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Breaking Dawn--Forgivable? I think not!
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My goodness - girl - get OVER yourself!!!! It is a book and as far as I am concerned it should leave you shocked and thinking- after all, is that not ALL authors holy grail??? Jacob was never sexually attracted to Reneesemee, you sick child, he cared for her to protect her without thought for himself -the most selfest act another person can give. You call yourself an academic? Teacher? YOU and YOUR type DISGUST ME!!!! with your rules and theories - you truely cannot begin to understand the human mind! PS: If you care to see MY qualifications - you need only google my name! With Respect,
K
Alicia, I could not agree with you more. It is now three days after I have finished Breaking Dawn, and I am still utterly disappointed. I've posted in another link, and I could not have elaborated any more than you on my feelings of utter failure with this book. Maybe that was Ms. Meyer's goal, people sure are talking. Here is another thing I'm having difficulty understanding, why in the heck is Kerry freaking out so bad?! Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion. How disrespectful to attack someone because of their thoughts. This IS a message board you know.
People like that disgust me.
Natalie
I completely agree with everything you've said! This book completely ruined the series as a whole for me. How could three amazing books such as Twilight, New Moon and Eclipse lead up to this book. It was just so, I don't know... OFF.It didn't have the romance the other books had. Both Edward and Bella seemed out of character the whole book. It just wasn't good and it makes me sad.
Kerry,You are entitled to your opinion, just as I am entitled to mine.
As for your comment that "Jacob was never sexually attracted to Renesemee..." Did I say that he was? I did not; however, if his only concern was "...to protect her without thought for himself..." then why did he completely forget about being in love with HER MOTHER the minute that he imprinted on her? Just something to think about.
It's unfortunate that my "kind" disgust you. I believe in a world where people are entitled to their own opinions. I believe in the dialectic, which is one reason that I enjoy message boards discussing issues such as these.
I wish you well.
Noelle,Because I LOVED the other three books so much, it truly broke my heart to read Breaking Dawn.
Think about it, with Breaking Dawn, New Moon and Eclipse became inconsequential. There was a huge build up with absolutely no climax for the series as a whole. Why have the love triangle if Bella wasn't going to have to choose? Why have all of the build up about the first years of being a new born if Bella doesn't have to struggle through that stage? Why all of the turmoil about leaving behind her family if she doesn't have to give any of that up?
Stories are conflict, action, resolution. In New Moon and Eclipse, we have conflict (for example, the love triangle). The action should be action(s) to overcome the conflict. That action should lead to the resolution in the end. What we have in Breaking Dawn is a plot device (Renesemee) that is used solely to resolve the conflict without there being any struggle (action) what-so-ever.
Natalie,I'm unsure why Kerry (or anyone for that matter) is so upset with people that are voicing their opinions about Breaking Dawn. I WANTED to love the book! I'm sure I speak for many others when I say that I put time and energy into these characters, and I cared about them; I cared about the story. Whether I loved it (as I truly did want to) or hated it, I have a right to voice my opinion, but I am perfectly aware that my opinion is NOT the only one out there, and I am perfectly happy and willing to hear other opinions about the book. Engaging with others about their ideas (whether about works of fiction or otherwise) is one of the joys of life--or my life anyway! :-) I've learned so much through the process of civil debate, like I said, regardless of the topic of discussion.
Kerry - I googled the name "Kerry" but it didn't turn anything special up, so could you clarify for me what your qualifications are?Also, it doesn't make sense to tell someone they "DISGUST" you, and then sign off "with respect," there's not much respectful about what you had to say.
I liked the conclusion to this series and I think Ms. Meyers did a great job. I thought I was into this series but clearly I'm not a superfan or I think I would have had a stronger reaction to the prementioned problems. That being said I think the author really tried to make the largest amount of her fans happy by having Edward and Jacob both have happy endings. PS: If anyone really still thinks teenagers are not having sex google Gloucester, MA!
"If anyone really thinks that teenagers are not having sex google Gloucester, MA!" LOL.
How could I respond to that but to say touché!
But...do they break headboards, bite pillows and wake up angry the next day because of doing those things? Oh yeah, and do the girls BEG the boys for sex?
Maybe they do. I work with younger teens, so I may be out of touch with what really goes on. I don't deny that for one second. As a matter of fact, my husband just pointed out that so many things are acceptable nowadays. He knows someone who has a 5 year old that runs around the house singing "can I hit it from the front,
then I hit it from the back?" I guess they learn early these days, and they get it from books, music, t.v., movies...
I'm sorry, I have to comment on the sex thing. That is a very big part of marriage, especially in the beginning. And especially if you have abstained from it until marriage. I can completely understand why it is such a big deal to Bella. I don't know if she was begging so much as she may have been feeling a little rejected and hurt. Imagine you are on your honeymoon and had one night together and then your husband, for whatever reason, doesn't want to get close again. I don't care the reason, you'd probably feel a little rejected.
I agree with Lori about the sex thing, but even without marriage I dont think things would be much different for teens.BUT...I think you are all missing the big picture, the book is a work of FICTION! I dont know how many teenage vampires you know but if SM wanted to make them bite pillows and break headboards then so be it.
I dont know about you guys and gals but I think she left some loose ends. I would have liked to read about Aro being ripped limb from limb (and i am not even a violent person). And my biggest question
DO VAMPIRES GO TO HEAVEN?
i very much agree with you alicia. breaking dawn was so utterly dissapointing, that at the end of it, i wanted to burn the book and everything inside that it contained.what was stephanie meyer thinking? i dont know. but i definately dont feel the same anymore about Twilight. its like bella and edward were to completely different characters. like in a sequal to a movie, when they change the actors of the characters.
i feel like crying (as ridiculous as that sounds) but i cannot. i think im almost in shock as to how horrible the book was. as you said, im trying to erase it from my mind as if it never really existed.
i would like to thank stephanie meyer for this. i wish she would write the "right" ending to the series. i think she broke many hearts
Alicia,The sex thing is not a big deal. I mean they were married weren't they? And in Eclpse how many times did Bella try to get Edward to have sex with her? A lot. And the reason with the biting pillows and breaking headboards was because he was too strong for her and had to be careful and he had to find somewhere to put all that extra strength so he wouldn't hurt Bella. I think this point has already been made but teens all areound the world are having sex!
And I agree with you about the blood thing because that was weird.
And Jacob forgot about Bella as soon as he saw Renesmee because that's what happens when warewolves imprin. And you said you only wanted Jacob to be happy, well now he is happy.
I'm sad that you all are not happy with this book. I have a feeling that everyone wanted a certain ending and it was that Bella become a vampire. Well she did and when she did no one liked her any more. Oh well, what did you expect? Her to be exactly the same? I, for one am pleased by her change. I'm happy about her powers and also happy that everything she was so worried about she doesn't have to worry about so much. And I agree with sonny about the breaking headboards and biting pillows. Would you rather he broke Bella?
Breaking Dawn is by far the best book out of the entire series. The thing that Meyer possesses as a writer is her ability to to be compelling. It has been my pleasure to see her mature as a writer, and BD is by far her best composition. It is far less repetitive, has a happy ending and is sexy without being gratuitous. We can only hope that teenagers will be inspired by the romance put forth by the married and wildly in love example set by Bella and Edward.I love Bella as a vampire. She is not the pathetic, annoying creature that she was in the previous novels. Meyer has captured her as a strong and virile woman, wife and mother. I would really have loved a more climactic ending with the Volturi getting their asses kicked though.
I kinda feel like it's silly that people are getting so worked up over the sex issue, when the people in question are married. Age isn't an issue, and even if it were, what you have here is an undead guy who, while he may physically be 17, is mentally about 200. It's not ok for him to get laid? Seriously?As for Bella begging for sex...well, if my husband wouldn't do it on our honeymoon, I might get upset too. The only time it bothered me was when it seemed like she couldn't make up her mind whether she wanted to have more sex or go see her new baby. I don't think that's realistic at ALL.
Lori, the problem that we have with the book isn't that Bella became a vampire. That's not it at all. I'm so happy that Bella became a campire and was able to live with Edward forever.My problem was that with becoming a vampire, there were things that were said in the first three books that made being a vampire just as bad as it was good. She had to sacrifice, fight urges that weren't there before, not be the same girl for a long time to get over those urges somehow. And then her fear of giving up family and Jacob.
Instead, Stephanie completely through all those rules out the window and made Bella some sort of Super-vamp. She's got control over her urges because of a good attitude and preparation. Are you kidding? She's more graceful. She's stronger. She's better than everyone else.
And family wasn't a problem because Charlie's on a need to know basis and doesn't care that his daughters immortal. And Jacob's fine with it because Renesmee is now his life.
Everything that was built up in the first three books was just thrown away. And that's our problem.
Noelle - hehe, I just misread your typo as "bella became a campfire." :-p
Stephenie didn't have the time to do the research... regarding vampires, hybird vampire/humans etc. or the rez. I seriously hope she's giving some of her cash to the Quilluette(sp.) tribe. They were poorly represented here!
Wait, the Quiluettes are a real tribe?!
Yes! Quilleute. They are a unique tribe in the Northwest as their language isn't related to any other tribes'. They are the only tribe I have heard of in Washington that is trying have an economy based on something besides casino revenue (no wait, other tribes also have business interests besides casino...what I mean is the Quilleute are trying to make it without a casino). And it would be great to see them profit from the use of their name (beyond the sales of some t-shirts anyway).
Wow, I feel dumb :-) I had no idea about the Quilleutes. Did they give permission for this? Is there anywhere I can read about there response to the story?
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I am 32 year old English teacher with an undergraduate and graduate degree in English, and I've always loved to read. Due to these facts, I've enjoyed many books in my lifetime, but few have been as enthralling as Twilight and New Moon were for me.
With Breaking Dawn, not only was I not compelled to turn the page, but I had to put it down. I had to stop because I was so frustrated. My disillusionment with the book began the morning after Bella and Edward's first night together as husband and wife. Edward was so angry the morning after, and I understood the why, but not how he handled his anger. I also imagined my 9th grade students reading that, and how upsetting that would be for so many of them. I mean, breaking headboards and biting pillows? Really? This is for young adults? And Bella begging for sex? PLEASE. I am seriously nauseous as I remember her waking up from her dream and BEGGING.
The inconsistencies with the characters when compared to the other books drove me insane. Bella drinking blood? Seriously? Is this the same girl who almost fainted at the sight of blood in the first book? And don't even get me started on the delivery of RENESEMEE (or that ridiculous name for that matter!)
I have many more gripes with Breaking Dawn, but my biggest is Jacob and Renesemee imprinting. I can't talk about that without crying (literally). I found it beyond disturbing. Sure, Jacob is immature, but I couldn't help but to love him! I've always been one to root for the "underdog," and I adored Jacob. I was hoping that, if he wasn't going to be with Bella, he would end up with Leah, or imprint on some other nice girl (and am I the only person who believes that Meyer lead us to believe that something was going to happen between Jacob and Leah?). I just wanted Jacob to be happy. I was NOT prepared for him to say something about how many times he had pictured Bella nude, and in the next moment imprint on her newborn child! Meyer lost me there. I, personally, felt more intensity between Jacob and Bella in New Moon and Eclipse than I did between Edward and Bella, so for me, the imprinting was probably more disturbing that it was for most readers.
I don't think I can ever forgive what has been done to this beloved series by the releasing of Breaking Dawn. All I can do is try to erase it from my memory, and tell myself that it ended with Eclipse.