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I don't!! Jacob is not my favorite character, but I like every thing that she did with him. I liked how he was happier at the end, it would of been dumb if he wouldn't of imprinted.
ok, but it was sooo predictable that he did imprint! and besides it was one thing if he was happy but w/ Bellas kid? seriously? can u say creepy....
Jacob imprinting on Bella's kid was one of the worst parts of the story for me. He had grown up SO much and become such a cool character and she took it all away from him in one sentence. Awful.
I agree, Shannon. Jacob really was turned into a negative, whimpy character. I so wish he hadn't been turned that way...
Agreed. She took one of the few decent characters and mangled him pretty badly. I suspect both to 1.) Make Bella's choice that much more easier/obvious and 2.)get the easiest happy ending possible.
I loved it all. I thought it was the best book of all of them. I was surprised and thrilled, because the other three books were way too draumatic and glorified unhealthy relationships.... and that just kind of killed them for me. This book was all just so happy. I thought it was weird about Jacob imprinting on Renesmee, but to be honest, I had a harder time with the fact that her name was Renesmee. That was the only part I hated in the whole book :P
lol. I hated Renesmee's name, too. I thought it was weird that Edward had no choice in the name.
One thing I don't like is how people are happy for Jake now cuz he can get over Bella. You know how Jake can get over Bella? By Bella leaving him the heck alone. Oh and by the way as soon as she died he was over her -- she was dead to him -- literally and figuratively. And that's how it should be. [I imagine in my mind he walked down the stairs, didn't look at the IT, and walked right out the door to a better life]Jake shouldn't be a supporting figure in Bella's life, he should be the main figure in his own. And he freaking CAN be happy without some sort of Cullen love figure. Sheesh, people (and SM).
I keep on reading comments about expecting Bella to make a choice between Jacob and Edward in Breaking Dawn. I don't see how people could have finished Eclipse thinking she didn't already make her choice, say goodbye and get on with her life. She left him alone, but then he came back to the wedding and then he came to the house to see if she was a vampire. He couldn't leave her alone, he couldn't get over her. He wasn't over her when he she died either. He was so upset about it that he was going to attack the baby and then die. If he didn't see her and imprint he would have died. How could he have "gotten over her" then? I don't know if he could have without imprinting. Look at Leah and the conversation he had with her, has she gotten over it? He was planning on going wolf to deal with it. So realistically (for a fiction book) he could be unhappy wolfing his days away, or imprint. What would the Jacob fans want to happen?
This Jacob fan would have liked for Jacob to imprint on some nice girl from the rez up visiting her grandma in La Push. If we're having happy endings all the way around, that'd work. Or, if you don't want things all tied up nicely, I could have lived with Jacob running wolf-like up to Canada and we arent sure what happens. People might not like that option, but it would be better than going all FLDS and imprinting on a baby-regardless of who the mom is?
Agree - the name was tragic.
On her site SM mentioned that editors at Little Brown wanted to see more Jacob, so she started his storyline (went back and added a few details to Twilight and then let it really run in the next two books). The whole werewolf thing wasn't even a storyline in Twilight. Since BD was written prior to New Moon and Eclipse, I think she had to then go back and add in some Jacob storyline. It would be interesting to know if she even had Jacob, imprinting, and werewolves in her original Forever Dawn. It really seems like she had a sudden case of "oh, crap, I've made this character but have no idea what to do with him".
Sarah, how does anyone ever really get over someone they loved? By going through the grief cycle. Yeah he still loved her and a small part of him always would - but people lose loved ones all the time and they learn to move on -- and (gasp) still be happy???!! I'm one of those people, so yeah, it happens; and yeah, it doesn't happen unless the two people cut off all contact. As a married woman it was Bella's duty to Edward to cut off contact. She was the one emotionall cheating on Edward. When you're married you don't hang out with your exes. NOt cool. Jake was doing the best he could . . . and he could have done very well for himself if she'd left him the heck alone. He only went to the wedding to say congrats and goodbye - or to the house because he just wanted to see if she was dead or not. Not cuz he wanted to make out with her. And I wouldn't have minded if he imprinted on another girl -- as long as Jake was away from the Cullens. Oh and all this crap about Jake not being happy without a girl in his life -- says who? He's still a teenager - sheesh.
No one ever said he wanted to make out with her by going to see her. Anyway, I agree he wouldn't be getting over her by hanging out at the Cullen's house. It was both him not wanting to stay away and Bella liking his company. The girl was practically on her death bed you can't blame her for wanting people she cared about to be near. If he had left the house instead of planning to kill the baby, yes, eventually he would have gotten over her sooner or later. I wonder if it would have taken longer in his wolf form to escape the grief and pain or if he stayed human to face it. If he went wolf for a while, once he came out would he still have to face it? Yes, he is only a teenager and a lot of maturing happens after that age so hopefully that would put some perspective on it too.
"He was funHe was independent..."
Kristine,
I agree with everything you said. For me, the things that you mentioned were what made Jacob such a GREAT character in the series. He was the most real of all of the characters.
What Breaking Dawn did to Jacob was...so upsetting.
I agree with you Sarah, the only thing is that Bella more than just wanted to "surround herself with people she cared about while dying" -- she was planning on naming her son after him. What husband would be ok with that?! It was Bella who was refusing to cut the strings. Jacob could have just as easily left and never returned as well -- so both are at fault. The thing is I would have liked the pack to stay in some kind of protective alliance with the cullens -- but from a distance. That way they could have kept their independence without the (gag) imprinting . . .
wait a sec. Bella waz gonna name here son jacob?! in the book it said sumthin like "EJ": it was gonna b named edward i thot...
She was going to name it Edward Jacob.
wow...another retarded name. jeez!
Yeah, at that point I was so hoping she'd have a girl. UNTIL, I heard the name she was going to give the girl-by comparison, EJ's not so bad.
I didn't like EJ either. And she should have named the girl after Edward's mother, Elizabeth. I get Meyer's reason for wanting a unique name for the unique kid, but still.
The problem with writing the last book first....The characters have no chance to evolve; they devolve, although the characters in the first three were better than in BD. SM needs to take more classes in writing or fire her editor.
well the collage she got her 'degree' from is a crap school anyways. Brigham Young is such a sucky school... so its not really a 'shocker' i guess.
I thought she was going to name it Charlisle.Or something equally awful.
It doesn't matter but Jacob was a good character but was up with the whole Bella loving Jacob being around all the time...was that Renesme having an effect on her or..just her being careless about Edward and Jacob?
And to be honest i don't think it has anything to do with where she graduated.
Nessie's middle name is Carlie. I do think that Renesmee was sort-of pulling Jacob in. I don't think she was being careless. It seemed harsh during the whole pregnancy thing, but we found out why after the baby was born. And I don't think it matters where she graduated from either.
Ruby- Just for the record BYU isn't a crap school. It is ranked 79th out of all of the national universities in the country (http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandrev...)There is a link for you to check my facts.
It IS a Mormon school- meaning a private school funded by the LDS church. Students there do get a HUGE discount on tuition because general church tithing pays about 60-70% of ALL students (member of not) college tuition.
As someone who attended BOTH BYU and 25th ranked UMich- I can assure you that BYU is not a "Crap" school. Check out the admission requirements, the average standardized test scores and if you get a chance do some research on your own measuring up your state schools against your version of a "crappy" school.
Now I think SM is a pretty terrible writer- her prose makes me want to poke my eyes out. I read her books because the wish-fulfillment fantasy land was fun (as my other mid-20 year old friends said- it's beach read candy, nothing to change your life over). And it was that- it was fun (with the exception of my intense dislike and horror in regards to BD). Since you blame a college on a persons writing ability I am going to hazard a guess you have not yet gone to college. That isn't an insult- it is just that you don't LEARN stuff like this in college. Any liberal arts university is going to teach you liberal arts. Poor writing happens from lack of practice, not a poor college education. When you land your first job out of college, this will all make sense. Your degree will be one more hoop to jump through to ensure your success later. It might teach you some stuff you might use (I took away the ability to manipulate bureaucracy and fight my case. My education- an after thought. I have a degree I will never use, research I will never do again. But my degree- that is how I get a job in the field I love)
Anyways, take that for what it is.
@ Sarah, Jacob WOULD have gotten over Bella. It is possible to heal from a broken heart and fall in love with someone (without imprinting). People have been doing it since the beginning of time. He needed more time away from stupid Bella, that is all. Oh and he needed to do some growing up as well (because he is only 16, maybe 17 at the end of breaking dawn). BTW, why is it that everyone seems to think that Jacob couldn't fall in love or be happy without imprinting? Why is that the canon everyone can't let go of? I am baffled.
@ Kristine, I see your reasoning about having a permanent alliance with the wolf pack and the Cullens but the fact is, the wolf pack NEVER NEEDED THE CULLENS. It's the Cullens who need the wolf pack. The wolf pack was, in fact, better off without them around. If the Cullens had simply left soon after they arrived in Forks, or even never shown up, the pack wouldn't even exist (meaning: NO IMPRINTING! Harry Clearwater would still be alive...and so on).
BTW, Stephenie COULD have pulled off the same sort of alliance simply by having SETH imprint on the little monster. Either way, the pack would have protected Renesmee and the rest of the Cullens. She didn't need to take the book to a whole new level of weird/disgusting and have Jacob imprint on Renesmee. But whatever, maybe she's keeping Seth around so HE can imprint on future Renesmee/Jacob offspring.
How would Harry Clearwater be alive if the vampires weren't there? I thought he died from a heart attack.
Stephenie Meyer said herself that Harry died the exact same day that Leah and Seth phased. Yeah, Harry had heart problems but if Leah was showing the signs that her body was getting ready to phase (unbeknownst to her, of course) I'm pretty sure that may have pushed him over the edge, don't you? Or what if she just phased and THAT did it. Not to mention the fact that Seth was too young to join the pack. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that the phasing of one or both of his kids pushed him over the edge. THEY WOULDN'T HAVE PHASED EVER IF THE CULLENS HAD NEVER SHOWN UP IN FORKS. That's not to say that Harry wouldn't have died eventually but, yeah...Oh and please, don't grasp at straws and tell me that the cullens had already left at that point because the truth is, that crazy red-head vamipire wouldn't have been showing up (therefore causing Leah and Seth to phase). If it weren't for the Cullens (in the packs eyes), their lives would be just fine, thanks. No Sam disappearing for two weeks for no reason, no Sam imprinting on Emily, No Leah getting her heart broken, no Jacob phasing, no seth and leah phasing, NO PHASING WHATSOEVER! No imprinting on fetuses or small children, no broken hearts, NO NOTHING. So yeah, if I were Leah or whatever, I'd pretty much wish they'd never shown up.
The Cullens haven't done the pack any favors, whatsoever. It's their presence in Forks that has jacked things up for the Quileutes.
Great points, Penny. Now that you put it that way, I can see why Leah wouldn't like them. To be honest, all things considered, I really don't blame her. Not to say I feel the Cullens are evil, but that they seem to have really caused problems for the Quileutes.
Did Stephanie say that in the book or elsewhere? Anyway if all she said that it was the same day than we can question causality or it could have been a circle effect. Meaning, Harry could have recognized the signs of them possibly changing and it could have caused increased issues with blood pressure causing his heart attack. Jacob said that he didn't phase as soon as they thought he would because he didn't have any stresses to cause it. The heart attack would have been a very strong stress to cause both Seth and Leah to phase on the same day. In any case yes, the Cullens being in the area didn't help much. Anyway, what ever your point was I hadn't ever thought or heard if the connection between Harry's death and his kids phasing. Interesting.
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He was independent
He had a great sense of humor
He was immature (hello character development?)
He had great potential to be future leader of the pack
and now . . .
he's a simpering servant to the demands and wishes of certain Cullen members who reluctantly leads a split pack when he has time away from his "gravitational force" . . .