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haharoberts rules rule
they are the only thing that makes serving on a committee bearable
especially if the chair is an enlightened one as our dear deb will surely be
and i think black russians are on the agenda post conference
does anyone second?
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it's not as dense as it looks deb don't despairbasically you call the meeting to order (everyone shut up and listen, please)
i assume there are no "minutes" to be read from the previous conference
pass out the agenda and/or have someone read it
begin at point one
ask if anyone wants to make a motion
ex: i make a motion that we appoint so and so to do such and such
you ask if there is any discussion
and/or if anyone seconds the motion
someone seconds or everyone tries to discuss at once
and you tell them to shut up (come to order) and you pick who speaks, allowing everyone who wishes to speak on the issue a turn unless you have a time constraint, then you tell them to shut up (come to order)
someone may wish to amend the motion
you ask for discussion on the amendment
you ask "does anyone second the motion and/or amendment"
someone will say I second the motion
if they don't-more discussion
if they do
you say let's vote on the motion
"all in favor" they raise hands
secretary counts hands
"all opposed"
secretary counts hands
you say motion passed or motion denied
you do that thro each agenda item
it goes pretty smoothly if people understand the process and they usually get it quickly if they don't know it
and it helps to get a copy of roberts rules of order for parlimentary proceedings
i may have missed something here but i'm sure there's someone who can correct me
also, it's a little less formal in practice than in the book
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Back to the anthems...I was watching a NZ team sing our anthem prior to a game (hockey or soccer) and was mortified to see at least three of them mouthing what were obviously the wrong words...."how embarrassing", I thought to myself....until I realised they were singing the right words...in Maori! It is an official language here of course, so.......but confusing for other people who might think they were just pig-ignorant!
hahayah-americans don't bother in any language
they generally just pump their fists in the air and whoop like they're heading off to scalp some indians
everybody says it's too difficult to remember the lyrics but that's just an excuse
there aren't that many words for god's sake can't we remember what order they belong in
i mean take an hour or two out of your busy training schedule...please
it's the world stage for god's sake
"Oh, say, can you see, by the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hail'd at the twilight's last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars, thro' the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watch'd, were so gallantly streaming?
And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof thro' the night that our flag was still there.
O say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?
On the shore dimly seen thro' the mists of the deep,
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In full glory reflected, now shines on the stream:
'T is the star-spangled banner: O, long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!"
And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion
A home and a country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash'd out their foul footsteps' pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
O, thus be it ever when freemen shall stand,
Between their lov'd homes and the war's desolation;
Blest with vict'ry and peace, may the heav'n-rescued land
Praise the Pow'r that hath made and preserv'd us as a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause. it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust"
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
The bolded part is the part that is generally played. And I am not promoting nationalism, just good form. :)
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God of Nations at thy feet
In the bonds of love we meet
Hear our voices we entreat
God defend our free land
Guard Pacific's triple star
From the shafts of strife and war
Make her praises heard afar
God defend New Zealand.
( E Ihoa Atua,
O nga Iwi! Matoura,
Ata whakarongona;
Me aroha roa.
Kia hua ko te pai;
Kia tau to atawhai;
Manaakitia mai
Aotearoa.)
Well, since we seem to be on a bit of an anthem spree here... Here's my patriotic contribution:O Canada!
Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons command.
With glowing hearts, we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!
From far and wide, O Canada!
We stand on guard for thee.
God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
(O Canada!
Where pines and maples grow,
Great prairies spread and Lordly rivers flow!
How dear to us thy broad domain,
From East to Western sea!
The land of hope for all who toil,
The True North strong and free!
God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.)
*This verse isn't actually part of the official national anthem, but I really like it so I included it anyway!
And, mais bien sûr, en français:
Ô Canada !
Terre de nos aïeux,
Ton front est ceint de fleurons glorieux !
Car ton bras sait porter l'épée,
Il sait porter la croix !
Ton histoire est une épopée
Des plus brillants exploits.
Et ta valeur, de foi trempée,
Protégera nos foyers et nos droits ;
Protégera nos foyers et nos droits.
And, I wasn't even aware that we had an Inuktitut version of the national anthem (until I started looking for the French lyrics a few minutes ago), but... apparently we do!
Uu Kanata!
Nangmini nunavut!
Piqujatii nalattiaqpavut.
Angiglivalliajuti,
Sanngijulutillu.
Nangiqpugu, Uu Kanata
Mianiripluti.
Uu Kanata! nunatsia!
Nangiqpugu mianiripluti,
Uu Kanata, salagijauquna!
I must admit, Canada's has always been my favorite national anthem. I love hearing it before NHL games! I'm sure I'm not alone as an American who is not a fan of the Star-Spangled Banner. I've taken flak for that much of my life, as I am from Frederick, Maryland, birthplace and burial place of Francis Scott Key. It's just not a NICE sounding anthem.
This is the literal English translation of the first two stanzas of the Greek National Anthem The Hymn to Freedom by Dionysios SolomosI recognize you from the awesome
edge of your sword
I recognize you from the countenance
which surveys the earth with force
Risen from the sacred bones
of the Greeks
and, valiant as before,
hail, oh hail, liberty!
There is another translation of this poem by Rudyard Kipling but in my opinion it doesn't capture the sturdiness and ferocity of the original greek text written right after the Missalonghi exodus. Needless to say singing of sword edges and the rising of freedom from the sacred bones tend to give one the shivers.
Ton histoire est une épopée
Des plus brillants exploits.
spoken like a true quebecois ! :)
i grew up in northern maine
i love
oh can a da
my son's freshman trip was to montreal and quebec
i have some crazy acadian river rat friends in the gaspe
and used to work for a company that did a trip to the kujuiak river in nunavit that ended in iqaluit so the innuit was cool to see as well
although i think they are saying
oh canada, let's go down to dc and get our mother rock back (google-innuit meteor transported to the smithsonian)
either that or lets eat blubber and watch the polar bears chase the tourists
new zealand's much easier to memorize i'll admit and how about those greeks
The Bavarian, if you like:"Gott mit Dir, Du Land der Bayern,
deutsche Erde, Vaterland!
Über Deinen weiten Gauen
ruhe seine Segenshand!
Er behüte Deine Fluren,
schirme Deiner Städte Bau,
und erhalte Dir die Farben
Seines Himmels, weiß und blau!
...
(and perhaps the most important line:)
...
die der Menschen heilig´Recht
treu beschützen und bewahren
von Geschlechte zu Geschlecht.
IF somebody should be interested, I´ll provide a translation.
Best, Peter
I like the Canadian one...
hint on the inuit meteor (because i couldn't find it with the search terms i gave)Robert Peary
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heeheei know
i was just trying to call prabha out for the indonesian anthemn
is she about at all?
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- doesn't love us any more
- lurking, not posting
I might contact her and try to draw her back.....what siren song shall I sing?
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not totally language related but until someone comes up with another language bit we oughta knowand related to this thread
what do the symbols on your flag mean?
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NE....come down here honey and I'll show you the Southern Cross!!!
why debbie dear are you coming to the ball as mae west? ;)
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I hadn't thought of Mae West moe, but now you have me thinking.......I shall vampily descend a staircase wrapped in a feather boa and snarl out of the side of vermilion pouty lips, "A hard man is good to find honey".
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We also used it as a noun at times: "Billy ate all the cookies, the glom!" (Billy being my older brother, who was the glom to end all gloms.)
Brazil:Ouviram do Ipiranga as margens plácidas
De um povo heróico o brado retumbante,
E o sol da Liberdade, em raios fúlgidos,
Brilhou no céu da Pátria nesse instante.
Se o penhor dessa igualdade
Conseguimos conquistar com braço forte,
Em teu seio, ó Liberdade,
Desafia o nosso peito a própria morte!
Ó Pátria amada,
Idolatrada,
Salve! Salve!
Translation:
The tranquil banks of the Ipiranga
Heard the resounding cry of a heroic people
And the sun of Liberty, in brilliant light
Shone in the Fatherland's sky at that moment.
If we were able, with strong arms,
To conquer the prize of this equality,
In your bosom, o Freedom,
Our chests defy death itself.
Oh beloved Fatherland,
Idolized,
Hurrah! Hurrah!
The translation is inexact. The Portuguese is in a very high-falutin' register. Most Brazilians probably don't understand all of it.
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Bunny -- "glom" is not in my dictionary. Do you own an OED?
it's late deblike me
but
hahahahahahahahahaha
ok-going to go getrush hour III
to amuse myself and the giant person across the room
who i asked to watch a movie with me
otherwise known as #1 son
#2 alas is far away
so-guys flick tonight
we glommed onto things toobut it usually was used more in a he glommed onto me and i couldn't get rid of him
i don't remember it in relation to food
more unwanted attention or presence
or even unwanted physical affection
irish new england?
what does the oed say marco?
heymalaysian, not indonesian.
yes, we're neighbours. but i have no clue what the indonesian anthem is.
malaysia has 14 states, and each has a state anthem. i have lived in 3 of them, and can remember the lyrics and tune of each of these. all in malay
malaysian natonal anthem (pronounce each syllable phonetically and you cant go wrong - malay is really easy to read as there are virtually no exceptions to the phonetic rules of pronunciation:
Negara ku
Tanah tumpahnya darahku
Rakyat hidup
Bersatu dan maju
Rahmat bahagia
Tuhan kurniakan
Raja kita
Selamat bertahta
unofficial eng translation:
My country
my blood flows in your soil
your people live in harmony
and progress
may God ever shower His grace upon our land
and our King
PS thanks for all you lovely wishes and thoughts
xxx
lovely anthemn i think it's my favorite
and so nice to see you
sorry about relocating you
i realized it after ne's post and wrote a witty correction that disappeared because my battery was low
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I still distrust nationalism and religion as sources of most of our woes. See Georgia/Russia for latest manifestation. Do anthems and flags (etc.) feed into this?
I'd never heard of glom beforehttp://www.thefreedictionary.com/glom
It says it comes from scots, which is interesting. Do you have scottish ancestors?
I'd heard of a bonamh though(/boniff).
How do we have a world anthem without offending anyone? The french, american and irish anthems are about killing the english, and if it refers to anything at all someone will be upset (I'd imagine there could be a diplomatic incident over using the word freedom for example).
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Speaking of the Olympics, last night was huge for Malaysians - Badminton finals, singles (men). Unfortunately, our chap lost to China.The pain of coming in second when your country's hopes for gold are pinned you... it was so clearly etched on his face.
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yes nationalism is a bit of a plagueyes i think songs, flags etc. feed into it but then again love for the land of one's birth or childhood is a universal human emotion
i like other places i've been
but i love maine
i have all these character traits which may or may not be "better" than other people's traits
but i think they are better because they are mine and come from the place that was my childhood home
i feel out of place living other places
and there is always the longing and always the nostalgia and always a slight dis-ease
it was much more pronounced when i lived in the south
but is present even in places i like and even though i don't think i would ever choose to live in maine permanently (i don't think i can take the winters anymore)
and i feel an instant kinship with my fellow mainiacs or fellow irish or fellow americans etc.
the trick is to build bridges
to gain understanding and appreciation
and then of course we can't control political motivations which lead to the excess of nationalism
despots exploit whatever they can, not necessarily just nationalism
I always find it funny when you watch american vs canadian hockey games. When the canadian national anthem is played, the entire team and every canadian in the audience is just singing their heart out. But when the american anthem is played it's like dead quiet and everyone looks so solemn...Not that there's a right and wrong way to listen to the national anthem but canadians just seem to have so much more fun with it.
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ooooohhhhhh can a daaaaahhhcanadians are way more fun
and you did say hockey-of course the canadians are going to be on their feet, hootin, hollerin, singin and waving their arms in the air
it's against the law and an offense likely to get you excommunicated to be blase about hockey in canada
pleeeezzzee
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if you make it to the olympics and especially if you are a podium stander contender
shouldn't one know the lyrics to one's national anthem?
so what do you all think
are there social, public or formal occasions that require one to "study up" for the event?