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Twilight v. Harry Potter?
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May 30, 2009 04:16PM
Eugh...I don't know.
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Well, not everyone loves the Twilight books as much as you, Autumn O'Shea Swan...and even if you don't, then still.
I don't do crazy things though.
So I was asking myself why, after I have posted my opinion multiple times, do I come back again? Then it hit me, because I enjoy reading other peoples opinions and their views... it gives me more perspective...The sparkling in the movie was terrible... and the sound effect that went with it... how lame can you get....
I didn't like the name change of the werewolves but I can sort of see the difference...
Ivy... I hope you do enjoy Midnight Sun... it really is more refreshing then the other books...
Lara (Emmett is MINE!!) wrote: "So I was asking myself why, after I have posted my opinion multiple times, do I come back again? Then it hit me, because I enjoy reading other peoples opinions and their views... it gives me more p..." I totally agree with you that the sound effect for the sparkling was lame!! but I think they did a great job with the actual sparkling!!! anyways I also do love to read other people opinions!
I think that Twilight was a better book and that it shouldn't have been made into a movie... Harry Potter did make a good movie though...
They did better with HP in the movies. I mean...the sparkling sucked..There are just no other words for it. I do like reading others' opinions, and trying to get them to see mine.The whole point of a vampire is someone who drinks blood. Okay, I'm copying the definition from my Webster's: "vam'pire n. 1 Folklore person who lives by sucking the blood of others 2 bat that lives on other animals' blood: also vampire bat"
Now that is the definition. And her vampires fit the bill. Anything else in myths was optional and added to make people scared. She didn't change what a vampire is. She just made us think about steriotypes.
I never thought we could sterotype a myth before... I guess you are right...
For now. I actually have heard of vampires being gorgeous several times. I read City of Bones and City of Ashes by Cassandra Clare and her vampires are gorgeous. They're more traditional, but still. Also in all the Underworld movies. At least, the girls are all pretty, even the older ones.And obviously there are going to be some steriotypes. No one can leave them all out, and she wasn't nessecarily lustful. She didn't really think about sex until her dad had mentioned it.
Autumn O'Shea Swan wrote: "I don't do crazy things though. "....I dont get it.
Oh, you mean the crazy things that people do? Or the fact that it's so popular?
I actually always thought that vampires were beautiful... I totally get the Bella sterotype and I don't like that sterotype much but to some degree (nowhere near that excessive) I am like that. There was deffinately lust on her part. I know there was some on mine... but I guess I am just like that...Go see the movie... I didn't like it but i still watch it and spend the entire time talking about why I don't like it... I know call me crazy.... Let us know what you think of the movie...
Just let us know....
Ivy wrote: "I, actually, haven't seen the movie. I'm going to sometime... A friend, who also doesn't like Twilight, and I are planning to watch it soon, for some reason... :)Okay, everyone's missing my poi..." That's why SM wrote it is because it was different! Everyone writes vampire books about how they have the fangs and sleep in coffins but SM is different! just like JKR she wanted to be unique!
I totally didn't mean to blame Charlie at all. I'm just saying that it wasn't a priority of hers. Everyone is lustful to a degree. Even the tiniest, like just wanting a baby. Point is, it wasn't what she was thinking about all the time.
But the thought was on her mind quite a bit... I don't think she really thought about it for awhile because she didn't know what would happen... and she had never been romantically interested in anyone before....
Yes, but I think about sex a lot even though I've never been in a relationship. But that is normal. And Lara, you are making me corrupt. Ha ha. The only time I recognized those thoughts were "Do you know, think of me in that way?"-Bella. And then in Eclipse and Breaking Dawn.
The fact that she asked proves the fact that she had at least thought about it... hey you asked to be corrupted...
Well, I didn't have an issue. Yes, Lara, I asked to be corrupted. Actually that happened by itself. Anyways, if people have an issue with that sort of thing, then they shouldn't read it. I didn't like Jacob's POV. It was boring and he's so whiny. I didn't know about the book being split in three parts, so I didn't expect that. But I diligently read through his whining and childness like a good Twilighter. I did love the last chapter though. And when Edward heard Renesmee's thoughts. I loved that. And also the passion in which Edward saved Bella...SighHow is he unpure? Besides killing some people, and let's face it. He was killing the bad guys like the ones that would have hurt Bella in Port Angeles.
Autumn O'Shea Swan wrote: "Well, I didn't have an issue. Yes, Lara, I asked to be corrupted. Actually that happened by itself. Anyways, if people have an issue with that sort of thing, then they shouldn't read it. I did..." And you said that Edward killed people to so he was a little impure but you said he killed the bad guys! You are exactly right! and people can use that against him all they want but he quit because he felt horrible about it!
That's like the only impure thing about Edward. And yes, he did feel terrible about it. He asked Carlisle to "take care of" those bad guys in Port Angeles because he didn't think he could handle it. He didn't want to be a monster.
Not kill, just take them someplace where they would be found and caught.He is NOT a spy. He can't help hearing people's thoughts, he tries to tune them out. And he's genuinely interested in what Bella thinks, so it's weird not automatically knowing. It's against his gift.
On the topic of stalkering. Stalkers are trying to hurt the person they're following. He never intended to harm her.
I could say that Romeo is creepy, too then. Hello! Peeping tom! Eavesdropping, looking at her while she's in her nightgown, and just standing below her window like that! Ugh. I'm sorry, but I just don't see how it is creepy to watch someone sleep. It's like finding chocolate creepy, or watching your pet sleep.
On the matter of safety. He tried to stay away from her at first...and yes he eventually can't stand it, but she also wanted to be with him.
It doesn't seem that creepy to me.
I think that twilight is for readers who actually are interested in other peoples love lifes.
What? I can't understand that comment. Are you saying that you didn't like them?
About Edward watching Bella sleep... yeah, that WAS creepy. How would your feel if a guy you have known for a couple of weeks climbed into your room through your window and watched you sleep every night without you knowing?And about stalking... I'm pretty sure you don't have to have malicious intent in order to be considered a stalker. Following someone when they go shopping and watching them when they sleep is stalking.
Aaaaaaand on the topic of what IS a vampire... I think we all agree that vampires a monsters, right? In my opinion a monster is something that lurks in your deepest fears and that keeps you from sleeping at night? Well, does something that sparkles keep you from the land of Nod? I don't think so, unless you have had a bad experience with fairies. When I read Dracula in 4th grade at night I kept my blanket above my neck beacuse of fear of vampire bites. To this day I still feel uncomfortable with my neck exposed while sleeping. I can't say that the twilight Volturi had any similar affect on me.
Ravenclaw26 wrote: "About Edward watching Bella sleep... yeah, that WAS creepy. How would your feel if a guy you have known for a couple of weeks climbed into your room through your window and watched you sleep every ..."Well excuse me, Miss Know-It-All Not all of us think vampires are monsters. I know I don't. I have a cardboard life size Edward (he def has a presence) watching me at night and I don't get creeped out.
Sorry if you think I sounded like a Know-It-All :-(I can't sleep with something watching me. Yesterday, I was re-organising my shelves and this one book, Bogus to Bubbly, had a face on it and it creeped me out so much I had to move peeps on front of it before I went to sleep that night. About monsters... I think Vampires are monsters. Have you read about the Silver Bloods in Blue Bloods, the Strigoi in Vampire Academy, or DRACULA... or any other vamp novels. Think about the Vamps in those. Also, if you ask any person to give you some examples of monsters they will probably say VAMPS, werewolves and zombies along with others.
Sorry about the caps, I want to underline words but I'm not sure how to html it so... yeah.
Yes I have read them, and honestly, did you not understand the whole different types of vampires? In Blue Bloods and Vampire Academy, some of the main characters are vampires, good vampires.
Um, I don't think Ravenclaw sounded like a Know-It-All. If you read (which I haven't much, but enough to get the jist of it) about the original vampire stories (that featured vamps no one tweaked to their liking), the vampires didn't sparkle and write love poetry to humans--they ate them. :DRavenclaw, I honestly have not read Dracula, but I agree with your statement on the Volturri. There are some bad guys in books that make me cringe and look around the room a few times. But sadly, I have to admit, I was sorta rooting for the Volturri... ;)
niamh wrote: "Helkat14 - ok rose and hugo or what ever are fin but i dont think snape would like the idea of harry naming a kid after him. good guy or bad guy he didnt like harry . "
okay comment on niamh. i think snape did love harry in his own way. i dont think he liked having to protect him or whatever it was that he did. snape was pretty much inlove with harry's mother for crying out loud! he made a choice between keeping lily's son a live or leaving him on his own with no one on the outside to help him. yeah snape turned out to be a double agent or whatever it is that you call it, but he did care about harry because he was a part of lily. he hated harry because he ended up like his father james.
Autumn,Yes, there are some good vampires, but my point is that there are monstrous ones too. Also, all the vampires are cursed with, well, vampirism. If they get mad at you they should scare you- even if they are "good guys". Glittering lowers the scare factor for me.
In the other books it is ok with me if there are living or different vamps because there still are monstrous vamps.
In twilight there is only one type of vampire, so that one should be a monstrous type (and I don't mean personality wise). However, they glitter and sparkle away.
Another problem I have with Meyerpires is that apparently Edward can.. um.. "do it". In order to "do it" he has to... um... "get it up". (this topic is making me cringe) In order to do that he has to have a circulatory system... and because of that he is prettymuch alive while Meyer's telling everyone he's undead. Then she goes on claiming the "vampires" are incubi... what? She has serious species definition problems. Are the meyerpires vampires or incubi? Are they alive or undead? Are the werewolves werewolves or shapeshifters?
I din't get that part either- what was the point in that?! -But that's off topic right now.
And Ivy, I decided to take that "Know-It-All" comment as a compliment because Hermione was considered one :D
Well apparently no one read Meyer's explanation on her site. It was too complicated for her to explain her vampires' anatomy in the books. It just didn't fit in with the plot. But she does make a lot of sense. And why does everyone have to be so negative about it? Seriously! Give it a break! In writing and mythology, there are no rules.
Actually, I have read some of her comments on vampire anatomy on her site because someone gave me a link. She says that instead of blood the sparklepires/meyerpires have venom. "OK", the BD haters say,"So why didn't Bella become a vamp from the inside during "special hug time"? (LOL, got that from Dan's Blogging Twilight) And Steph goes" well... um... it's not exactly venom- it's like venom- but it's not!" And the BD haters are thinking "Or you just didn't think it through"- but wait! They have another argument "So- if not-exactly-venom circulates through their veins then their heart is beating, right?" And Steph's response is that Eddie is some kind of incubus so he doesn't really need to "get it up" with circulation. THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE. An icubus either "special hugs" with a living man to steal theirs sperm or "special hugs" with a succubus (female incubus) who had "special hugged" a living man so he can get the sperm. And seeing how Eddie is a virgin- this is not possible.She could have fit in vamp anatomy in the plot easily. During the pregnancy Carlisle could have said "I think you got pregnant because eddie's non-venom sperm." You know? She always uses him to explain EVERYTHING, so this is perfect for him
And we are negative about it because, quite frankly- WE DO NOT LOVE TWILIGHT!
FYI: There are not exactly rules, but as a writer you have to have boundaries. For example, you can not turn a dragon into a purple mushroom that tastes like chicken.
Is it really even necessary to compare the two whe you really can't compare them? Harry Potter beats Twilight, I don't care what you say, Harry Potter beats it. It IS the best fantasy book series and it WILL be a classic. Twilight will hopefully just fade.
Samantha wrote: "of corse harry potter will always be in are hearts but twilight has stolen are hearts witht the amazingly untouchable edward and brittle bella nothing could compare with how myer wrote in to such d..."Special moments together in which it is shown that Bella literally cannot survive without Edward. I made it through the second book but no further. As I recall, the entirety of the second book was basically Bella seeing NO meaning in life without Edward. Is this really the ideal you want? Whatever happened to the independent woman?
The Twilight series cannot be compared to Harry Potter, only contrasted. I don't know WHY it is so popular. I honestly wish it had never cropped up. Seriously, a werewolf falls in love with a baby after an emergency c-section is performed with vampire teeth. This is beyond my ability to suspend disbelief.
Also, mormons.
Katrina:Yeah, I can imagine grandparents passing down the story of Harry to their grandkids. However, if I was a grandkid and my gram gave me a book about a vamp she had crushed on I would hide it in a corner of my room and hope to never see it again, for fear of disturbing images. *is shuddering even now*
LOL Caleb, Breaking Dawn in a nutshell XD
LoL Katrina!!! I love the point you make there. Harry Potter is something I am already having fun sharing with my own daughter, and it would be great if she enjoyed it enough to pass down to her kids.
I read one page of Twilight. That's all. HARRY POTTER IS THE BEST!!!!!!!! AISFBAJKLEBNF.Even the movies are A BILLION TIMES BETTER.
I don't feel like using large, college level words to describe Twilight and Harry Potter. I think typing like a 15 year old will suffice, right? Needless to say, Harry Potter is a good book for people of all ages. I read it when I was in second grade. Now, I still like it. I figuratively barf whenever I hear Twilight. Meyer can NOT write. What so ever. I can write better than her, and I'm TWELVE.
And Harry Potter is about werewolves, too.
GO harry potter!!!
Harry Potter automatically wins...sorry, but there's just not much competition with these books.
I LOVE THEM BOTH SO MUCH!! Vampire books are amazing, though i dont like bella all tht much! but HP is a classic that i have been reading forever so i can't make that decision!
I read HP before Twilight; first is always the best, that doesn't mean twilight is not good, it lacked action and thrill. Otherwise it was good.
I am both a twilight fan as well as a harry potter fan but how are they a like? Why are they being compared? yes they are both teen fiction. Put that out of mind. One's about wizards, the other about vampires/werewolves. One from a girl perspective, the other from male. One has plenty of romance the other doesn't until later in the series. No, they don't deserve to be compared. They are each different. Both of them amazingly well written.
TWILIGHT ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!!!!! wo0t wo0t!!! ;-)
HARRY POTTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! x5000000000
but,to be fair, before it became a movie that everyone decided they had to make fun of, Twilight was really really good.but, not HP good. i mean, come on.
Lia wrote: "TWILIGHT ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!!!!! wo0t wo0t!!! ;-)"Any reasons??
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