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Twilight v. Harry Potter?
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Well, it is the truth, because Harry Potter characters speak funny, so can't ever figure out what they're saying!
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They don't speak funny. :/ It's just an accent...which pointedly I use to have, and miss it.
Sorry, that was my grouchy older sister! I think twilight is better though... I'm sorry you miss your accent!
I'm a fan of both Harry Potter and Twilight and, sadly, that does cause conflict in the book world for some bizzare reason. Just because JK Rowling made kids want to read does not mean people can undermine Stephenie Meyer. You are fooling yourself if you say Stephenie Meyer cannot write because in actual fact, she can, and I'd love to see the haters on here try and write something like Twilight with such finesse.
The whole point of fiction is that it's not real - duh - so, how can people have the nerve to criticise Edward 'sparkling' (a descriptor I have so much hate for) or even bash the whole concept of Vampires as a whole when it's not supposed to be factual.
Stephenie Meyer may not have created her own world and written about magic but she did enthrall millions (no hyperbole) to get excited about the brilliant fantasy genre. JK Rowling and Stephenie Meyer are polar opposites - the comparison of them is futile because they're two completely different concepts.
The childish people are the ones who actually sit here and mock Stephenie and say she can't write when it's blatantly obvious she can. I'd love to see some of the jackasses on here make the NY Times bestseller list, let alone write a book.
In conclusion: stop comparing them. It's ridiculous.
I don't mind twilight but if u r going to compare them then Harry Potter makes twlight look stupid and the characters look shallow. I am willing to defend my position against anyone who disagrees. HARRY POTTER DESTROYS ANY OTHER BOOK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kayley wrote: "I don't mind twilight but if u r going to compare them then Harry Potter makes twlight look stupid and the characters look shallow. I am willing to defend my position against anyone who disagrees. ..."I disagree that Harry Potter destroys any other book. The Redwall series by Brian Jacques is a quality series. I understand you like Harry Potter, but there are some other good ones out there.
Kimber~!! wrote: "Really, Harry Potter isn't everything people!"Finally, someone who agrees with me about that. Harry Potter is boring. If you want real action go the Redwall books, animals doing battle in the Medieval times ;)
To the person who said to try writing a book...I am. 459 pages so far, and I really didn't like the Redwall series. I really just hate books that have animals as main characters unless it's The Sight by David Clement-Davies, then I'll read it.
animaldisneyreaderfan4lyfe7 wrote: "Kimber~!! wrote: "Really, Harry Potter isn't everything people!"Finally, someone who agrees with me about that. Harry Potter is boring. If you want real action go the Redwall books, animals doing..."
i agree too!:)
Kayley wrote: "I don't mind twilight but if u r going to compare them then Harry Potter makes twlight look stupid and the characters look shallow. I am willing to defend my position against anyone who disagrees. ..."I disagree (and I prefer Twilight over HP).
I like Harry Potter but it's hardly the greatest thing I've ever read. You are, of course, free to consider it the greatest thing you've ever read; it's all about your own connection to the book.
Natalie wrote: "To the person who said to try writing a book...I am. 459 pages so far, and I really didn't like the Redwall series. I really just hate books that have animals as main characters unless it's The Sig..."You have something against animals
No I just don't like reading in their POV...trust me I have 9 animals in my house...I don't think I'd pull off being an animal hater. I have a boa in my room, and I love her very much...so no I just don't like books with animals as the main characters. :/
Natalie wrote: "No I just don't like reading in their POV...trust me I have 9 animals in my house...I don't think I'd pull off being an animal hater. I have a boa in my room, and I love her very much...so no I jus..."Well, your opinion... You're just the only person I've met so far that doesen't care for the Redwall series. I'm not saying you have to,
I just love animal characters mainly because I'm a big animal person and it's fun to get into their heads a little, even if it's fantasy
My opinion about what? That I dislike the books. :/ And yeah I'm not big into the Redwall series...I do like his other books though, so yeah it's just the animal thing. I find, for me, that it's a little hard to get into an animal's perspective.
I don't think I've ever read anything in animal POV (unless you count supernatural humanoid animals), but it doesn't sound like something I'd be into.
animaldisneyreaderfan4lyfe7 wrote: "I just love animal characters mainly because I'm a big animal person and it's fun to get into their heads a little..."hey, that just made me want to recommend some of my favorite books from animals' pov- you may have read them, or have no interest, but just in case:
for younger kids:
bunnicula
mrs. frisby and the rats of nimh
for about any age:
black beauty
the call of the wild
white fang
for older readers:
animal farm
Wait, Animal Farm is in animal POV? LOL, I did not realize this.
I've been wanting to read that. I take back what I said about having no interest in animal POV.
I've read Animal Farm, b/c my school forced it on me, but i enjoyed it. Read Bunnicula when I was a little dork, and the two Jack London books, since I have a giant love for dogs and wolves. :D
Diane *Ahnnihilate* wrote: "Wait, Animal Farm is in animal POV? LOL, I did not realize this.
I've been wanting to read that. I take back what I said about having no interest in animal POV."
well, actually, most of those are kinda on the line, really. I think the only one that's first-person animal pov is black beauty...and maybe bunnicula. the others are third-person, but they pretty much stick with the animals' experiences, not the humans...but animal farm is great!
Natalie wrote: "I've read Animal Farm, b/c my school forced it on me, but i enjoyed it. Read Bunnicula when I was a little dork, and the two Jack London books, since I have a giant love for dogs and wolves. :D"I LOVED the bunnicula series as a little dork! :)
another one I loved was julie of the wolves- it really gets into sort of the pack mentality...it's for younger readers, but if you really love wolves, I'd still recommend it...
Kirby wrote: "Diane *Ahnnihilate* wrote: "Wait, Animal Farm is in animal POV? LOL, I did not realize this.
I've been wanting to read that. I take back what I said about having no interest in animal POV."
well,..."
I see. Thanks, I'll add it to my list. :)
Oh my god...I love Julie of the Wolves. :D Sadly I can't find those books anywhere at my bookstore. :( I'd buy the whole series if they had a boxset or someting.
Natalie wrote: "Oh my god...I love Julie of the Wolves. :D Sadly I can't find those books anywhere at my bookstore. :( I'd buy the whole series if they had a boxset or someting."wasn't it a great book?! I don't think I ever read the sequel (were there more than 2? you seem to be saying there were...how many?) b/c it wasn't w/ the wolves anymore, was it? but I read the first one about 100 times! and I remember trying out the canine psychology stuff on my dogs- don't think it ever worked, though! XD
Twilight series are good while Harry Potter series are EXCELENT! They're different, I enjoyed both but as good as twilight is, never in a million years will be near as amazing as harry potter books... well, actually no other book can stand up to harry potter
Kirby wrote: "Natalie wrote: "Oh my god...I love Julie of the Wolves. :D Sadly I can't find those books anywhere at my bookstore. :( I'd buy the whole series if they had a boxset or someting."wasn't it a great..."
Yeah there was 3 I think...2 in Julie's POV and one in the wolves POV. I use to own them, but sadly I don't know what happened to them.
I think your statement is too general... I understand that you like HP but it doesn't destroy any other book... there are really and I mean really good quality books that you can't possibly compare with Harry Potter.
harry potter is waaaaaaay betterit actually has a plot and isn't just filled with gay
romance
also stuff actually HAPPENS in HP unlike twilight where everything revolves around bella
the HP movies are better, tha actor are better unlike in twilight : kirstin Stewert cannot act
BTW there are way better vampire/supernatural books out there so i don't know why everything always gets compared to TWILIGHT
Marlette wrote: "Harry Potter is a work of genius! It is lessons in life presented with lovable, sometimes scary, characters, fabulous circumstances, settings you can envision in your mind. Twilight is a mind-num..."I COMPLETLY AGREE!!!!!!!
Rachel wrote: "animaldisneyreaderfan4lyfe7 wrote: "Kimber~!! wrote: "Really, Harry Potter isn't everything people!"Finally, someone who agrees with me about that. Harry Potter is boring. If you want real acti..."
Thanks!
I think that Twilight and Harry Potter are really good in their own ways. I went through a crazy-preteen-twilight-obsessed stage in sixth grade, and even though I no longer read the series in a constant loop, I'll always like the books. Harry Potter is also great, because it's very well written and creative. They're very different, and both very good, especially depending on what kinds of books you like to read.
My opinion would be that you CANNOT compare the books since they're totally irrelevant with each other. One is about love and the other is about friendship (to put it in a few words) but if I had to choose one I'd say Harry Potter... not because it's better or because it has a better meaning and story to tell but because when in the world of Harry Potter, no matter how many times I've been there, I'll always adore it and see it as if it were the very first time :)
I'm going to let these quotes by Stephen King and by Stephenie Meyer herself on the topics do the talking. And just note that I am also a Twilight fan but think that you couldn't possibly compare anything to Harry Potter:Stephen King: 'Harry Potter is all about confronting fears, finding inner strength, and doing what is right in the face of adversity. Twilight is about how important it is to have a boyfriend'.
Stephenie Meyer: 'The interesting thing about the comparison is that I think you can compare my fans to her fans more easily [than me to her]. I do think that we both have people who are just really really enthusiastic, and will come miles to see you and be involved, and everybody really cares about our characters. But the [’Harry Potter’ and ‘Twilight’] stories are just so different.”
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“J.K. Rowling’s audience is everybody, so that means we all have a piece of her audience,” Meyer laughed. “It’s terribly flattering to be compared to her, but there’s never going to be another J.K. Rowling; that’s a phenomenon that’s not gonna happen again.”
You know another thing I've noticed in the difference between the two series, and this has nothing to do with the actual books, but if you disagree with a Potterhead you can have a reasonable mature discussion about it, but disagree with a Twihard and you will be annihilated! It has happened to me several times on here (I'm not talking about this particular post)and I'm sick to death of it. I am a fan of both but have a massive preference for HP. Potterheads just seem to have more of a maturity in responding to discussions. I'll probably be slated again by a Twilight fan for this, and I'm not by any means stating that ALL Twihards are like this.
The point of having a book discussion is that it is a discussion and nobody should be berated for their thinking on a subject.
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I saw this post and could not resist discussing. There is absolutely no comparison to be made between Twilight and Harry Potter. Though I like both books, if I had to choose between which book to take on a deserted island, it would be for sure Harry Potter(any of them). The stories are completely different. How is anyone making any comparison! When Harry Potter came out I was the same age as the character. As cheesy as it sounds, it feels like I grew up with Harry, Ron, and Hermione. All of the characters in Harry Potter are very well developed and have depth. With Twilight, I still feel like I have no connection to the other characters. While I love both books I just don't think you could compare them. It is like apples and oranges, both are tasty but an apple could never be an orange and an orange can never be an apple.
well, I already would have (did?) picked twilight, but most especially if I were on a deserted island...that was my main complaint about the harry potter book I did read- it was too short and I finished it waaaay too quickly (same w/ percy jackson). so harry potter would be about the last book I'd choose for a deserted island...in that case I'd take les miserables or war and peace- something that'd last a while.
Kirby wrote: "well, I already would have (did?) picked twilight, but most especially if I were on a deserted island...that was my main complaint about the harry potter book I did read- it was too short and I fin..."The fourth Harry Potter book is over 700 pages long. It's just the first few that are a little short.
Kayla wrote: "Kirby wrote: "well, I already would have (did?) picked twilight, but most especially if I were on a deserted island...that was my main complaint about the harry potter book I did read- it was too s..."Kirby, did it not take you very long to read Harry Potter because you liked it so much?!! haha just kidding, but I have to agree with Kayla that the first 3 are not very long, and I am saying I would take all the books as a set, so I would definitely be entertained, thoroughly:) But to each his own
well, I think it was just too...simplistic? like, more like reading a kids' book (as I said, same w/ percy jackson- but no offense to either series, just not my cup of tea). BUT- do you guys mean that the later ones get less simplistic as they get longer? or is it the same writing style, just more of it?
if it's the former, I believe I'd give it another shot...
Well as the books progress, the writing gets more mature as the characters mature, and the first 3 books have foreshadowing in it that comes into big play in the last few, and honestly I really didn't realize how much you have to pay attention to the first few books to get what they're talking about in the last few ones.
Kirby wrote: "well, I think it was just too...simplistic? like, more like reading a kids' book (as I said, same w/ percy jackson- but no offense to either series, just not my cup of tea). BUT- do you guys mean..."
Define simplistic. Book 1-3 are much more subdued, whether I would label them Kids books...not so much. Harry Potter I believe is young adult, but so is Twilight. I think that is what you get when you read a young adult book. BUT HP books 4-7 get progressively darker. How far did you end up getting? If you haven't read the whole series then you need to finish before saying that it is simplistic or too short. It is 7 books that combined have almost 3500 pages! To me I think Twilight was simplistic. I mean that in the way that creatively it isn't nearly as in depth. It isn't a complete world that Stephanie Meyers created. (At least to me it didn't feel that way) J.K. Rowling created an entire secret world with magic. She came up with different creatures, spells, sports, food...etc. I could never come up with such creativity. I think you should give it another try! And just because a book gets longer, doesn't mean it is less simplistic, but I would say definitely more detailed, darker, complicated at times, and imaginative. Of course there is going to be the same writing style if it is the same author and same general plot... BTW I hope you don't feel I am discrediting your opinion. Because I do love Twilight! I do like a good debate though:)
shay- first of all, I don't feel like you were belittling me or anything, and secondly- I like a good debate, too! (though now you've put the pressure on me! :D)
well, I've been trying to look up the age harry potter is meant for, and have gotten a lot of different answers...but, the consensus seems to be (at least for the first ones) ages 8-11...so, it would seem that at least the first few actually are children's books, not young adult (like twilight- but trust me, those books have nothing to do w/ my thoughts about harry potter).
I'm not sure exactly what I mean by simplistic...it's been years since I read the first one (and just wasn't interested enough to seek out the rest- I'd probably have finished the series if they'd fallen in my lap, but they didn't), so I looked up the first one, and I'll try to use a few examples to explain myself.
"Mr. and Mrs. Dursley, of number four, Privet Drive, were proud to say that they were perfectly normal, thank you very much. They were the last people you'd expect to be involved in anything strange or mysterious, because they just didn't hold with such nonsense." or, "How very wrong he was," or the "Put-Outer." I don't know- I just hear in my head, like, an excited reading-to-a-child voice when I read this...just the phrasing and sentence structure seem...simplistic- by which I mean, overly simple (in the definition of "readily understood or performed").
now this in no way means that the story couldn't be quite complex and involved (of course including all the things you listed that rowling created). but I just find myself skipping over so many short choppy sentences like, "Mr. Dursley, however, had a perfectly normal, owl-free morning. He yelled at five different people. He made several important telephone calls and shouted a bit more," or, "Her black hair was drawn into a tight bun. She looked distinctly ruffled." and when the book's already short, it just doesn't live up to my expectations from a book...as an adult. I wish she had written them a little bit sooner, as I was passing out of that age range when the first one came out.
but, you know what? I'm gonna go ahead and add at least the next 2 to my to-read list and see how it goes...if they're still too child-like for me, maybe I'll start reading them to my niece! :)
I hate when people compare to different series."Beginning of Rant" These two series are complettely different from each other! They have different plots, different characters and just don't have anything to do with each other! Their both great series and should be left alone. This whole comparing Twilight to Harry Potter, comparing Twilight to the Hunger Games, Hunger Games to Divergent etc. NEEDS TO STOP! "End of Rant".
Well to me Twilight had some of the same sentence structure..simplistic and the use of some words was over used. Maybe it's b/c I never liked Twilight anyways, since the same basic plot was used before it. Interview with a Vampire, and Vampire Diaries, but those books made better use of that idea than Twilight did.
Kirby wrote: "well, I think it was just too...simplistic? like, more like reading a kids' book (as I said, same w/ percy jackson- but no offense to either series, just not my cup of tea). BUT- do you guys mean..."
The series definitely gets more serious and darker in the books to come. Lots of fights, deaths, etc. I'm not sure if that's what you meant by the books getting less simplistic, but I definitely couldn't imagine reading the later books in the series to young kids. :P
Kirby, I can see what you are saying, but since you did your research and found that the first ones are for ages then it would need to be in more simpler terms, would it not? Then wouldn't you be an adult reading a 'children's book?' I do have to say that I agree with Natalie in that I still feel that with Twilight that the sentence structure was just as simplistic, and Twilight is for an older reader. Really though, if you need a refresher read the first 3 and then give book 4 a try. The sentences you pointed out though, are what I would say setting the scene sentences. They are trying to build an image in your mind of how much the Dursley's like to be NORMAL. They never want anything to be unusual. To be honest books 1-3 were not my favorite of the series. I really enjoyed 4 and 6 the best. ( I love them all and could read them over and over, which I have:) I think you will be very surprised by how much you can enjoy Harry Potter. Especially if you just forget the 'age range' and let your imagination run wild! I am glad you are going to give it a second chance:)
@ Jimmy,
It has already been established by many that these books are entirely different, but it is still fun to discuss your likes and dislikes of books. If you are tired of the comparison of books then don't stumble upon the discussion.
Shay wrote: "since you did your research and found that the first ones are for ages then it would need to be in more simpler terms, would it not? Then wouldn't you be an adult reading a 'children's book?'"I'm sorry, I don't quite understand what you're saying here...
Kirby wrote: "Shay wrote: "since you did your research and found that the first ones are for ages then it would need to be in more simpler terms, would it not? Then wouldn't you be an adult reading a 'children's..."Oh I am sorry I must have erased some of my sentence. I was meaning; Since you found out that the first ones were for ages 8-11 then you would expect to find simpler context. So technically you are an adult reading a children's book. So as an adult do you expect a book made for 8-11 year olds to be complex? Does that make sense, I don't know if I am even making sense haha
harry potter was written by a mature writer and so was twilight;both writers are good in their own way
HARRY POTTER!!!!!! WITHOUT A DOUBTJ.K Rowling is such a better author than Stephanie Meyer - she seemed to be quite amatuer
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