I got a red apple tattooed on me :) and like the above ..."That's so funny...I was just thinking of getting a green apple becuase I am huge Beatles fan and my friend said I should get a red one too for Twilight...
Farrah wrote: "Amanda wrote: "Sooo happy to see a discussion on this topic. I myself am a huge fan of the books, the movie, the author and the director. So much so that I got a red apple tattooed on me :) and ..."omg i got "let it be on my wrist" lolol i would deff do a red and green apple two shoulders wrists or ankles lolol
Amanda wrote: "Farrah wrote: "Amanda wrote: "Sooo happy to see a discussion on this topic. I myself am a huge fan of the books, the movie, the author and the director. So much so that I got a red apple tattooed..."my shoulders and wrists are both taken lol...I am working on getting the tree of life on my back ...I am thinking about putting the green apple in it. I like the "Let it Be" on the wrist...good one.
I just think they hate it because everyone loves it so much......let's be honest... I pretty sure we all know a lot of closet Twihearts haha
i know right i'm a fan of the book i'm not on any team heck if i could i'd be on team bella why fight for one when you can have both guys fighting for you ha lol!!!
Amanda wrote: "Sooo happy to see a discussion on this topic. I myself am a huge fan of the books, the movie, the author and the director. So much so that I got a red apple tattooed on me :) and like the above ..."Hey! I've got a red apple tattoo too! : ) And, I agree with what you've said as well.
nothing twilights cool what team are you edward or jacob?
cool your a big fan so am i but i dont want a tattoo i think it will hurt
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