Twilight v. Harry Potter? Showing 401-450 of 1,501

[Lara]

Ooh... good point Lavanya... I agree with you... HP is better written but I still like Twilight on an equal level.

[Lara]

Well isn't making the reader feel what the characters feel a good thing... then the reader is pulled into the book....

[Bee]

I am not going to go into Bella and her horrible character development and how she is the crappiest heroine to date.

It is one thing to feel like you are part of the story, but it is another to be depressed by the overall pathetic nature of the character. Bella was so spastic with her emotions I just wanted to slap the crap out of her. It didn't make the story more enjoyable or pull me in, it made me want to take the book back to Barnes and Noble.

I LIKED Twilight but frankly the series isn't that great. I was disappointed with the the change in the series. But that has been beaten to death.

JKR did an excellent job with laying her story out, filling the plot holes, and developing her characters. SM was a little more willy nilly and just slapped together a story so she could focus on Host.

I will say that the epilogue for DH's made me feel unfulfilled. I was pleased that the series ended well and all the loose ends were tied and I left Harry's world with a smile.

But the entire time I was reading Breaking Dawn, I was laughing out loud(not in a good way), and rolling my eyes and the almost unbelievable plot. I left Bella and Edward thinking what a disgustingly annoying couple they were and how both characters failed to live up to what they were in Twilight.

I will probably never pick up my Twilight series again, most likely I will give them away to the post library. My Harry Potter books will be re-read once or more a year like always.

[Lara]

Interesting position Vedanti... and Beth.... remember that you speak for yourself... there are many of us... myself included that loved the cheesy romance in the book because it was what we are looking for... (well mostly) and it gives us something to day dream about.... yes HP was well written but you can't completely discredit Twilight... I mean it did get published... So did you think that The Host was better than the Twilight Series???

On another topic.... remember the comment about how do we as Americans increase our vocabulary (other than reading the dictionary) I have found a solution.... go into AP Literature and Compostition... wow... it seems like we are learning a large amount of new words everyday... plus in our essays we have a LONG list of words and phrases we are not allowed to use.... if that doesn't increase your command of the language... I don't know what will....

[Autumn]

I did not think that Eclipse and Breaking Dawn were depressing. The only parts that were depressing were in New Moon when Edward wasn't there. What grade are you in Lara? I am going into Honors English for my sophmore year next year, so that should help with the vocab. Oh, read Jane Austen's books if you really want to improve vocab. Lots of words I'd never heard of.

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Jessica wrote: "Twilight doesn't hold a candle to the well-developed stories of Harry Potter, but it does have an addictive "thrill" quality, slightly marred by the constant, repetitive angst. There is a maturing..."

I like Harry Potter a lot don't get me wrong but you just must love it! I admire your devotion to the series it truly is amazing.

[Autumn]

Amber wrote: "I honestly am in love with both series but for different reasons. I like Harry Potter for the magic and complicated almost mystery I guess. But I like Twilight for the addicting love story that eve..."

Thank you Amber! That's an excellent explanation for how we can love both series. Oh, and I hereby invite all Twifans to the Twifanatics book club. Join the discussions!

I really do wish I had my own Edward...Sigh...

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Amber wrote: "Jessica wrote: "Twilight doesn't hold a candle to the well-developed stories of Harry Potter, but it does have an addictive "thrill" quality, slightly marred by the constant, repetitive angst. The..."

Thanks! I just don't thinks it's really fair to compare them because they are totally different books. But anyways thanks for backing me up!

[Mallory]

I really enjoy both book series. However, J.K. Rowling is a brillent writer. I really do like Stephaine's books, but Harry Potter is just extremly better written. That is why in my opinion Harry Potter is a lot better than Twilight, even if you can't put it down.

[Kamberli]

To me they are both masterpieces! both authors are very creative with what they have come up with!

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Amber wrote: "Amber wrote: "Jessica wrote: "Twilight doesn't hold a candle to the well-developed stories of Harry Potter, but it does have an addictive "thrill" quality, slightly marred by the constant, repetiti..."

That is totally okay! Everyone is entitled to there own opinion. I do agree that Rowling is a very gifted writer but then again Stephenie is too.

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Mallory wrote: "I really enjoy both book series. However, J.K. Rowling is a brillent writer. I really do like Stephaine's books, but Harry Potter is just extremly better written. That is why in my opinion Harry Po..."

That is exactly how I feel!

[Lavanya]

Amber wrote: "Mallory wrote: "I really enjoy both book series. However, J.K. Rowling is a brillent writer. I really do like Stephaine's books, but Harry Potter is just extremly better written. That is why in my ..."

Amber and Mallory, I feel exactly that way too!

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Amber wrote: "Mallory wrote: "I really enjoy both book series. However, J.K. Rowling is a brillent writer. I really do like Stephaine's books, but Harry Potter is just extremly better written. That is why in my ..."

I think you have the exact right view.

[Lavanya]

Now, I wouldn't go too far and say that is the right view. We are all entitled to hold our own opinions, but that doesn't mean it is right or wrong. You just happen to agree with Mallory and me :)

[Autumn]

Lavanya wrote: "Now, I wouldn't go too far and say that is the right view. We are all entitled to hold our own opinions, but that doesn't mean it is right or wrong. You just happen to agree with Mallory and me :)

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I totally agree with you Lavanya. I am all for
Twilight! I love HP too, but I just like Twilight more.

[Lavanya]

Autumn wrote: "Lavanya wrote: "Now, I wouldn't go too far and say that is the right view. We are all entitled to hold our own opinions, but that doesn't mean it is right or wrong. You just happen to agree with Ma..."
Yuppers! I think most people feel that way - they like both books, but sometimes they prefer one over the other based on several factors.

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Amber wrote: "Amber wrote: "Mallory wrote: "I really enjoy both book series. However, J.K. Rowling is a brillent writer. I really do like Stephaine's books, but Harry Potter is just extremly better written. That..."

True but as I see it we have the right view because we see them as equal as they should be because they are different series about completely different subjects. Well maybe not completely different but pretty close.

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Autumn wrote: "Lavanya wrote: "Now, I wouldn't go too far and say that is the right view. We are all entitled to hold our own opinions, but that doesn't mean it is right or wrong. You just happen to agree with Ma..."

I guess that is what I have been trying to say all along.

[Bee]

Lara wrote: "Interesting position Vedanti... and Beth.... remember that you speak for yourself... there are many of us... myself included that loved the cheesy romance in the book because it was what we are loo..."

Yes I do know that I speak for myself, that is why in the post I used the word "I" which is showing that it is my personal opinion. This whole thread is about speaking your own feelings. I don't really care if I offend anyone with my opinions.

Frankly the love story is one of the things about Twilight I hated the most. It is such an unrealistic and unhealthy relationship that I fear that teens will think this is what love should be like. Love is nothing like this. The romance isn't cheesy it is just unhealthy.

I NEVER wished I had my own Edward. Yes he was a gentleman(depending on your definition) but frankly he did so many things that left me speechless. Leaving Bella in New Moon, that wasn't selfless it was selfish. He basically was saying that she wasn't competent enough to make her own choices. That he had to make them for her, "for her own good". He is constently overbearing, and possessive. Watching someone sleep is creepy...not sweet.

The thing that bothered me the most about Edward is his willingness to thrust Bella at Jacob so she can have a baby. My husband would never suggest that sort of thing. Yes, we'd like to have kids but to pimp me out to a love sick friend is just so pathetic and wrong it isn't funny.

Maybe I am bias because I am in a healthy relationship with a real man. But Edward never did it for me.

[Autumn]

Beth wrote: "Lara wrote: "Interesting position Vedanti... and Beth.... remember that you speak for yourself... there are many of us... myself included that loved the cheesy romance in the book because it was wh..."

You do have to remember that he's a vampire. He can't sleep, and it's not like he saw her naked. And he was being selfless. He was willing to hurt himself in anyway to keep her safe. And how is he possessive? The whole point of the books are unrealistic. That's why people read them. Impossible romance that actually works out.
He wasn't thrusting Bella at Jacob. The point was that if she wanted kids, "fine. But let Carlisle take that "thing" out of you. You can't die from my baby. I don't care if you have kids with Jacob, just as long as you're happy and alive."

[Nicole]

okay, those two series aren't even close to each other and shouldn't be compared. They're not even in the same country.

[Autumn]

Feathers wrote: "okay, those two series aren't even close to each other and shouldn't be compared. They're not even in the same country. "

Good point. I like that agruement.

[Bee]

Autumn- No I don't care if he is Superman. Watching someone sleep is creepy. He broke into her room WITHOUT her permission and watched her. Where I come from we call that stalking.

And sorry, no it was selfish. He took all of her things that were related to him so it was as if he didn't exist, basically making the choice for her. He didn't like that she made her choice, it was to become a vampire. He decided she didn't know what she wanted, HE knew better. Then after he left, she turned all crazy psycho. She was obsessed to the point of co-dependency(not to mention the hearing voices, and reckless acts) and neglecting her own physical health. He needed to treat her like an equal and tell her why it was wrong in his mind for them to be together(again making the choice for her). With Edward she became nothing but Beldward(Bella and Edward combined).

And basically Bella's reaction in New Moon...that is not normal, that is grounds for getting locked up in a mental institution. She was obsessed with Edward to the point of ignoring school work, her friends(the non Cullen ones), ignoring her father's wishes, and her own ideals(her supposed feminism).

You aren't understanding when I say unrealistic, I don't mean that it is an impossible romance that works out. It is unrealistic that two totally self absorbed people that can barely see past their own wants and needs, that are so dependent on each other that it is almost disturbing. I was not in awe of their love, I was going to call a therapist to sort them out with electroshock therapy. It was an UNHEALTHY relationship on both sides.

They didn't compliment each other, they clung to one another. They are parasites for each other. That is not a relationship that is a mental disorder.

As to Edward being possessive, did you not read New Moon, Eclipse? Because his entire hissy fit for her being with Jacob as FRIENDS, is a little possessive to the point I'd call the domestic abuse hot-line(there is more to abuse then just smacking people around).

Again with the baby, he was being overbearing, making decisions for Bella. That shows he doesn't full respect her judgment, something that is reiterated through the series. I think it also shows his disregard for Jacob's feelings, by putting him out to stud. Bella doesn't want any baby(at least if she is anything like me) she wants a child that is from her and Edward. A little bit of the two of them. I don't expect you to understand since you are still in high school. But trust me there is a difference.



Feathers- But they are. They are teen fantasy, that has similar plot lines(not exact but I could pull parallels if I needed to). They are both break out series from a previously unknown writer.

One just happens to focus on the world and the events(aka the plot) while the other focuses on the love story.

Twilight(the first book not the series) should have just been one book with a epilogue. I would have been okay with it. I could have closed the book and been somewhat happy. SM ruined what she had in Twilight by writing the next three books.

Someone who asked I don't remember who- No I didn't like Host but I felt she put more effort into the book than she did with Twilight.

[Elania]

I like Stephenie Meyer and the saga is a thrilling read but as far as talent, J.K. Rowling blows her out of the water. Granted, these are the first books she even wrote so she might get better. As of now though, Twilight is inferior to HP.

[Hannah]

Harry Potter is waaaay better than Twilight. It has a plot and good characters. In the last book, everything is summed up perfectly, details from all the other books are put together to create an unforgetable ending. There's action, mystery, romance, not to mention a whole new world to learn about and that many people, adults and children both love to be absorbed into. On the other hand, Twilight is just about Edward and Bella's "love". Edward may be unrealistically perfect but there is no real reason for them to love each other. Edward likes Bella because she SMELLS good! Also, Twilight has no plot. It's all about the two them learning more about each other and themselves, bla bla bla, and then Meyers is like hey! I need some adventure! Out of no where, another vampire attacks or something. The parts with badly conducted action just spring out of nowhere. Unlike Harry Potter where the action and the reasons are always there, from Book One. Harry Potter is the kind of new classic that will be remembered forever while Twilight is just a fad about a cute vampire.

[Wicked ♥ (Wickedly Bookish Reviews) aka Bat-Jess]

Twilight is great, but comparing it to Harry Potter is ridiculous. I love the Twilight Saga, I went out and bought them all and read them within a few days, but Harry Potter is absolutely epic. These two series are completely different genres. I would call Harry fantasy and Twilight supernatural. Just because one has wizards and the other has vampires does not put them in the same category.

I honestly feel Harry Potter is untouchable as far as another series goes. It was too epic and beloved by both children and adults.

[Lavanya]

Wow - why are we even discussing this? We keep saying the same things. I guess we are starting to agree now. :) I've stated my opinion similar to Jessica's and many others. And currently, most people either feel that both books are excellent, or that Harry Potter is better. I love both books, but Harry Potter was written on a different level making it a true classic. Apart from that, both books have redeeming qualities. I just prefer Harry Potter more because it was well written.

[Autumn]

Beth wrote: "Autumn- No I don't care if he is Superman. Watching someone sleep is creepy. He broke into her room WITHOUT her permission and watched her. Where I come from we call that stalking.

And sorry, no i..."

Look, I understand the difference. My point was that he didn't care if she wanted a baby. She refused to give their "child" up because she wanted one with equal part Edward and herself, I get that. He was letting her decide on what she wanted to do about the situation. It just pained him to watch her suffer for his child. No one ever expected them to be able to have a baby, so he didn't feel that fatherly emotion towards the baby. And her friendship with Jacob made him JEALOUS, not possessive.

Everything about Twilight is unrealistic. That's what I enjoy about fantasy. There are no rules to what can and can't work. If you don't like fantasy that is like that, don't read it. I'd would like to see what parallels you can pull.

Hannah, what romance? There very little that you can't even say there is. None of it focuses on romance.

Oh and all my fan gear will be "You say obseessed like it's a bad thing." I'm obsessed like Bella.

[Bee]

LMAO....this is great. I refuse to even comment on Nessie since the whole plot was just horrible, terrible, and strangly funny.

Cause jealous doesn't equal possessive. *rolls eyes*

The romance element has nothing to do with the Fantasy element so please stop making the two synonymous. Wait...no the only way someone as whiny, boring, and transparent as Bella, would get multiple guys drooling after her is in a sappy teen fantasy.

There are limits to being unrealistic. When the author sets it up to be a certain way(cannon if you will) then they should stick with it. When she breaks everything that she built up in three books, yeah I call that stupid.

The fact is this is the ONLY fantasy, and I have been reading them long before you were born, that changes things for a "happy ending". Fantasy has always been an escape for me, but this fantasy is just nothing but soft core porn for young girls and bored housewives(though if I was really that bored I'd read a trashy historical romance over Twilight). I will give it the same literary respect I give that.

Paralells:
Both have a lead character who is pulled into a seemingly impossible world by forces outside their control.

Both redefine the sterotypical werewolf.(meaning they both soften their image)

Both are about good and evil/right and wrong/self sacrifice.

Both main character challenge their beliefs and how far they would go to save a life.

Both main characters overcome obstacles with the help of a werewolf.

Both main characters depend on a werewolf for friendship and guidance.

Both main characters feel betrayed by someone close to them.

Both stories are a coming of age novel.

Would you like more?

The romance in HP is subtle, but that is what I like about it. It is also more realistic of young love. It is awkward, strange, and kinda goofy. The love between the older characters(Bill and Fleur, Tonks and Lupin, Snape and Lily) are mature and shows that love travels,time and distance, is more than just looks, and that no matter what type of monster you may think you are love is there. When I read a fantasy I want to be so swept up in the world that I believe, maybe just maybe there could be a place like this.

It is called suspension of disbelief. This is a a formula devised by the poet and aesthetic philosopher Samuel Taylor Coleridge to justify the use of fantastic or non-realistic elements in literature. Coleridge suggested that if a writer could infuse a "human interest and a semblance of truth" into a fantastic tale, the reader would suspend his or her judgment concerning the implausibility of the narrative. This is where SM fails. A good writer, like JKR, can make people think...just maybe.


Okay Autumn, you can be obsessed like Bella, cause she isn't mentally unstable at all. I'll be back here in reality.

[Autumn]

Beth wrote: "LMAO....this is great. I refuse to even comment on Nessie since the whole plot was just horrible, terrible, and strangly funny.

Cause jealous doesn't equal possessive. *rolls eyes*

The romance e..."

We are all entitled to our own opinions, so I will respect yours as another goodreads member. NOT because you're my "elder." I would like to say though, that HP wasn't supposed to be a romance and that's why it was subtle. Twilight was a romance and that's what it's focused on. So I don't see why people are even comparing them.

(what does LMAO mean? I don't speak text-message. I don't text)

[Lavanya]

Okay, first of all Beth, I completely understand your reasoning. It was eloquently stated, and I am sure many people will have similar opinions as you.

However, that doesn't mean you need to accuse Autumn of being "obsessed like Bella, cause she isn't mentally unstable at all." That's taking it too far; insulting, or making comments that can be interpreted negatively about people isn't what this discussion is meant for. You probably should have just stopped at "be obsessed like Bella." After all, Autumn admitted she was. :)

Try to make your point politely, please? Just say that "I understand that you like Twilight, and don't mind unrealistic things happening in a novel, but I'll just stick to more realistic things."

By the way, I am not defending either person's opinion; all I am saying is state your point as politely as possible. That's what goodreads discussions are for.

Sorry, Beth, this wasn't meant to single you out. I've just noticed that in a lot of heated discussions, people are taking things too far.

[Lara]

Jessica wrote: "Twilight is great, but comparing it to Harry Potter is ridiculous. I love the Twilight Saga, I went out and bought them all and read them within a few days, but Harry Potter is absolutely epic. The..."

Yes... thank you... and Beth... you are getting way to snipity with the rest of us and our opinions... I agree with Lavanya... we have our opinions as do you but you don't have to be rude about the differences...

Wow... we are all over 14 (except you Vedanti) I am a senior in high school but I will continue to read both seires until something better comes along.

Beth, congratulations on your relationship... we all can't be so lucky so for the rest of us there is Edward or the image of Edward... Be nice to those of us that have fictional love lives.... so why did you not like The Host? I found it incredible and very well done....

Autumn... as always you say it so well... HP NOT a romance... Twilight ROMANCE.... that is how it was supposed to be so comparing them on that level is useless....

[Wicked ♥ (Wickedly Bookish Reviews) aka Bat-Jess]

Ivy wrote: "About fictional love lives: I frequently fall in love with fantasy characters. Edward was NOT one of them.

About ages: I am 14, and will be a freshman next year. I love to read and that will n..."

lol yes the typical vampire. Oh and don't forget the liquid topaz eyes. As far as vamps go I prefer Lestat from Anne Rice's vampire chronicle novels.

[Autumn]

Everyone is sooooo picky. I respect everyone's opinion, as always. But Beth, to questions someone's mental stablity based on the books they enjoy is just plain snobbish. If you knew who I was you would not have accused me of it. I'm 15 1/2 and I take honors courses. So why am I mentally unstable? Because I enjoy a series you don't? Ridiculus.

Thank you Lara and Lavanya. I truly appreciate peace makers like yourselves. And senior year, huh? Wow. Are you planning on college?

We all have different tastes in guys. Edward just happens to have a lot of fans. So it's not entirely surprising you didn't like Edward, Ivy. The redeeming qualities are friendship, love (duh), loyalty, selflessness, bravery...and on goes the list. Lara, would you care to list more.

Autumn Cullen

[Lavanya]

Ivy wrote: "I agree with you, Beth, on a lot of the things you said about Edward. Especially on him being "possessive" and leaving Bella. And I agree that Edward did indeed stalk Bella.
Now with my opinion o..."

Sure, as far as the redeeming qualities go, both books encouraged people to start reading again. I don't think Twilight is the best piece of literature out there, but I have an example to share.

A couple of my classmates (and somewhat close friends), didn't like to read books in general. They had a tough time getting past the words and could not form pictures in their heads or understand what was happening. Reading was just really boring for them. But when Twilight came out, and suddenly became popular, they tried reading it.

One friend told me that Twilight was easy to read (I'm not surprised :D ) because it was written in a style that most people use on a day to day basis, and the sentences seemed to flow like a person was talking to them (first person benefit, I suppose). Anyways, it allowed her to, for the first time, really imagine what was going on. After that, she slowly progressed to more eloquently written novels. And I know this just doesn't apply to one of my friends, it applies to several. I'm glad they got inspired to start reading through Twilight. And I think someone else before me posted a comment saying how Twilight encouraged people, specifically teenagers, to start reading.

Now, I am not saying Harry Potter doesn't do that - because it does. But you asked me to name a redeeming quality of Twilight, and I consider this one to be that.

[Megan]

I agree. I like both series, although I will always love Harry Potter more. I do think though that if a book gets more people to read even if it sucks at least it added readers who will hopefully pick up other books.

[Autumn]

I'm so with you on that!

[Lavanya]

Booksaplenty16 wrote: "I agree. I like both series, although I will always love Harry Potter more. I do think though that if a book gets more people to read even if it sucks at least it added readers who will hopefully pick up other books..."

I agree with you on that. I like both series, but I love Harry Potter more just because it is written on a different level. But hey, if Twilight allows people to start reading and encourages them to try out different books, then I am fine with that. We need to have more people reading; I know so many people who say they are content with watching movies or playing video games, and would rather not read. I don't know if this bothers anyone, but it does bother me. We need people to keep reading because books are amazing!

Edit: I don't have anything against movies, or video games. I'm just opposed to those who say movies and video games can take the place of books.

[Autumn]

Yeah, books give you different perspectives of the world. I must say though that I am guilty to playing a few video games once in while. And of course I like movies too. But reading is more time passing. I watch movies to hang with the fam. Of course I had to watch the Twilight movie to compare. I'm a bookworm at heart.

[Bee]

MY GOD! I didn't call Autumn mentally unstable. I called Bella that, and Bella IS mentally unstable. She said she was obsessed like Bella. That is not something to aspire to. *throws up hands*

So because my opinions are different I am rude? If I wanted to be rude I could be. You all are taking things way too serious. Internet debates...it is serious business.

Please don't put Edward on a pedestal, he is not the guy you all should want for yourselves. When you desire someone who is overly perfect you can't see the slightly flawed person in front of you that might be the love of your life. My husband wasn't the type of person I normally went for(I usually went for the intellectual book-nerdy types and he is a muscle bound Army car junkie) and now I can't imagine being with anyone else.

Ivy- You are extremely well spoken for a 14 year old! I am impressed.

Lara- Why didn't I like the The Host? Subject matter really didn't appeal to me. But I found her writing a tad less awkward. So she is progressing as a writer, I'd just like for her to write in third person. I can't do first person narratives, it really takes away from the story for me. I like to picture books in my head as if I watching a movie not as if I was seeing it through my own eyes.

Lavanya- Do you think that the simplicity of the story and writing what makes it a big draw or the fact that it is a book about sparkly hot men who go after the plain jane?

Autumn- LMAO = laughing my a** off.

[Bee]

Oh you are homeschooled! Now that makes sense. It explains so much. Your parents are doing a wonderful job! While I wasn't homeschooled, I found that the public school system didn't/doesn't push reading proper literature anymore(lazy English teachers and their movies). They are more content for the student to get what they can out of cliff's notes.

I think the difference with Twilight and HP (I do believe someone said this somewhere) is that HP promoted people to say 'Okay what next?' where as Twilight fans are happy to stay in the series. They just keep re-reading the same books. While I read the HP series once a year(or just before one of the movies comes out), I read other things as well. It is like a yearly tradition.

I know ladies that have read Twilight series over 20 times. As soon as they finish Breaking Dawn they go back to Twilight.

[Lavanya]

I don't attend a public school, but when I did when I was younger. There is a significant difference between the two environments, for me. The public schools don't stress reading, and explain literature properly. They just assigned book reports and that was about it.

Thankfully my parents, well my father in particular, are fond of books, and they encouraged me to read. However, they only encouraged me to read nonfiction books. I had to pick up fiction books on my own, and I slowly began analysing literature.

When I switched over to the private school, I noticed that the teachers were actually encourgaing reading, and made us do a lot of reading for fun, for analysing, and for other educational purposes. Since the students at the private school had been there for a while, most of them could tolerate reading, which wasn't the case for the students at the public school.

I don't think there is a difference between public, private, or home school, but in my case there happened to be one. Either way, it doesn't matter, the fact of the matter is that some schools aren't placing enough emphasis on reading which makes the students less likely to appreciate it or enjoy it.

And Ivy, many people at my school hate to read (despite the emphasis teachers place on literature), and would rather play video games, watch TV/movies, shop etc. Also, in regards to your comment, most of the people at my school who started reading again because of Twilight have moved on to different books, including classics that are mentioned in Twilight. So, that's a good thing!

[Autumn]

Ok Beth. Thanks for the tranlation, I guess. I think people are refering to the way you phrase things. It's not that your opinion is different, just the way you address others' opinions.

About not seeing the truly great guys and seeing flaws. I have a small group of friends due me being able to see really great people. Part of that is due to my being in a wheelchair. So only sincere people gravitate towards me. I like Edward for several reasons besides his looks. He acts gentlemenly for the most part. I love his emotional mood swings. He has a cleaner sense of humor than about 7/8 of the guys at my school. So I see his good qualities and his flaws.


I also rarely re-read books unless they're amazing. I've only re-read Deathly Hallows once and never the other HP books. I have only re-read two of the Twilight series. After I read something I pick something else up.

And Ivy, an honors student can enjoy just classics assigned by the teacher.

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Um...where to begin?
Before I become very angry, I totally agree with you, Autumn.

Now I become very angry.

JEALOUSY is a normal 'human' emotion. Edward is JEALOUS Jacob; hence a more realistic story. Not being a selfless god, he is jealous of other guys having a relationship with his girlfriend. I think you would have a lot of trouble finding someone who wouldn't have even a wee bit of hard feelings for the other guy whom their practically-fiancee is in love with. Edward is pretty amazing on that count, actually.

Also, he is modest, so he is NOT think of leaving Bella in New Moon as something that would hurt her. He really is trying to save her, help her. How would he know that she was going to spiral into heavy depression? And - even if he did, he would have thought that was better for her.

If you think the only reason Edward and Bella like each other is because the other is hot and aromatic, that proves that you're too shallow to see past that.

Would you willingly damn your true love's soul? If so, I see your problem with Edward's hesitation in biting Bella.

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Clara wrote: "Um...where to begin?
Before I become very angry, I totally agree with you, Autumn.

Now I become very angry.

JEALOUSY is a normal 'human' emotion. Edward is JEALOUS Jacob; hence a more reali..."

Ooh. Sorry. Some of that was really rude.

[Bee]

Clara wrote: "
Would you willingly damn your true love's soul? "

"I can endure anything with you...even being burned by the fires of hell."

Most people would say they would willing damn their soul to spend eternity with the one they love. Especially when that person knows and understands the consequences of that action. My Hubby would never ask that of me, but he wouldn't have to. I am a strong, independent, confident woman who can make her own choices.

My main problem with all your arguments Clara is the point that Edward knows better. Last I checked Bella was a semi-intelligent liberated female. Edward doesn't know what is best for Bella, Bella does. He constantly treats her like he is all knowing and powerful.

The second point, it is amazing that Edward doesn't rip out Jacobs throat for talking to his woman? I have several close guy friends that I spend time with, but my husband is secure enough in our relationship that he trusts me never to cross the line. Because he knows if my friend tried to do something against my will I am capable enough to say no and get out of the situation. That is where Edward fails his trust in Bella.

How am I shallow? Because I think this love story is bogus? I know what love is, I have been in love twice in my entire life and in lust more times than I can count.

What Bella feels for Edward in Twilight is lust, then in New Moon it is obsession, in Eclipse she might know him enough to say she loves him, and in Breaking Dawn it is co-dependency.

Autumn- I am not trying to be mean. Edward isn't real. There will NEVER be a guy LIKE Edward. I know so many girls today say they wish they had an Edward. But really...they should be saying, I wish I had a Ben or a Mike. What was wrong with those two guys?

Have you ever read Love Story by Eric Segal. Please do. I read it when I was about your age, maybe a little younger. I think you will see what true love and sacrifice is after reading that.

[Laney]

TWILIGHT!!!! i started reading HP but it was pretty boring

[Kamberli]

Lavanya wrote: "I don't attend a public school, but when I did when I was younger. There is a significant difference between the two environments, for me. The public schools don't stress reading, and explain liter..."
Well Lavanya I don't attend public school either my mom pulled me out a while ago and is now homeschooling me.
I agree with you when you say that public schools don't stress reading enough! I have read both Harry Potter and Twilight and I think that both authors are amzing and the both pushed me!!!

[Lara]

Wow... that is a lot of information to take in....

On school: I am a senior and perfectly happy in my public school... I have been fortunate enough to have great English teachers who really push reading classics and analysing literature... especially in AP Literature (if you get the chance to take that class... do... it is truly enjoyable even if the work load is a bit high) although I have great English teachers I know about the stupid lazy teachers (they taught history and I love history but they ruinied it for me....) I even thought about studing Literature in College but I decided on foregin languages instead.

Edward: I pick and choose the qualities I want in a guy mainly (but not limited to) he is a gentleman... Edward was raised in a different time and in that time chivarly was not dead.... it is now but he still believes in it... I just want a guy that is a gentleman.... oh and the worship the ground I walk on wouldn't hurt :)

Reading: I think that is a good quality about both books.... they have caused more people to read them... Movies will never replace books for me and I constantly re-read books especially if I haven't found anything better to read or I just need a book in that moment that I have read so many times I can be reading a book for class at the same time and not get my stories crossed... (Funny side note.... I love books so much that my mom has to ground me from reading.... :D)

Beth: If you could refrain from swearing I would appreciate that greatly... I guess if you don't like first person then the whole Twilight series would be alittle less appealing.... it depends on my mood... in The Host... did you think there was more or less passion than in the other SM books??

I think that because people are reading less and the movies are "dumbing down" the books that is why people's vocabulary is about the same size as the first HP and only contain the genaric words that everybody uses. Now I am not saying that we should all go read the dictionary.... but reading has helped with an increase in vocabulary.... that is true with all the books that I have read.