What's so bad about being a Twilight Fanatic?

[[deleted user]]

Kristen wrote: "however I'd rather support her actual church than other things, like oh say, some celebrities drug habits. "

Yeah well, when Charlie Sheen's crack addiction leads to gays being spat upon, blacks being referred to as sinners, and women being labeled inferior... then we'll call that a proper example.

I could careless what someone does to their own body, that;s their business. However when I find out that someone I finance uses their money to fund groups that attempt to extend their beliefs in mass against others; the money flow stops.

It's called having standards.

[Kristen]

Paul wrote: "Kristen wrote: "however I'd rather support her actual church than other things, like oh say, some celebrities drug habits. "

Yeah well, when Charlie Sheen's crack addiction leads to gays being spa..."

I feel as if you're still missing the point. I wasn't criticizing you for "having standards".
Merely for being biased in those standards.

I find it sincerely laughable that you're implying that giving money to Stephenie Meyer is SO much worse than giving it to Charlie Sheen. And you are saying that I have no standards!!

Where do you suppose those drugs come from? And what do you think happens to the money used to pay for those drugs? Really. Are you naive enough to think that celebrity drug addictions have no affect on others? Really?

You don't have to bother replying because I'm done answering.
The comment above was dead on. This conversation - on a YA book, by the way - has become completely pathetic.

[[deleted user]]

Kristen wrote: "Paul wrote: ""Personally I'd rather support the Mormon church indirectly than some of the other things that certain individuals in such positions support. At least they sort of have standards..."

..."

I'm actually a Mormon, and I can assure you that Stephanie does not actually meet any Mormon standards. When people convert to the LDS church they actually know what they're getting into, I assure you that there are very few members of the Mormon church that do not know without great detail about this religion and I can also put to rest that if Stephanie wrote that book, then religion has absolutely no relation to her novels.

[The FountainPenDiva, Old school geek chick and lover of teddy bears]

I actually think the conversation has been rather interesting. Heated, but interesting. Then again, a spirited debate keeps things lively.

I don't particularly care for the rabid members of the fanbase who would hear nothing said against St. Stephanie of the Sparklepires, but I have to give the woman credit for one thing. She has done what every good author (which she is so not) aspires to do--that is to create characters that readers develop an emotional reaction to, be that reaction positive or negative. The readers who love the series have their faves--Team Edward, Team Jacob, Team Voluturi, etc. and will practically defend them to the death, as many posts here will attest to, irregardless of logic.

I don't particularly blame Ms. Meyer for the fact that her writing is mediocre at best. I blame the New York publishing industry who were looking for the next Harry Potter phenomenon. Eragon was okay (no, I didn't like it either), but it didn't have the same appeal across the genders as did HP. On the other hand, paranomal romance was really taking off and they wanted to cash in on that as well. Hence, Twilight and a totally not ready for prime time author named Stephanie Meyer. And now there's a slew of Twilight-clones featuring bland and helpless TSTL female characters (Too Stupid To Live) unequally paired with mysterious, stalker and borderline abusive male characters who just happen to be HAWT. That to me is a tragedy. YA used to be a little more edgy; then again I'm finding quality works from a lot of British and Aussie authors. I guess the whole Twilight thing hasn't influenced them--thank the goddess.

[[deleted user]]

Kristen wrote:"I feel as if you're still missing the point"
No you've missed the point. Tell me how one person's drug addiction measures up to the influence of a hateful religion that has millions of members to spread their venom.

I'll wait...

[[deleted user]]

Kataury wrote: "I'm actually a Mormon, and I can assure you that Stephanie does not actually meet any Mormon standards. When people convert to the LDS church they actually know what they're getting into, I assure you that there are very few members of the Mormon church that do not know without great detail about this religion and I can also put to rest that if Stephanie wrote that book, then religion has absolutely no relation to her novels."

Really?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06...

Also, her influence isn't what I was talking about. I was talking about where the money was going... are you going to refute that the LDS takes money from their members regardless of what they pedal?

[[deleted user]]

I LOVED the first book others not so much. The idea is excellent in the first book!! I found it got repetitive though. But that's just my opinion!!

[Kristen]

Vixenne wrote: "I actually think the conversation has been rather interesting. Heated, but interesting. Then again, a spirited debate keeps things lively.

I don't particularly care for the rabid members of th..."

I really hope you're not confusing me with those "rabid members" lol I just enjoy debating.
I don't mind if someone wants to criticize a book they don't like. Or anything else. All I ask is if you're going to say something like 'the book is complete crap', back that up with actual objective reasons (like you did) other than it doesn't meet with your own personal standards or simply because you have a particular bias to it or it's author.

[Iliana]

NOTHING IS WRONG!!! I AM!! AND I'M PROUD!!!

[The FountainPenDiva, Old school geek chick and lover of teddy bears]

Kristen wrote: "I don't mind if someone wants to criticize a book they don't like. Or anything else. All I ask is if you're going to say something like 'the book is complete crap', back that up with actual objective reasons (like you did) other than it doesn't meet with your own personal standards or simply because you have a particular bias to it or it's author."

I don't think there's anything wrong with being a Twilight fan, and to be fair I've met just as many sane Twilight fans and they're really awesome to chat with--we just don't agree and at the end of the day we're still civil and go out and have a beer, LOL.

I'm an anime and metal fan. I know there are people who aren't into those things and sometimes I get strange looks. Still, their feelings don't change mine. It sometimes seems that hard-core Twi-hards really don't get that. Some of them take any criticism personally, as if they themselves are Stephanie Meyer or one of her relatives.

Also, what we're talking about is overkill. If Twilight came and went, had a bit of an explosion then slowly faded away, no problem. But now practically every single paranormal book aimed at the YA market is Twilight-redux, and that's so not a good thing. Same bland and weak female character, same mysterious, hot guy whose behavior comes pretty darn close to stalkerish and abusive wrapped in a thin veneer of TWU WUV.

[Kristen]

Vixenne wrote: "Kristen wrote: "I don't mind if someone wants to criticize a book they don't like. Or anything else. All I ask is if you're going to say something like 'the book is complete crap', back that up wit..."

Well, I hope you've met some of us who are sane, lol

I don't really get why it's SO big, actually. I loved it when I read it, and sure maybe I was a tad obsessed for a while, but like you said, stuff like that should come and go. It's not THAT good. And there are many many other books that are worth spending the time on.

But just like the super crazy fans get annoying, so do the people who are the opposite - the one's who are SO against it and bash it at every turn.
I think it's stupid to take the criticism personally - unless you, yourself actually had something to do with writing it. But the 'Twilight is the worst book ever written, it's a horrible influence on girls, there's not one good thing to ever come from it, Stephenie Meyer is the devil' kind of stuff, gets really old after a while.

But, Yeah, I agree. I think it's stupid that everything has to imitate it. It was a nice story, but people need to be original. Mostly, I think they just figured out a 'new' way to market to teens and pounced on it. And since alot of teens are sheep, they will read anything if it resembles Bella and Edward.
However, I also think that just because you CAN find certain similarities, doesn't mean they were intentional. It's a teen romance about a human and a vampire - how different can the millions of stories on that subject, possibly be?

Actually, I think the world's Twilight obsession will be dying down soon. I just think it's lasted this long because of the movies. The first movie (though I'm not sure why, exactly) made many more Twilight fans. And I'm sure that happened with the other 2 as well. And of course, they've got to drag the last one out so they can keep making money off it. But after BD has it's shining moment(moments since it'll be 2 movies), it will die down just like everything else.

[Ashlee]

I think I'm about done with this thread too. When people start throwing around foul language over a book discussion (come on guys, grow up!) well...thats when I'm all done. I've said what I needed to, and now I'll move on with life. I don't care to get into religion, throw around cuss words (I guess I can control myself better than that) and this discussion just isn't interesting anymore. It's a bunch of whiney adults. If I want to have another Twilight discussion, I'll post a new thread and (hopefully) only mature people will read, respond, and discuss it with me.


Good day to you all, and thank you to those who made a small part of this thread mature and fun to participate in. :)

[[deleted user]]

Oh fuck you Ashlee...

What this is all about is you Twi-twits not being able to hear criticism because you are so obsessed with the author and her bile that she squirts out for your lapping up.

There are plenty of things that I like that others don't, however, you won't see me defending it to the bitter end and calling someone less of a person because they don't like Hunter S Thompson or HP Lovecraft's work.

These are our opinions, don't like it? Go cry into the barrel of a shotgun.

[Lura (The Life of Serendipity)]

Okay guys come on its over a stupid book, a piece of fiction maybe up by a bored housewife, that's all. I mean if your really defending a book because not everyone thinks it a piece of art, then oh well.

[Ashlee]

Paul, you are quite a drama queen.

If you read my post, I said it was ridiculous to be fighting over a book. I don't like some peoples opinions, and thats my right to dislike them.

So rather than using rude words (I guess you can't control yourself, a tad pathetic) I'm deciding to ignore this thread now, it's no longer fun. And Paul, perhaps you should seek some help for your lack of self control in an argument. Telling someone to cry in the barrel of a shotgun? over a book discussion? look who can't take criticism now! you're just being whiney because you didn't like what I had to say...sort of how I didn't like what you had to say. I guess there is no happy medium to agree to disagree? and actually, if you check my previous posts I said I could see where others were coming from, but judging from your post, you failed to look at all the comments posted. I also never said you were any less of a person, so don't go putting words in my mouth. Nothing in my post was aimed directly at you, but to everyone who can't like an adult over something this ridiculous! it's a BOOK! come on now!

Well, at least I got a little chuckle out of your pathetic attempt to insult me. G'day Paul!

[1luvbooks]

I don't like Twilight, but also, I have seen some people go crazy bashing it and it's actually really uncomfortable. My biggest objection? I really hate that the Twilight vamps are not traditional vamps. I just wish Stephenie Meyer had looked into vampire folklore before righting this. It really bugs me! The story is ok. The characters are not so good, but whatever. I'm not going to go shouting on some discussion, just because I don't like this book.

[Esther]

Can we agree to disagree? Both sides make excellent points but there will always be arguing going around. Is Stephenie Meye a good writer?
Is it right to call an author a moron?
Can you let the people who love twilight love twilight?
Why are we going on about this?
Everyone has their views, not everyone will agree. Its a fact of life, so

[Esther]

get over it!

[Ashlee]

Good point Esther, this thread should just be done with now. No one is going to convince someone to start disliking Twilight, nor can it make someone who doesn't care for it, like the series. We're going around in circles. I agree to disagree and be done with it.

[Esther]

How you just wrote that which are going to bring more arguments into this. OK sorry if I misread the information above. There are people who love like and hate Twilight, and I love twilight but right now you guys are turning it into about yourselves. Get over it. S. Meyer wrote a book, it sold millions, some hate some love the end!

[Lura (The Life of Serendipity)]

God really I think everyone makes up stuff so they have something to fight about...

[Sally]

Yep - guilty. I love Twilight, Potter, Percy Jackson, and now I'm enthralled in Hunger Games.
Is it so wrong for me to escape from reality once in awhile? I have to let my imagination run wild. Twilight is a great escape. I even love some of the stories from the fanfic sites online.

[Nakia]

I am in LOVEE with Twilight!! I am not just a fan, I am a huge Twihard and I always will be. I can't stand when people bash it and say horrible things and they never read the books or seen the movies. They say it because their friends are saying it or they have nothing better to do, and that's sad. There is nothing at all wrong with loving Twilight. It is such a beautiful and fantastic story, and for the people who don't think so it's just their loss. I also love Harry Potter!

[The FountainPenDiva, Old school geek chick and lover of teddy bears]

Nakia wrote: "I am in LOVEE with Twilight!! I am not just a fan, I am a huge Twihard and I always will be. I can't stand when people bash it and say horrible things and they never read the books or seen the movi..."

You see, a perfect example of a rabid Twi-hard.

WHY is it my loss because having slogged through all four books, I decided I did not like them and have my reasons for not liking them? What am I losing out on by not slavishly following a trend comprised of what I believe to be bad writing and carboard characters? Is my life somehow empty because I'm not slobbering over Edward Cullen or wanting my BF to be like Jacob Black? Does that mean I'm a horrible and terrible person with no hopes, dreams or goals?

Sorry, but that's utter bull-pucky (to borrow a phrase from Rachel Maddow). I totally respect your right to enjoy Twilight and to be as big a fan as you want, so why not extend the same courtesy to me and others without telling us how 'sad' we must be.

[CF]

We should split this thread into 'people who are intelligent' and 'people who are dumb and can't read' - I'm actually amazed a lot of the people commenting in this thread even got through a book.

[Birgitta]

Wow, I think there is nothing wrong with it. I mean it like what the fuck is wrong with people. "I like Harry Potter and that's why I just gotta hate Twilight and talk bad things about it blah blah blah....."
You can be a fan of both things you know. Or, okay, you read it and honestly dislike it, you don't have to go around telling people how you hate and how it sucked.
I AM A FAN OF HARRY POTTER AND TWILIGHT, and I'm proud.
Shut the fuck up haters.

[CF]

Hahaha. Oh my god. This thread is hilarious.

[Lura (The Life of Serendipity)]

Claire wrote: "Hahaha. Oh my god. This thread is hilarious."

Yeah I know right...

[[deleted user]]

Sweet Cherries, you twi-twits are doing nothing for your case in regards to your intelligence. You can say whatever you want, but it is clearly obvious you have the reading comprehension of someone who should be in line to participate in the special Olympics.

[Sharon]

Paul wrote: "Sweet Cherries, you twi-twits are doing nothing for your case in regards to your intelligence. You can say whatever you want, but it is clearly obvious you have the reading comprehension of someone..."

Short and to the point. Love it!

[Nakia]

Vixenne wrote: "Nakia wrote: "I am in LOVEE with Twilight!! I am not just a fan, I am a huge Twihard and I always will be. I can't stand when people bash it and say horrible things and they never read the books or..."

Ok..first of all, why are you even in this disscusion if you "hate" it so much??. Second of all, who are you to even comment on my post, do you really have the guts to say what you said and think thats ok?? And third of all, you are the perfect example of what I talked about, you have no life so you decide to say that they are "cardboard characters" and its "bad writing" just to piss us off for no reason. Just because you can't understand how truly fantastic it is you don't have to make the people who do feel like crap. And fyi... sorry you ARE losing out and IT IS your loss. And I am a TRUE Twihard and this isnt a trend to me, this is real and its something that i truly love and so does the other MILLIONS of fans you idiot. I dont like Jacob in the story and i dont wish he was my bf. And no you dont have any respect for me or any fans or Twihards because you wouldnt have even made that comment to begin with. And HELL NO I would NEVER give you any ounce of respect cause I don't know if you know this but you have to give respect to get it, and why should I have to give you the respect when your the one bashing it?? Your an idiot and you don't know very much and you proved that. I honestly don't care what you think or say and I feel very sorry for you.

[1luvbooks]

Oh my gosh you guys.
I know everyone is going to go on freaking out at each other, but, really, what does it matter? I personally do not like this book, and nothing will make me like it. But still, I am not going to go yell at someone who likes it. Going on about people missing out for not liking Twilight is not very adept- if the person doesn't like Twilight, it's not their loss. They don't like it- they don't care. (For the Twihards)
And, also, if a person likes it, calling them stupid, or something else offensive is not going to accomplish anything except making the arguments between the Twilight lovers and the Twilight haters.
(For the Twihaters)
Whether you like it or not, STAY OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE!

[Kristen]

No freaking kidding!

I sincerely hope that everyone name calling and getting super upset about criticisms for or against the book are all under the age of 13 or so. Otherwise, it's just sad.

Grow up, people.

[1luvbooks]

Exactly. Seriously you guys, it's just a book.

[Gerchia]

I love the series! And Harry Potter too. I think it's just that people are tired of hearing about it but I can personaly talk about it FOREVER. It inspired millions to fall in love with reading again. So I'm definitely not scared to be a FANATIC.

[Emiilia]

I am a twilight crazy person. And I dont cares if people know it. HA, I even have a big poster of the twilight cast in my room. I has all the twilight autographs.

[Maggi]

thts really cool! i like twilight but i aint really a fanatic!

[A. Vampire Queen.]

I was a serious Twi-hard but now im more just a big Twi-fan

[Tamara]

i think its stupid to like a book becasue everyone else like it but i think its even more redicules to dilike a book just becasue everyone lkes it.
i <3 twilight

[1luvbooks]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I am getting so tired of all those condescending "It's their loss"s! It makes me very angry!!!! If they do not like it, it's not their loss. They obviously have reasons for it, and they have other things they like better. You can like it, cool, but don't go around acting like you're so much better because you like twilight and the other person doesn't. Seriously. JUST STOP IT ALREADY!!!!!

[talia]

In reference to the earlier topic about Bella getting everything she wants...
It's true. She does get everything. But what I fail to see is what's so bad about that. Sure, it's unrealistic and everything, but it's not like this book is supposed to be realistic. It's a fantasy! And it's nice to think about a world where we get everything we want, where we have our own happily FOREVER afters.

[Aalisha]

I am in love with the TWILIGHT SAGA!!!!they are the best books I've read so far!!!I don't have any problem with the twilight haters but it just gets irritating when I'm around and they start blabbering all rubbish about it!! I really enjoyed reading the books more than the movies because the book actually made me feel like i was there!!!I have always failed to se whats bad about it!!!i just dont understand why people think its inappropriate for kids and teens.......i know it is not real but can you imagine what life would be like if we would be there and get everything we wanted!!
I LOVE THE TWILIGHT SAGA AND I ALWAYS WILL!!!

[Emma]

Lindis wrote: "I am starting this chat because I am wondering why people are so upset about the "Twilight Rage" I happen to be a "Twilighter" I love the books, I love the story, I wish I could be a Cullen! And I'..."

I agrea with you lindis im hower team jacob all the way I became that way because of the movei but i think that people should give twlight fans a braick they prople have books that there crais about and were not complaind to them why do they have to like the book so they shount bo telling us what books to read

[The FountainPenDiva, Old school geek chick and lover of teddy bears]

@Nakia: The fact that you're ranting proves my point about some (not all) Twi-hards. You're the ones who ruin it for the sane and rational fans by going all overboard if someone dares criticize the books and/or the films. No dear, my life is just fine not liking Twilight, thank you very much. There are a gazillion books for me to read with far more swoon-worthy heroes than Edward Cullen, and that's MY RIGHT. You just don't seem to get that; instead you're acting like a spoiled brat having a temper tantrum. Grow up, why don't you? Take a lesson from the adult (and sane) fans of Twilight who accept that not everyone's enamored of the Meyer universe.

[Nakia]

Vixenne wrote: "@Nakia: The fact that you're ranting proves my point about some (not all) Twi-hards. You're the ones who ruin it for the sane and rational fans by going all overboard if someone dares criticize th..."

Ok yeah sure Ill give you the right to bash something I love yeah of course...YOU dont seem to get it. In my first post I came on here to talk about my love for Twilight with other fans who feel the same way. Nobody asked you to make a comment on this thread. Why would you even be here if you don't like it?? Just to be mean and piss us off for no reason?? Who are you? Who would care about what you have to say? So don't you dare tell me its your right not to like it and to grow up cause if It was you in this situation and someone was basically telling you the books that you love are horrible, you would be saying the same thing. And just because I have the balls to stick up for something I care so deeply about, does not mean that Im not sane. Are you crazy? And If anything I am being a "grown up" and sticking up for myself and not letting people like you say whatever they want. And what am I ruining?? Im in love with it just like every other fan. And sorry Ill say it again cause you dont seem to understand....IT IS YOUR LOSS. How many languages is the books in?? In how many countries?? how many people replied to this thread talking about their love for Twilight?? You just really need to stop talking cause your making it worse for yourself.

[Vickie]

I think people need to get over themselves. If you don't like a book or it annoys you don't read it or pay attention to what is said about it simple as that. Also, just because someone wrote vampires (or any other creature, being, etc.) as having certain characteristics doesn't mean that that is the only right description and that everything else will always be wrong.

[The FountainPenDiva, Old school geek chick and lover of teddy bears]

@Nakia: Thank you so much for proving exactly what's so bad about being a Twilight Fanatic. In fact, you've just become the poster child. Congratulations!

If I were a fan, I'd be hanging my head in shame at your behavior because it just illustrates to those who didn't like the books just how immature Twilight fans appear to be. Thankfully for every one of you, I've actually read posts from rabid but thoughtful Twilight fans, so all hope's not lost.

I read the books, something you obviously missed in my previous posts. There are a lot of books that I love just as passionately as you do Twilight. The HUGE difference is I can accept that while I love them, others will not. That's life. I don't lose sleep over it, I don't rant like a spoiled two year old or tell others that it's their loss and how sad their lives must be. Do yourself and the rest of the sane Twilight fans a favor. Get a life. Love the books as you will and accept that everyone doesn't share that love.

[♥Glitter in the Air♥]

Nakia wrote- Nobody asked you to make a comment on this thread

First off..who asked you to comment on this thread?? This is an open thread, for Twilight lovers AND haters to comment. It’s a discussion, you can’t really have a good discussion without different views ( To prove my point I looked it up in the dictionary Discussion- an act or instance of discussing; consideration or examination by argument, comment, etc., especially to explore solutions; informal debate. ). Second it was very immature of you to call someone who does not share you point of view, about a book an idiot. Okay if you are trying to prove how ‘adult’ like you are, don’t go around calling people names that makes you look childish (Again to prove my point message 206- Your ( You are- You’re not your.) an idiot and you don't know very much and you proved that.) I would also like to throw in for someone like you, that’s runs around calling people idiots and using terrible grammar ( Example- constantly using the word and to start a sentence, using incorrect punctuation, constantly insulting a person because they don’t agree with you) just makes you look like an idiot. I am sorry but it’s true. That’s like the pot calling the kettle black, I would also like to point out that what I have read of your argument Vixenne has done nothing but try and politely prove a point never once insulting you, or calling you names. Again that looks pretty sad on your part because you are trying to prove how adult like you are. Were yes, adults do stick up for their beliefs they understand not everyone well share their views and that isn’t an excuse to call them names, or saying you have the ‘balls’ to do something.

[♥Glitter in the Air♥]

Vixenne

You watch Rachel Maddow?? I adore her =)

[The FountainPenDiva, Old school geek chick and lover of teddy bears]

Մենք մենակ wrote: "Vixenne

You watch Rachel Maddow?? I adore her =)"

She's pretty cool. I've long since forgiven her the softball interview with Pat Buchanan ;-)

I didn't want to go into Nakia's lack of spelling and grammar, choosing to concentrate on the speciousness of her arguments. I feel very bad for the rational grown-up fans of Twilight who have to deal with that kind of immature ranting. I've never seen Tamora Pierce fans go off the deep end. I'm an avid bibliophile and there are a lot of books I gush effusive over (Outlander, The Black Jewels series, etc.) but I've also read reviews from people who didn't like the books for whatever reason and I'm not inclined to call them idiots. More often than not, we engage in healthy discussions of what we liked/didn't like and call it day.

I didn't want to get into the whole sexism angle, but when young readers act like her, that just feeds the notion about women/girls being too emotional to understand and appreciate good fiction. Romance never gets its just due from highbrow critics in spite of being one of the most popular and money-making genres of literature. Romance readers as a whole are incredibly loyal and in spite of a recession, are still gobbling up books. Most have been on the forefront of the e-book boom as well. It's telling that the criticism leveled against a book like Eragon is less about the fans whereas a lot of the criticism of Twilight is about the fans--which are predominantly female.