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Jace vs. Will
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Ryleigh
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Mar 12, 2011 09:37AM
Jace will always be my favorite even if Will does have a secret!
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Ya im really curious about the end of clockwork angel to... it would be sooo cute if will went to see magnus for something that had to do with Tessa!!! And I am a definitly JACE fan... but WillS still awesome!
Katherine wrote: "Ryleigh wrote: "Katherine wrote: "I'm thinking right now she belongs with Will..except soo much can change within another book..."Yes totally !!!! I just finished and they seem perfect But it c..."
I think it's something to do with Tessa ... I think Will might have an idea about who she is.... (but I'm just guessing)
No, personally I don't think she's a warlock. I mean she might be part warlock but I don't think she's fully warlock if that makes sense. I think she will be able to have kids. Pity that they only person who seems to have any idea who/what she is, is some crazed human who wants to marry her ... and utter creep to put it mildly.
Well she's something that lives for a long time. If I remember correctly Tessa made an appearance in I think it was CoG...
Yes she did, and as a teenage girl, so she hasn't aged. Idk I personally doubt she'll have kids...as she like, doesnt age past her teens. Plus it would be too weird if she ended up with Will, then became Jace's great great great grandmother or something.
I think she should end up with Jem .... I have to believe Cassie will find a cure for him. He cares about Tessa and understands how she feels ... in fact he's the only person who was really nice to her and wasn't trying to use her in some way or another. Second to Jace, Jem is my favorite guy. :D
Yeah I'm guessing Jem won't die. I feel like that'd be too...obvious somehow. And yeah, Jem is really sweet. Will gets a little tiring. Still..I can't help but love him.
Ha ha, I know what you mean ... I do love Will but sometimes the way he's so cruel can be upsetting.... I think he'll soften up though as the books progress ... and he does lead us to believe he cares about Jem's well-being ... like he was going to fight Gabriel Lightwood because of what he said about Jem.
Yeah I love Will and Jem's relationship, it's really sweet. Still...I can't help but wonder if the reason Jem is the one person Will lets himself get close to, is because he's the person expected not to live.
Katherine wrote: "Yes she did, and as a teenage girl, so she hasn't aged. Idk I personally doubt she'll have kids...as she like, doesnt age past her teens. Plus it would be too weird if she ended up with Will, then ..."Wait I dont remember anyone in City of Glass named Tessa ??
Katherine wrote: "Yeah I love Will and Jem's relationship, it's really sweet. Still...I can't help but wonder if the reason Jem is the one person Will lets himself get close to, is because he's the person expected n..."Dont say that ! Jem is so sweet he cant die !
Ryleigh wrote: "Wait I dont remember anyone in City of Glass named Tessa ??"because it was in clary's POV (I think) and she only saw her from far away, so she didnt know her name.
Yeah at the end of CoG, Clary saw Magnus talking to a girl who looked familiar to her(for some reason). The girl's description sounded like Tessa, and Cassie has confirmed it was her.
Ryleigh wrote: "Katherine wrote: "Yeah I love Will and Jem's relationship, it's really sweet. Still...I can't help but wonder if the reason Jem is the one person Will lets himself get close to, is because he's the..."Sorry! as I already said, I doubt he really will die. It's just that right now, technically he *is* dying. I saw something around Cassie's twitter about Will only loving Jem because Jem isn't supposed to be around much longer, so it got me thinking about it.
Katherine wrote: "Ryleigh wrote: "Katherine wrote: "Yeah I love Will and Jem's relationship, it's really sweet. Still...I can't help but wonder if the reason Jem is the one person Will lets himself get close to, is ..."I know what you mean, Will doesn't expect Jem to live so maybe that is why he opens up to him.... But also Will was nice to Jem before they knew he was dying (I think) like when he bought Jem that necklace that has a jade pendant on it because Jem was homesick.... unless they already knew Jem was dying at that point .... but still...
I will die too if Jem dies, he's like the total opposite to Jace and yet I love almost just as much (maybe I do love him just as much because he's the opposite to Jace so they aren't really competing in my head.... whereas Jace and Will are similar in someways.) :D
No Jace is so much better than Jem Because he has a sarcastic side even tho Jem is really sweet Jace will always be my # 1
Well, it doesnt necessarily mean Jace is *better* than Jem, just that he's more your type. I actually agree, I'm way more into Jace, but some people prefer the sweet and sensitive guys.
Six-Fingered Nigel- I think they did know Jem was dying (or just super sick) from the beginning, because the thing with the demon happened before he came to London. Idk, maybe Will just saw him as the safest choice. And I know what you mean about loving the opposites :) Usually I go for the more bad boy types, but then in, say, the Hunger Games, I'm team Peeta. So I guess I go for all different kinds guys in books.
I usually find myself with the majority...I prefer to think it's because I have good taste ;)
Katherine wrote: "Six-Fingered Nigel- I think they did know Jem was dying (or just super sick) from the beginning, because the thing with the demon happened before he came to London. Idk, maybe Will just saw him as..."
I haven't actually read the Hunger Games yet, but I'm planning too soon. Yea Jace is still my number one because he's just so Jace. :P But Jem is just so sweet that he definitely comes in second. I guess it's two different sides of me as well .... one side loves Jace for being Jace but the other side loves Jem for being a complete gentle caring guy. :D Cassie seriously knows how to create characters! :D
I know what you mean...different guys appeal to different sides of us :) and ohh yes she does.
Katherine wrote: "I know what you mean...different guys appeal to different sides of us :) and ohh yes she does."I can't imagine what I'd do if they were real people and I had to choose between them both .... so much easier when they don't actually exist! :D
Katherine wrote: "Well, it doesnt necessarily mean Jace is *better* than Jem, just that he's more your type. I actually agree, I'm way more into Jace, but some people prefer the sweet and sensitive guys."Yes I agree
Katherine wrote: "Haha right? this way we get them all :D"I know it's great! :D
Katherine wrote: "Why do you think Jace is more so?"
Well, Will is more of a downright jerk, whereas Jace is a more of a bad boy then a jerk like Will.
Well, Will is more of a downright jerk, whereas Jace is a more of a bad boy then a jerk like Will.
Lyn wrote: "Katherine wrote: "Why do you think Jace is more so?"Well, Will is more of a downright jerk, whereas Jace is a more of a bad boy then a jerk like Will."
Well Jace is a jerk sometimes but not to Clary cause he loves her and Will is just a jerk cause hes a jerk and in the next book he will prob end u maybe with great feeligs for tessa !
Ryleigh wrote: "Lyn wrote: "Katherine wrote: "Why do you think Jace is more so?"Well, Will is more of a downright jerk, whereas Jace is a more of a bad boy then a jerk like Will."
Well Jace is a jerk someti..."
Well..Jace has hurt Clary before, look at the way he talked to her/yelled at her in CoG when she came to Idris. But yes he had a legit reason. I don't think Will is a jerk...just to be one. I think we'll be finding out the reason. Will is definitely worse though, I feel like he's really disrespectful to Tessa, in a way that Jace would never be to Clary.
Katherine wrote: "Ryleigh wrote: "Lyn wrote: "Katherine wrote: "Why do you think Jace is more so?"Well, Will is more of a downright jerk, whereas Jace is a more of a bad boy then a jerk like Will."
Well Jace ..."
I totally agree.
Jace can never be replaced.
I think in the epilogue when Will went to Magnus for help was because he wanted him to do something so Will could be with Tessa. :D
I think in the epilogue when Will went to Magnus for help was because he wanted him to do something so Will could be with Tessa. :D
Becca wrote: "Jace can never be replaced.I think in the epilogue when Will went to Magnus for help was because he wanted him to do something so Will could be with Tessa. :D"
Either that, or I thought it could be to do with Will's family.
Maybe... Id really remember that much about his family though... But my sis agrees with me about how he went so he could be with Tessa. :D
I LOVE JACE! but will is like so mysterious and yea i wannsta know why he was so mean to tessa and why he needed Magnus!!
Jace all the way. I love Will...but Jace has that bad boy persona but Will is just plain mean! And then Jace has a soft side!
Jace can be soo sweet with Clary... (especially in CoFA) I met Cassie and got the prologue to Clockwork Prince...idk how much I can say, but Will did NOT go to Magnus to be with Tessa.
Here's the prologue:The fog was thick, muffling sound and sight: where it parted, Will Herondale could see the street rising ahead of him, slick and wet and black with rain, and hear the voices of the dead.
Not all Shadowhunters could hear ghosts, unless the ghosts chose to be heard, but Will was one of those few who could. As he approached the old cemetery, their voices rose in a ragged musical chorus: wails and pleading, cries and snarls. This was not a peaceful burial ground, but Will knew that; it was not his first visit to the Cross Bones Graveyard near London Bridge. He did his best to block out the noises, hunching his shoulders so that his collar covered his ears, his head down, a fine mist of rain dampening his black hair.
The entrance to the cemetery was halfway down the block: a pair of wrought iron gates set into a high stone wall. Any mundane passing by could see the thick chains that bound the gates shut, and the sign declaring the premises closed— it had been fifteen years since a body was buried here, but the place itself remained, as yet undesecrated. As Will neared the gates, something no mundane would have seen materialized out of the fog: a great bronze knocker in the shape of a hand, the fingers bony and skeletal. With a grimace, Will reached out one of his own gloved hands and lifted the knocker, letting it fall once, twice, three times, the hollow clank resounding through the night like the rattling chains of Marley’s ghost.
For several long moments, nothing happened. Beyond the gates, Will saw mist, rising like steam from the ground, obscuring the grave markers and long, uneven plots of earth between them. Slowly the mist began to rise and coalesce, taking on an eerie blue glow. Will put his hands to the bars of the gate; the cold of the metal seeped through his gloves, into his bones, and he shivered. It was a more than ordinary cold— when ghosts rose, they drew energy from their surroundings, depriving the air and space around them of heat. The hairs of the back of Will’s neck prickled and stood up as the blue mist swirled, forming slowly into the shape of an old woman, in a ragged dress and white apron, her head bent.
“Hallo, Mol,” said Will. “You’re looking particularly fine this evening, if I do say so.”
The ghost raised her head. Old Molly was a strong spirit, one of the stronger Will had encountered. Even as moonlight speared through a gap in the clouds, she hardly looked transparent; her body was solid, her hair twisted in a thick yellow-gray coil over one shoulder, her rough, red hands braced on her hips. Only her eyes were hollow, twin blue flames flickering in their depths.
“William Herondale,” she said. “Back again so soon?”
She moved toward the gate with that gliding motion peculiar to ghosts. Her feet were bare and filthy, despite the fact that they never touched the ground.
Will leaned against the gate. “You know I missed your pretty face.”
She grinned, her eyes flickering, and he caught a glimpse of the skull beneath the half-transparent skin. Overhead, the clouds had closed in on each other again, black and roiling, blocking out the moon. Idly, Will wondered what Old Molly had done to get herself buried here, far from consecrated ground. Most of the whispering voices of the dead belonged to prostitutes, suicides, and stillbirths— those outcast dead who could not be buried in a churchyard. Although Molly had managed to make the situation quite profitable for herself, so perhaps she didn’t mind.
She chortled. “What d’you want then, young Shadowhunter? Malphas venom? I have the talon of a Morax demon, polished very fine, the poison at the tip entirely invisible—”
“No,” Will said. “That’s not what I need. I need Foraii demon powders, ground fine.”
If a ghost could have paled, Old Molly would have paled; as it was, she seemed to flicker as Will spoke, like the flame of a candle at an open window. When he was done, she turned her head aside and spat a tendril of blue fire.
Will exhaled, his breath turning to mist on the cold air. “Surely,” he said, “that’s not the worst thing anyone’s ever paid you for, Old Mol.”
It was always like this. She argued, and then she gave in eventually. Magnus had already sent Will to Old Mol several times now, once for black stinking candles that stuck to his skin like tar, once for the bones of an unborn child, and once for a bad of faeries’ eyes which had dripped blood on his shirt. Foraii demon powder sounded pleasant by comparison.
She slid her hands into the pouch at the front of her apron. When she removed them, she was holding a faded cloth bag, tied with a scrap of dirty ribbon. She shook her head slowly. “You think I’m a fool,” she said, hoarsely. “This is a trap, innit? You Nephilim catch me selling that sort of stuff, an’ it’s the stick for Old Mol, it is.”
“You’re already dead.” Will did his best not to sound irritable. “I don’t know what you think the Clave could do to you now.”
“Pah.” Her hollow eyes flamed. “The prisons of the Silent Brothers, beneath the earth, can hold either the living or the dead; you know that, Will Herondale.”
Will held his hands up. ”No tricks, old one. Surely you must have the rumors running around Downworld. The Clave has other things on its mind than tracking down ghosts who traffic in demon powders and faerie blood.” He leaned forward. “I’ll give you a good price.” He drew a cambric bag from his pocket and dangled it in the air. It clinked like coins rattling together. ”They all fit your description, Mol.”
An eager look came over her dead face, and she solidified enough to take the bag from him. She plunged one hand into it and brought her palm out full of rings— gold wedding rings, each tied in a lover’s knot at the top. Old Mol, like many ghosts, was always looking for that talisman, that lost piece of her past that would finally allow her to die, the anchor that kept her trapped in the world. In her case, it was her wedding ring. It was common belief, Magnus had told Will, that the ring was long gone, buried under the silty bed of the Thames, but in the meantime she’d taken any bag of found rings on the hope one would turn out to be hers. So far it hadn’t happened.
She dripped the rings back into the bag, which vanished somewhere on her undead person, and handed him a folded sachet of powder in return. He slipped it into his jacket pocket just as the ghost began to shimmer and fade. “Hold up there, Mol. That isn’t all I have come for, to-night.”
The spirit flickered while greed warred with her innate sense of self-preservation. Finally, she grunted. “Very well. What else d’you want?”
Will hesitated. This was not something Magnus had sent him for; it was something he wanted to know for himself. “Love potions—”
Old Mol screeched with laughter. “Love potions? For Will Herondale? T’aint my way to turn down payment, but any man who looks like you has got no need of love potions, and that’s a fact.”
“No,” Will said, a little desperation in his voice, “I was looking for the opposite, really— something that might put an end to being in love.”
“An ‘atred potion?” Mol sounded amused.
“I was hoping for something more akin to indifference? Toleration…?”
She made a snorting noise, astonishingly human for a ghost. “I ‘ardly like to tell you this, Nephilim, but if you want a girl to ‘ate you, there’s easy enough ways of making it ‘appen. You don’t need my help with the poor thing.”
And with that, she vanished, spinning away into the mists among the graves. Will, looking after her, sighed. “Not for her,” he said, under his breath, though there was no one to hear him, “for me…” and he leaned his head against the cold iron gate.
okay i just didnt know if i was allowed to do that...
That is awesome! I love it!And about Will and Jace: I like Jace a lot better. I didn't feel like we really needed Will in the book. He seems like a less cool repeat of Jace...
yeah like the jerk side of jace with none of the softer elements of jace that i love :)I mean..don't you think the infernal devices is gonna be REALLY REALLY close to MI?
It's the same shadowhunter world, so of course it's going to be "close". Especially since Will is Jace's ancestor, etc. It's totally cool to like Jace more than Will (I do) but maybe we should wait and give Will more of a chance! He's only had 1 book, and Jace has had 4.
It's not that I'm not giving Will a chance, I always give characters plenty of time to prove themselves. It's more like we have Jace, we love him, and it feels like he's being repeated. Almost like a knock-off since he's not so kind... but he's still cool....I'm not explaining this very well, am I?
Haha no I get where you're coming from. I know, I was actually pretty surprised when I started CP, to see how much like Jace Will was. But Cassie has said it's all in the sense of humor, and in CP we'll probably understand Will's difference's more. I guess that's why I was saying hold off for the rest of the books. *Personally* I don't mind, I love Jace so much, and was so hesitant to read CA, that I was relieved and glad to find Will.
Also--this in no way changes who they are, I realize--but I personally find it helpful to imagine everything Will says in his british accent (I often forget when characters have accents. I'm from the US btw.) rather than Jace's drawl. Somehow this seperates Will into a different catagory for me.
Wow that prologue is so cool! It looks really good!Yea I mean I'll always love Jace but I want to give Will a chance. It seems that even in the prologue we're finally getting under his jerkiness. I'm quite looking forward to CP.
What did you think of CoFA? I was kinda disappointed. It didn't quite seem in the same league as the other three. But that's just my opinion.
