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If you could erase one song from existence what would it be?

Oh, he just wants to take a bite out of her.
iBritt wrote: "I want to know why Clark has it out for Fiona Apple."
Her voice is the closest thing on God's green earth to a cat being drowned.
Her voice is the closest thing on God's green earth to a cat being drowned.
Myles wrote: "Clark wrote: "American Music Club"
Most of that list was criminal and most had some minor cause for grievance, but what could you possibly have against AMC? Everclear's genius."
I read a fawning review of that very album which nearly doubled as an act of fellatio-in-print of Mark Eitzel and figured I'd give it a listen. Thank God there wasn't anything sharp next to the bathtub.
OK, Eitzel. We get it. You're filled with despair and heartache but do you have to stretch it across an entire album? It's not the end of the world. When I snap my fingers, move on.
I'd rather be placed into a medically-induced coma than ever listen to it again.
Most of that list was criminal and most had some minor cause for grievance, but what could you possibly have against AMC? Everclear's genius."
I read a fawning review of that very album which nearly doubled as an act of fellatio-in-print of Mark Eitzel and figured I'd give it a listen. Thank God there wasn't anything sharp next to the bathtub.
OK, Eitzel. We get it. You're filled with despair and heartache but do you have to stretch it across an entire album? It's not the end of the world. When I snap my fingers, move on.
I'd rather be placed into a medically-induced coma than ever listen to it again.
Barb wrote: "*thinks it would be easier for Clark to list bands he CAN tolerate*"
Now you KNOW that's not true, Canuck. You've hurt my feelings.
Now you KNOW that's not true, Canuck. You've hurt my feelings.
Barb wrote: "Clark wrote: "iBritt wrote: "I want to know why Clark has it out for Fiona Apple."
Her voice is the closest thing on God's green earth to a cat being drowned."
Never did a drowning cat so..."
Barb wrote: "The good news is that you didn't list my dear Tori"
Oh hell Barb, thanks for reminding me. I'll amend the list.
To be honest, the only thing I've heard from her is her cover of "Smells Like Teen Spirit."
Her voice is the closest thing on God's green earth to a cat being drowned."
Never did a drowning cat so..."
Barb wrote: "The good news is that you didn't list my dear Tori"
Oh hell Barb, thanks for reminding me. I'll amend the list.
To be honest, the only thing I've heard from her is her cover of "Smells Like Teen Spirit."

Sarah Pi wrote: "If you erase the Beatles and Dylan from existence, I don't think most of your favorites would have made their music, Clark. You need protest music to get to punk."
Hmmmm. Something tells me we could've gone quite handily from Point A (Buddy Holly, Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Jerry Lee Lewis, Gene Vincent, Eddy Cochran, Link Wray, Elvis Presley, Vince Taylor - "Brand New Cadillac" anyone? - Johnny Kidd & The Pirates, Johnny Burnette, Johnny Cash, and a raftload of 50's rockabilly and early 60's garage and surf bands) to Point B (mid to late-70's Brit, Yank, and Aussie punk) without touching down at either the Beatles OR Dylan. You don't think any of them wrote protest music?
Hmmmm. Something tells me we could've gone quite handily from Point A (Buddy Holly, Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Jerry Lee Lewis, Gene Vincent, Eddy Cochran, Link Wray, Elvis Presley, Vince Taylor - "Brand New Cadillac" anyone? - Johnny Kidd & The Pirates, Johnny Burnette, Johnny Cash, and a raftload of 50's rockabilly and early 60's garage and surf bands) to Point B (mid to late-70's Brit, Yank, and Aussie punk) without touching down at either the Beatles OR Dylan. You don't think any of them wrote protest music?
janine wrote: "what i take away from this thread: clark likes baths."
Don't get me started.
Don't get me started.


Not saying they didn't. Little Richard was protest music just in his existence; that's why white radio tried to neuter him with the Pat Boone Weapon. I'm just saying that's a lot of music history you're wiping out without regard to its contribution to the stuff you like. Then again, probably any band you erase probably had a better-but-lesser-known understudy in the wings. Maybe Phil Ochs would still be around (and wouldn't have tried the gold lame suit route) if Dylan hadn't gotten all of the attention. Maybe the Kinks or the Stones or the Yardbirds would have turned the girls to jelly if the Beatles hadn't made it big.

Take out The Beatles, Billy Joel, Soundgarden and Prince and I can't argue with the rest of them. Wouldn't lose any sleep if they disappeared.

Well, Well, Well, by Duffy! I WANT THAT SHIT GONE FOREVER!
Friday. More for Rebecca Black's benefit actually.

But EVERYTHING by Shakira does, so she can gather garbage.
It's the warbling voice, I think.


But EVERYTHING by Shakira does, so she can gather garbage.
It's the warbling voice, I think."
Shakira sings? I'm too mesmerized by her abs.
Bonfire, have you seen the literal video for You're Beautiful? It cracks me up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOlI5Q...
I've nothing personal against Styx - I like a handful of their songs - but "Babe" needs to have its ticket punched.
Brutal, just brutal...
Brutal, just brutal...

Second. Her voice is like nails on a chalkboard.

Hmmm, you wipe out the Beatles, you wipe out the entire British Invasion which pretty much wipes out all rock and pop which followed. You wipe out Dylan, you wipe out all folk rock, which leaves...yikes...Justin Beiber!
Maxine wrote: "Hmmm, you wipe out the Beatles, you wipe out the entire British Invasion which pretty much wipes out all rock and pop which followed. "
I've had a similar discussion with the lovely Sarah Pi, but I beg to differ. Granted, some members of the British Invasion were no more than mere Beatles apologists, but both the Stones and the Yardbirds took their cues from the blues instead of American trailblazers like Little Richard, Buddy Holly, and Chuck Berry like the Beatles did. The Kinks were more influenced by music hall and early rock and roll like Eddie Cochran and Gene Vincent.
As for wiping out both Dylan and folk, that what I like to call "a perfect world."
I've had a similar discussion with the lovely Sarah Pi, but I beg to differ. Granted, some members of the British Invasion were no more than mere Beatles apologists, but both the Stones and the Yardbirds took their cues from the blues instead of American trailblazers like Little Richard, Buddy Holly, and Chuck Berry like the Beatles did. The Kinks were more influenced by music hall and early rock and roll like Eddie Cochran and Gene Vincent.
As for wiping out both Dylan and folk, that what I like to call "a perfect world."

I've had a similar discussion with the lovely..."
Actually, I'm not saying later bands were influenced by the Beatles, (altho many were), I'm saying that, before the Beatles, British groups were virtually unknown on this side of the Atlantic and probably would have remained so. After the success of the Beatles, record companies were falling all over themselves to sign up British bands. In fact, some bands, like the Zombies pretended to be British and Jimi Hendrix went to England to be discovered since the only gig he could get in the US was as opening band for the Monkees. Before the Beatles, music had become pure crap - Frankie Avalon, Fabian, hell, even Tony Bennet - in fact, other than surfer music, Motown, and girl groups, there was very little worth listening to on the radio and I would argue that, without the Beatles, rock would have gone the way of the dodo.
I will admit that I never listen to the Beatles and I do believe their music is outdated but I don't question their importance. To do so is like saying the US is a great nation but the founding fathers were overrated. Let's face it, George Washington would look pretty silly today with his powdered wig and knee britches.
As for Dylan, he gave us some pretty damn good songs like All Along the Watchtower. He also proved that good looks and a pretty face do not have to be the criteria for great musicianship (is that a word?). It was because of Dylan that Jimi Hendrix started his own career after Little Richard fired him. He also influenced many of the later punk and grunge groups.
So I stand by my earlier comment - without the Beatles and Dylan, we would now have only Justin Bieber ..oh, and, of course, C&W
P.S. I saw the Yardbirds in concert - they were a great band

I'm just saying.
Maxine wrote: "P.S. I saw the Yardbirds in concert - they were a great band "
Original band (if so, who was on guitar?) or reunion tour? Regardless, I'm jealous.
"I would argue that, without the Beatles, rock would have gone the way of the dodo.
I think we're headed down that path as we speak. Oh well, I've got my memories.
Original band (if so, who was on guitar?) or reunion tour? Regardless, I'm jealous.
"I would argue that, without the Beatles, rock would have gone the way of the dodo.
I think we're headed down that path as we speak. Oh well, I've got my memories.

Devo=amazing wrote: "I would erase
Johnny Cash
Journey
Elvis
just my personal opinion though"
I could do without the Rick Rubinization of Johnny Cash, but I love the stuff he recorded at Sun.
Elvis as the salacious rockabilly cat - yay. Elvis in Hollywood - nay.
Johnny Cash
Journey
Elvis
just my personal opinion though"
I could do without the Rick Rubinization of Johnny Cash, but I love the stuff he recorded at Sun.
Elvis as the salacious rockabilly cat - yay. Elvis in Hollywood - nay.
Barb wrote: "*thinks it would be easier for Clark to list bands he CAN tolerate*"
Shall I?
Shall I?
Carol wrote: "Please do!"
The Who, Aerosmith, AC/DC, Stiff Little Fingers, Devo, Josie Cotton, The Rolling Stones, Keith Richards & The X-Pensive Winos, Johnny Thunders & The Heartbreakers, early Tom Petty, The Clash, Katrina & The Waves, The Godfathers, Nick Lowe, Dave Edmunds, early U2, Montrose, Bachman-Turner Overdrive, Nazareth, David Bowie, Little Richard, Chuck Berry, Bo Diddley, Eddie Cochran, Sex Pistols, Siouxsie & The Banshees, T. Rex, Mott the Hoople, Shadows of Knight, ? and the Mysterians, Frankie Miller Band, Bob Seger, MC5, The Stooges, Beastie Boys, Eminem, Kid Rock, Emerson Lake & Palmer, Eddie & The Hot Rods, Material Issue, Social Distortion, Kiss, The Bangles, Alice Cooper, Brownsville Station, Grand Funk Railroad, Foghat, early Neil Diamond, Journey, Elvis Presley, most any and all Motown, Ted Hawkins, Freddy Lynxx & The Jet Boys, Hanoi Rocks, Lime Spiders, Cinderella, Crowded House, Split Enz, Skyhooks, Radio Birdman, Rush, The Guess Who, Forgotten Rebels, The Ronettes, Eddie Money, Jerry Lee Lewis, Wanda Jackson, Wreckless Eric, early Elvis Costello, Ian Dury & The Blockheads, Roxy Music, The Motors, The Velvet Underground, The Romantics, The Records, The Detroit Cobras, The Paybacks, Mitch Ryder & The Detroit Wheels, Dead Boys, Ramones, The Boomtown Rats, The Police, Joe Jackson, Squeeze, Bob Marley & The Wailers, The Yardbirds, Faces, Rod Stewart, Nomads, The Hellacopters, The Wildhearts, Backyard Babies, Bruce Springsteen, Willie Nile, New York Dolls, Syl Sylvain & The Teardrops, The Psychedelic Furs, Sparks, Gary Glitter, Joan Jett & The Blackhearts, The Runaways, The Kinks, The Professionals, Celibate Rifles, Generation X, The Cramps, Damned, The Replacements, 999, Rory Gallagher, Thin Lizzy, The Jesus and Mary Chain, Dick Dale, The Ventures, The Jam, The Blasters, The Alarm, The Only Ones, X, X-Ray Spex, Angel City, Georgia Satellites, Jason and the Scorchers, Ian Hunter, The Sensational Alex Harvey Band, Television, Lou Reed, Black Sabbath, Blue Oyster Cult, Buzzcocks, Robyn Hitchcock, Julian Cope, Nils Lofgren, The Skids, Buckcherry, Junk Monkeys, Bazooka Jones, Martin Gordon, Roky Erickson, Agent Orange, Alien Sex Fiend, Sisters of Mercy, Bauhaus, Jeff Beck, Be-Bop Deluxe, The English Beat, Madness, Bad Manners, Bodeans, Billy Bragg, Captain Beefheart, Hank Williams, Dwight Yoakam, The Yum Yums, Toy Dolls, The Undertones, The Waterboys, The Vibrators, Gary U.S. Bonds, Van Halen, Van Morrison, The Misfits, Graham Parker & The Rumour, Dr. Feelgood, The Dream Syndicate, early Steve Earle, Buddy Holly, Gang of Four, The Amboy Dukes, CCR, Cheap Trick, Lucinda Williams, Beat Farmers, Tinted Windows, Angry Samoans, Any Trouble, Chet Atkins, Joy Division, Rancid, Slade, The Smithereens, The Specials, The Sonics, Motorhead, Bill Monroe, Sweet, Rachel Sweet, Matthew Sweet, George Thorogood & The Destroyers, ZZ Top, The Outlaws, The Headboys, The Go Go's, Del McCoury, Tammy Wynette, Los Lobos, Chris Isaak, Shoes, Mi-Sex, Iron City Houserockers, Insect Surfers, The Zombies, 13th Floor Elevators, Accept, Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow, Deep Purple, Uriah Heep, Zodiac Mindwarp & The Love Reaction, The Knack, The Dickies, Roy Orbison, Ohio Players, Was (Not Was), UB40, Peter Tosh, Lee "Scratch" Perry, Pink Floyd, Queen, Rich Kids, Humble Pie, Greg Kihn, Scandal, New Christs, DM3, The Saints, …ad nauseum.
The Who, Aerosmith, AC/DC, Stiff Little Fingers, Devo, Josie Cotton, The Rolling Stones, Keith Richards & The X-Pensive Winos, Johnny Thunders & The Heartbreakers, early Tom Petty, The Clash, Katrina & The Waves, The Godfathers, Nick Lowe, Dave Edmunds, early U2, Montrose, Bachman-Turner Overdrive, Nazareth, David Bowie, Little Richard, Chuck Berry, Bo Diddley, Eddie Cochran, Sex Pistols, Siouxsie & The Banshees, T. Rex, Mott the Hoople, Shadows of Knight, ? and the Mysterians, Frankie Miller Band, Bob Seger, MC5, The Stooges, Beastie Boys, Eminem, Kid Rock, Emerson Lake & Palmer, Eddie & The Hot Rods, Material Issue, Social Distortion, Kiss, The Bangles, Alice Cooper, Brownsville Station, Grand Funk Railroad, Foghat, early Neil Diamond, Journey, Elvis Presley, most any and all Motown, Ted Hawkins, Freddy Lynxx & The Jet Boys, Hanoi Rocks, Lime Spiders, Cinderella, Crowded House, Split Enz, Skyhooks, Radio Birdman, Rush, The Guess Who, Forgotten Rebels, The Ronettes, Eddie Money, Jerry Lee Lewis, Wanda Jackson, Wreckless Eric, early Elvis Costello, Ian Dury & The Blockheads, Roxy Music, The Motors, The Velvet Underground, The Romantics, The Records, The Detroit Cobras, The Paybacks, Mitch Ryder & The Detroit Wheels, Dead Boys, Ramones, The Boomtown Rats, The Police, Joe Jackson, Squeeze, Bob Marley & The Wailers, The Yardbirds, Faces, Rod Stewart, Nomads, The Hellacopters, The Wildhearts, Backyard Babies, Bruce Springsteen, Willie Nile, New York Dolls, Syl Sylvain & The Teardrops, The Psychedelic Furs, Sparks, Gary Glitter, Joan Jett & The Blackhearts, The Runaways, The Kinks, The Professionals, Celibate Rifles, Generation X, The Cramps, Damned, The Replacements, 999, Rory Gallagher, Thin Lizzy, The Jesus and Mary Chain, Dick Dale, The Ventures, The Jam, The Blasters, The Alarm, The Only Ones, X, X-Ray Spex, Angel City, Georgia Satellites, Jason and the Scorchers, Ian Hunter, The Sensational Alex Harvey Band, Television, Lou Reed, Black Sabbath, Blue Oyster Cult, Buzzcocks, Robyn Hitchcock, Julian Cope, Nils Lofgren, The Skids, Buckcherry, Junk Monkeys, Bazooka Jones, Martin Gordon, Roky Erickson, Agent Orange, Alien Sex Fiend, Sisters of Mercy, Bauhaus, Jeff Beck, Be-Bop Deluxe, The English Beat, Madness, Bad Manners, Bodeans, Billy Bragg, Captain Beefheart, Hank Williams, Dwight Yoakam, The Yum Yums, Toy Dolls, The Undertones, The Waterboys, The Vibrators, Gary U.S. Bonds, Van Halen, Van Morrison, The Misfits, Graham Parker & The Rumour, Dr. Feelgood, The Dream Syndicate, early Steve Earle, Buddy Holly, Gang of Four, The Amboy Dukes, CCR, Cheap Trick, Lucinda Williams, Beat Farmers, Tinted Windows, Angry Samoans, Any Trouble, Chet Atkins, Joy Division, Rancid, Slade, The Smithereens, The Specials, The Sonics, Motorhead, Bill Monroe, Sweet, Rachel Sweet, Matthew Sweet, George Thorogood & The Destroyers, ZZ Top, The Outlaws, The Headboys, The Go Go's, Del McCoury, Tammy Wynette, Los Lobos, Chris Isaak, Shoes, Mi-Sex, Iron City Houserockers, Insect Surfers, The Zombies, 13th Floor Elevators, Accept, Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow, Deep Purple, Uriah Heep, Zodiac Mindwarp & The Love Reaction, The Knack, The Dickies, Roy Orbison, Ohio Players, Was (Not Was), UB40, Peter Tosh, Lee "Scratch" Perry, Pink Floyd, Queen, Rich Kids, Humble Pie, Greg Kihn, Scandal, New Christs, DM3, The Saints, …ad nauseum.

Also-really dislike Silly Love Songs by McCartney and Wings

By the way, by the time I saw the Yardbirds, only two of the originals were still with them. They were still great. I have seen Jeff Beck solo and Eric Clapton with Derek and the Dominos, both in Detroit - nothing like the Motor City for great music. Never seen Jimmy Paige but I hate Led Zeppelin so no big loss.
Maxine wrote: "What, The Detroit Cobras (love them by the way) but no Fleshtones, Joy Division and Gang of Four but not the Pixies, CCR but hate Dylan, the Ventures but not Link Wray,and, really, Cinderella - you..."
I couldn't think of everything, Maxine. I still would've been typing that list. Link Wray was an oversight. I love him. Pretty damn good picker for a guy with only one lung.
Never had much use for the Pixies outside of "Head On" and "Here Comes Your Man." Plus, they inspired Nirvana. For that alone, they deserve to fry. And no, I'm not being ironic with Cinderella. Listen to "Gypsy Road" and tell me that dood doesn't sound like Brian Johnston.
Zep? I like 'em but after forty-two years of listening to them, I grow weary.
Dylan? Don't get me started.
I couldn't think of everything, Maxine. I still would've been typing that list. Link Wray was an oversight. I love him. Pretty damn good picker for a guy with only one lung.
Never had much use for the Pixies outside of "Head On" and "Here Comes Your Man." Plus, they inspired Nirvana. For that alone, they deserve to fry. And no, I'm not being ironic with Cinderella. Listen to "Gypsy Road" and tell me that dood doesn't sound like Brian Johnston.
Zep? I like 'em but after forty-two years of listening to them, I grow weary.
Dylan? Don't get me started.

THANK ZEUS for fast-forward on the DVR!!!

Also-really dislike Silly Love Songs by McCartney and Wings"
I kept trying to think of what songs I would eliminate, and I was having a hard time finding one I despised enough to wish out of existence entirely. But my mind has been jogged: EVERYTHING BY WINGS. EVER.

Ha! I did that too, for the same person. I just couldn't take it.

I'd have to say that your reason to hate pixies is flawed. Yes they influenced Nirvana as did the Raincoats Gang of Four,Minor Threat Black Flag and a million other bands.
I read some of your old posts and I'm kinda confused, you stated that you hate Emo..what emo? if you mean like Husker Du and Rights of Spring then you make me sad. If you mean bands like MCR and the Used etc then you are confused.They are not emo, they actually fall under the category of pop Punk( some go as bold as to call them pop Hardcore I would have to argue that point though). As for Cinderella they are terrible plain in simple,
I mean that is my opinion ,music is subjective after all,but honestly they never wrote anything that is worthwhile or relevant.

Devo=amazing wrote: "I mean that is my opinion ,music is subjective after all,but honestly they never wrote anything that is worthwhile or relevant."
It all depends on your definitions of "worthwhile" and "relevant." Worthwhile to whom and relevant to what? You may trumpet the relevance and worthiness of Dylan or the Beatles from atop a mountain somewhere but if I never hear another note from either, I'm just fine with that. They are neither relevant or worthwhile to ME.
As for my reason to hate the Pixies being flawed well, it works for me. Sorry to disappoint, but I've never been able to grasp or embrace the "Cobain as genius" cult. He was a schmuck and a coward and he put the "belly" in "bellyache." But if self-loathing, despair, and inner torment turn your crank, then step right up and have at it.
It's always puzzled me why grunge "broke" at a time when so many underground bands were emulating early-70's hard rock moves. If grunge equaled Black Sabbath, then did anything really change?
But Mudhoney's "Touch Me I'm Sick" is pretty OK.
It all depends on your definitions of "worthwhile" and "relevant." Worthwhile to whom and relevant to what? You may trumpet the relevance and worthiness of Dylan or the Beatles from atop a mountain somewhere but if I never hear another note from either, I'm just fine with that. They are neither relevant or worthwhile to ME.
As for my reason to hate the Pixies being flawed well, it works for me. Sorry to disappoint, but I've never been able to grasp or embrace the "Cobain as genius" cult. He was a schmuck and a coward and he put the "belly" in "bellyache." But if self-loathing, despair, and inner torment turn your crank, then step right up and have at it.
It's always puzzled me why grunge "broke" at a time when so many underground bands were emulating early-70's hard rock moves. If grunge equaled Black Sabbath, then did anything really change?
But Mudhoney's "Touch Me I'm Sick" is pretty OK.

Also anything by Bieber is a must, and 'Price Tag' by Jessie J; not that I have anything against the girl or her ridiculous lip attire, but if I hear "you ready???" sung one more time I vow to whack my head off the radio. In fact, while I'm at it, why don't I just set fire to hiphop, r'n'b, white suburban rap, tween pop, and the whole emo subculture thing... oh God how I miss the 80s (not that I was even around at the time, but I have a vinyl collection to rival most adults *cough cough*) xD

It all depends on your definitions of "worth..."
First of all "Grunge" as a genre does not exist. It was an umbrella term used by music magazines and corporations that were to lazy to go out learn about the music they were selling.
Having lived through that period as a young teen I can say( and this is just how I saw it) That I started to listen to it due to fact that I was tired of the generation before me listening to bands that didn't speak for me in anyway. I wasn't misogynistic and didn't think life was just about drinking and doing drugs.
Thanks to that time I not only found good punk but also the DIY attitude. That eventually lead me to start up my own record shop(I ran it for a almsot ten years). So did it change the world maybe not (music vary rarely does). Did it help kids see that you didn't have to be a stooge to record industry? Yes it did, so that is a good enough reason to at least respect that era.
Also I would like to point out to Sarah, That Emo has been a side of hardcore for nearly 30 years. It has spawned some amazing bands and great songs. Some of the best of the 80's.
Devo=amazing wrote: "That eventually lead me to start up my own record shop(I ran it for a almsot ten years)."
How was life in the trenches? Hopefully there was a happy ending (?).
How was life in the trenches? Hopefully there was a happy ending (?).

Also anything by Bieber is a must, and 'Price Tag' by Jessie J; not that I have anything against the..."
Welcome, Sarah. Even if you did insult cocker spaniels ;)

If a kid came in to the shop looking for Nirvana I would usually tell them to check out the Germs 9 times out of 10 they woud get the same look I had the first time I first heard them. Stuff like that makes my day.
Also talking about and arguing about music all day long was a great plus. :)
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