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THE NAME OF THE ROSE
Yes, I remember enough but not enough to write a review. so much to re-read.
Good morning.
Good morning.
Exactly. :)Is it still morning? I've got to stop getting up so early!
Went to Woodstock with the kids yesterday. Had a great time (not much reading though :))
Sonia wrote: "Yes, I remember enough but not enough to write a review. so much to re-read.Good morning."
My problem was that I had to read it for a university course and the professor really did not give us enough time to read the book. So for me, it is almost like reading it for the first time, because last time, I tried to speed read and that is not a good idea with this book. And good morning as well!! It's snowing where I live and looking like winter again.
I don't know which is worse-it's pouring here!
Ellie wrote: "Exactly. :)
Is it still morning? I've got to stop getting up so early!
Went to Woodstock with the kids yesterday. Had a great time (not much reading though :))"
Ellie, I love Woodstock. I lived in NY upstate for 15 years and loved those day trips. :)
Is it still morning? I've got to stop getting up so early!
Went to Woodstock with the kids yesterday. Had a great time (not much reading though :))"
Ellie, I love Woodstock. I lived in NY upstate for 15 years and loved those day trips. :)
Ellie wrote: "I don't know which is worse-it's pouring here!"I would consider pouring rain worse, I'd rather have snow, especially when it's supposed to be winter.
:) sorry but neither. I will be in Hawaii on the 3rd. When it rains it is warm. My old skin loves it.
I would love to reread this book. Now, I just have to find where it is!
I read this book at least 3 times and enjoyed it each time. Being brought up roman catholic and steeped in church history helped me understand the politics involved. I really enjoyed this one. have fun everyone.
I cannot wait until we start. Should be fun to read with others. Been many years since I found a group so interesting or interested.
We're all with you in spirit!I agree: the book definitely is effected (benefited?) by being a Catholic & knowing your church history (for better & worse-altho' it seems sometimes to be mostly worse) and so on..
Read this many years ago and looking forward to reading it again.
I'm going on the premise that each day is a chapter. Each day is about 60-70 pages, so that's about 30-35 pages a day.
Ellie wrote: "Have we started the read yet?"I think we start March 1st.
LOL. Not yet. I am starting on the 1st. No cheating. :)
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3/1 Prologue and First Day Prime
3/1-3/3 post discussions
3/3 First Day - Terce
3/3-3/5-post discussions
3/5 First Day- Sext
3/5-3-8 Post Discussions
and so on and so on....:>)
Robin wrote: "I will be reading another book, sorry."Are you going to be reading Wives and Daughters Robin? I am going to try both, that and some non-fiction I'm reading...I don't know how I'll manage this...I may have to call in sick haha
I tried reading the name of the rose awhile back. I may do what you are doing, but I am still reading Garden Spells. Who knows I may abandon Wives and Daughter and make it a different date. I think I am going to be swamped with reading in the near future. We are due a Spring Break in March, so I may do some catch up then.
Sorry kiddo but I have six staring at me right now...it would be nice to jump in the group though...let me kow when you start the next one
Rick wrote: "yep the first- and I am totally open to setting the schedule-if all agree3/1 Prologue and First Day Prime
3/1-3/3 post discussions
3/3 First Day - Terce
3/3-3/5-post discussions
3/5 First D..."
I know I shouldn't but I really want to-so I'm going to. Yay!
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3/1 Prologue and First Day Prime
3/1-3/3 post discussions
3/3 First Day - Terce
3/3-3/5-post discussions
3/5 ..."
wonderful! This will be a very "Multi-tasker Friendly" read!
I don't think I can read two tomes at the same time, or in one sitting. I need to concentrate on just one, sorry guys.
Robin wrote: "I will be reading another book, sorry."Where is the Wives & Daughters discussion. I had never heard of it until I looked it up from your comments, and, wow, that looks right up my alley. But, unfortunately at another time -- my plate is overflowing at the moment.
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Where is the Wives & Daughters discussion. I had never heard of it until I looked it up from your comments, and, wow, that looks right up my ..."
I set up Buddy Reads so that all members cans tart their own Read- byall mean - Start a Wives and Daughters buddyread! happy to help set it up- too much on plate with Name of Rose to partake- my my full support!!
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Robin- its only about 20 pages every 2-3 days- trying to keep it Reader friendly!
Okay, I started, who's got the reader's guide?????
I started too, but not sure how far to go with it. For those of us reading on an ereader, there are no chapters, only church time. Not sure if that is so in the regular book version.
Can I write a little synopsis here, and anyone can tell me if I'm wrong, because I'm a bit confused already. In 1968 the supposed writer found a manuscript by Abbe Vallett about Adson de Melt that he (the writer) was very excited about. In a breakup with his girlfriend, she ends up with manuscript and he's reluctant to ask for it back. He tries to do research on it in Paris to no avail. He then finds another manuscript in Argentina that refers to the original manuscript, so now he is going to write about it (I think). The writer speculates on how to present the story. The story starts. Adson de Melt (Adso?) is a young Benedictine monk assigned to accompany as his scribe, a Franciscan monk, Brother William de Baskerville (hah!), on a journey. (I don't know the relevant difference between Benedictines & Franciscans.) He then writes about what is going on in history at the time: the Pope's in Avignon (Pope John XXII, who is evil; two candidates for Holy Roman Emperor. Adso describes Bro. William, but of course we all know he looks like Sean Connery. They go to an unnamed Abbey. Bro. William does a Sherlockian thing with a horse that impresses everyone. Adso describes the layout of the Abbey with a large round tower probably older than the Abbey called the Aedificium. What have I missed or gotten wrong so far?
Susan wrote: "Can I write a little synopsis here, and anyone can tell me if I'm wrong, because I'm a bit confused already. In 1968 the supposed writer found a manuscript by Abbe Vallett about Adson de Melt that..."That's a great little synopsis Susan
Marialyce wrote: "I started too, but not sure how far to go with it. For those of us reading on an ereader, there are no chapters, only church time. Not sure if that is so in the regular book version."Me, too. I'm confused about how far to read.
Shay wrote: "Marialyce wrote: "I started too, but not sure how far to go with it. For those of us reading on an ereader, there are no chapters, only church time. Not sure if that is so in the regular book versi..."See Rick's post # 69.
Susan wrote: "Shay wrote: "Marialyce wrote: "I started too, but not sure how far to go with it. For those of us reading on an ereader, there are no chapters, only church time. Not sure if that is so in the regul..."I have an ebook copy and it's harder to find the sections in it. But thanks, I think I have it figured out.
I missed Rick's post, too use to having threads for individual chapters. Thanks!
The term Franciscan is commonly used to refer to members of Catholic religious orders that follow a body of regulations known as "The rule of St. Francis",http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/pgc.asp?p…
or a member of one of these orders. There are also small Old Catholic and Anglican Franciscan communities.
Benedictine refers to the spirituality and consecrated life in accordance with the Rule of St Benedict,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_St_…
written by Benedict of Nursia in the sixth century for the cenobitic communities he founded in central Italy. The most notable of these is Monte Cassino, the first monastery founded by Benedict around 529. Used as a noun, the term denotes their members, the Benedictines. By extension it is sometimes applied to other adherents of the Benedictine spirituality, for example, "Oblates (secular)".
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Marialyce wrote: "The term Franciscan is commonly used to refer to members of Catholic religious orders that follow a body of regulations known as "The rule of St. Francis",http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/pgc.asp?p…..."
Thanks, Marialyce. From my very cursory reading of this info, I am concluding that Benedictines (Adso) are considered to be more intellectual, and Franciscans (Bro. William) are more in to poverty and obedience.
I've read The Key to The Name of the Rose: Including Translations of All Non-English Passagesby Adele J. Haft, Jane G. White and Robert J. White. So I thought I'd introduce the guide in my first post. The authors all worked together in the Department of Oriental and Classical Studies at Hunter College in New York. Adele Haft is the translator. The preface states that Umberto Eco recommends this book as a model for those writing guides to The Name of the Rose in languages other than English.There is an authors' note stating that they discovered discrepancies in some dates. I'd characterize this as a polite way of saying that they think Eco made some mistakes. The way they indicate that it's a variant date is to provide Eco's date and a slash with the date normally used by historians following the slash. An example is the birth year of Saint Thomas Aquinas which they annotate as 1224/1225.
The introduction says that the detective William of Baskerville is a combination of Roger Bacon, William of Occam (also spelled Ockham) and Sherlock Holmes. He uses the logic of William of Occam and St. Thomas Aquinas in his investigation.
Of course all Sherlock Holmes fans know where Baskerville comes from. In addition, The Key authors point out that Adso, the novice who assists William of Baskerville is Adson in French. This rhymes with Watson.
That's part of why I fell in love with Baskerville!Is that Occam or Occam's Razor?
Yes, this is the Occam of Occam's Razor. Oddly enough The Key authors don't mention Occam's Razor in the brief biography of William of Occam that they provide. It's odd because Occam's Razor is how his name survives today.
Shomeret wrote: "Yes, this is the Occam of Occam's Razor. Oddly enough The Key authors don't mention Occam's Razor in the brief biography of William of Occam that they provide. It's odd because Occam's Razor is ho..."I wondered at that myself when I read the guide.
That's why I made the connection. Maybe they assumed? Which they should not, of course.
Thanks, Shomeret, for the background information. Please keep them coming. I don't know if any of you read Heresy, but I believe this book was its inspiration.Looking forward to this read together.
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Thanks everyone for all the background info. It really helps. I think that I need to brush up on my history of the period, especially of the church.
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