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Twilight v. Harry Potter?
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May 23, 2009 08:40AM
Autumn... you say it so well... I agree... I don't think there is much more for me to say....
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Ivy wrote: "Okay, I'm not quite sure if this will all make sense, but here I go!
Magic is not something I like, but I do enjoy it in fantasy stories only. It was very interesting that Harry had a part of Vol..."
yes that exactly wat i am trying to say. and maybe just killing off one of the cullens in the last book it would have made a dramatic ending with sadness. One of my fav TV shows is Buffy the Vampire slayer and it does kill off many characters to make it dramatic and REAL in a war not everyone lives it's not only the bad guys who die.
Magic is not something I like, but I do enjoy it in fantasy stories only. It was very interesting that Harry had a part of Vol..."
yes that exactly wat i am trying to say. and maybe just killing off one of the cullens in the last book it would have made a dramatic ending with sadness. One of my fav TV shows is Buffy the Vampire slayer and it does kill off many characters to make it dramatic and REAL in a war not everyone lives it's not only the bad guys who die.
Gotta say twilight...I mean, I knwo its this huge chick flick and everything, and that Stephanie Meyers just wrote what people wanted to hear. But hey, is that so bad? I thought it was great, the writing wasn't anything special but the plot got me engaged, My favorite of all 4 has to be Breaking Dawn, and wat I've read off of the internet (250 pgs) of Midnight Sun is 'iffy' I didn't enjoy it that much.But despite the flaws, twilight is an amazing, inspiring book, and indeed, I do love it. Just another crazy fan. =P
To you. Not for all of us. Like I said before. Fairy tale for teens. That's why no good guys were killed. Although, I have to admit that I wish someone had taken a bite out of Caius. Ugh, I wanted to rip his head off. (imagine me as Alice ripping James head off, only me ripping Caius' head) That was dissappointing, but I still love it.Anyone remember the reference of theMercant of Venice? I haven't read it, plan to, but apparently that's what happened in that too. Getting geared up for a fight, and than no fight. That is where SM got the idea from.
Yes, and Jane. Ugh, she would be my sister as a vampire. Ugh, that' creepy. I did not know that it was a comedy. I still plan on reading it, but Shakespeare is at his best when he did his tragedies. However, only he can pull off the tragic endings. And Twilight wasn't supposed to be tragic.
What? Can't stand to have people disagreeing with you?
Most of you need to get a life. Stop criticizing the other series and appreciate each for what it is-a fun book that has got many people to begin reading.The worst part is how many on here criticize each other-like the one lady making fun of the girls spelling-how low can one person get?
Kelsey you said that Twilight is stupid because SM never lets anything bad happen and real life doesn't happen that way! Well half the things in Harry Potter wouldn't happen in real life either! So maybe JKR likes battles and SM doesn't! that doesn't make one book better than the other!
Autumn O'Shea Swan wrote: "To you. Not for all of us. Like I said before. Fairy tale for teens. That's why no good guys were killed. Although, I have to admit that I wish someone had taken a bite out of Caius. Ugh, I w..."lol, percisely! (i suck at spelling...) I enjoyed Breaking Dawn but the ending was disappointing, I mean, they build up this whole plot over 4 long books, and no one is killed. no one is hurt (besides that one sister....what was her name, irana? sorry, i read the boo awhile ago). So, basically you get all worked up, they go over and over how the people are standing, and bam, there's a compromise. I would've liked to see Edward get hurt and Bella 'come to the rescue' maybe someone in the 'intermediate' family die? get serverely hurt? SOMETHING! Maybe Jasper...lol. I know I sound like a freak saying I love the book (yadda yadda) and now I'm saying the complete opposite. Both are true though. I think it's because if you read a book fast, it almost always is good. (I read BD is about 3 days).
Kamberli wrote: "Kelsey you said that Twilight is stupid because SM never lets anything bad happen and real life doesn't happen that way! Well half the things in Harry Potter wouldn't happen in real life either! So..."all depends on opinion. I personally like twilight better. But you see, I would rather a battle. They are different authors, different plots, different writing styles. It's hard to compare them! You hardly can, they are so different!
I thought the ending the HP was anti-climactic too...but that's probably just me...
Personally, I think that it's a close call between the Twilight series and the HP series. I agree with Autumn O'Shea Swan with the fact that Twilight is like a fairy tale for teens. It plays out the whole true-love fantasy that every girl in the world has at some point, and puts it into words, which makes the series an amazing read - especially with the twist of a perfect vampire. Contrastingly, Harry Potter is basically about the classic good-versus-evil, but is extremely well-written, and keeps you absorbed and guessing. Most importantly, HP doesn't drag on. To wrap this up, I just don't think that Twilight and Harry Potter are comparable - they're just to close to call.
Harry Potter. No way in hell Twilight could ever come close. I liked those books, but Harry Potter takes all in every aspect. JK Rowling is a literary genius.
Kamberli wrote: "Kelsey you said that Twilight is stupid because SM never lets anything bad happen and real life doesn't happen that way! Well half the things in Harry Potter wouldn't happen in real life either! So..."
thats NOt wat i was saying harry potter is a fantisy and so is twilight. so of cource things wouldn't happen in REAl life but PEOPLE die in war it's not just bad guys to make it REAL
thats NOt wat i was saying harry potter is a fantisy and so is twilight. so of cource things wouldn't happen in REAl life but PEOPLE die in war it's not just bad guys to make it REAL
Julia wrote: "Harry Potter. No way in hell Twilight could ever come close. I liked those books, but Harry Potter takes all in every aspect. JK Rowling is a literary genius."
Completly agreed
Completly agreed
Kamberli wrote: "Kelsey you said that Twilight is stupid because SM never lets anything bad happen and real life doesn't happen that way! Well half the things in Harry Potter wouldn't happen in real life either! So..."
oya and SM has batttles to just really stupidly writen battles
oya and SM has batttles to just really stupidly writen battles
This is a thing one of my friends wrote. and i agree with all of this.
it is a review on Breaking Dawn
** spoiler alert ** Well, I can honestly say this is the worst book I have ever read in my entire life. (No, I didn't think it was possible when I read Twilight that any other book could suck that much, I stand corrected). First, lets begin with the positives:
-The pack dynamics. Jacob being Alpha was very interesting, I loved the Clearwaters.
-Leah and Jacob. I loved their relationship and how Jacob finally understands how Leah is bleeding inside. Damn, why couldn't he have imprinted on HER!?
So, let's begin with the loooonnnnnggggg list of negatives. (Yes, two positives, it sucked that much).
Where do I begin? Oh right:
-Naturally, the book starts with Bella complaining about the missile proof car Mister Controlling gave her. Even when people are looking at her car, she's terrified of the spotlight being put on her. *rolls eyes*
-The wedding was horrible. Not enough detail, and Bella didn't even look in a freaking MIRROR!
-Bella tells Jacob that she and his rival are going to have a "real" honeymoon? WTF!
-The wedding night! This is the ONE thing I've been looking forward to since the beginning, the one thing I knew that would make this series worth while. WRONG! Meyer gives virtually no detail but that Edward ripped the pillows. Okayyyy....
-The pregnancy. Meyer has said constantly that vampires can't have children. And now she just ditches her own rule completely. She thinks: Scratch that, I want to put in some type of plot so lets give Bella eternal happiness and a baby!
-Bella's transformation. Okay, we get you're burning. Could you actually show us how it feels and not tell us? And the hunting scene. Yawn. I felt as if I was watching some paranormal nature channel: "The vampire stalks its prey, turning precisely ten inches to the north, turning in a one-eighty and jumps. And did you see Edward's glorious hair?"
-Jacob. My favorite character in the Twilight series turns into a pedophile. I knew Meyer was going to ruin him.
-The name. Renesmee. That poor poor child! Why would you do such a crime to your own BABY?
-The Cullens. There was pretty much no mention of these awesome characters, and Alice turned into this one dimesional character who just likes shopping!
-The vampires. Uh, I thought special powers were rare?
-The fight and the fact that there was none. All the suspense, building, building, and then, no fight. Aro suddenly decides to be the good guy and leave!
And last but not least:
-The happy ending. Bella gives nothing and gets everything in return. Particularly, Edward and Jacob. You can't have both. You either choose your human life and Jacob or completely abandon them and live the rest of your life with Edward. You can't have everything you want. Meyer decided to reject every rule she'd created for herself and do everything in her power to give Bella a happy ending. Well, on the bright side, I'm finished with the hell Meyer has created, and I'm DONE with Bella and Edward! (No chance now of me reading Midnight Sun). I'm FREE!
it is a review on Breaking Dawn
** spoiler alert ** Well, I can honestly say this is the worst book I have ever read in my entire life. (No, I didn't think it was possible when I read Twilight that any other book could suck that much, I stand corrected). First, lets begin with the positives:
-The pack dynamics. Jacob being Alpha was very interesting, I loved the Clearwaters.
-Leah and Jacob. I loved their relationship and how Jacob finally understands how Leah is bleeding inside. Damn, why couldn't he have imprinted on HER!?
So, let's begin with the loooonnnnnggggg list of negatives. (Yes, two positives, it sucked that much).
Where do I begin? Oh right:
-Naturally, the book starts with Bella complaining about the missile proof car Mister Controlling gave her. Even when people are looking at her car, she's terrified of the spotlight being put on her. *rolls eyes*
-The wedding was horrible. Not enough detail, and Bella didn't even look in a freaking MIRROR!
-Bella tells Jacob that she and his rival are going to have a "real" honeymoon? WTF!
-The wedding night! This is the ONE thing I've been looking forward to since the beginning, the one thing I knew that would make this series worth while. WRONG! Meyer gives virtually no detail but that Edward ripped the pillows. Okayyyy....
-The pregnancy. Meyer has said constantly that vampires can't have children. And now she just ditches her own rule completely. She thinks: Scratch that, I want to put in some type of plot so lets give Bella eternal happiness and a baby!
-Bella's transformation. Okay, we get you're burning. Could you actually show us how it feels and not tell us? And the hunting scene. Yawn. I felt as if I was watching some paranormal nature channel: "The vampire stalks its prey, turning precisely ten inches to the north, turning in a one-eighty and jumps. And did you see Edward's glorious hair?"
-Jacob. My favorite character in the Twilight series turns into a pedophile. I knew Meyer was going to ruin him.
-The name. Renesmee. That poor poor child! Why would you do such a crime to your own BABY?
-The Cullens. There was pretty much no mention of these awesome characters, and Alice turned into this one dimesional character who just likes shopping!
-The vampires. Uh, I thought special powers were rare?
-The fight and the fact that there was none. All the suspense, building, building, and then, no fight. Aro suddenly decides to be the good guy and leave!
And last but not least:
-The happy ending. Bella gives nothing and gets everything in return. Particularly, Edward and Jacob. You can't have both. You either choose your human life and Jacob or completely abandon them and live the rest of your life with Edward. You can't have everything you want. Meyer decided to reject every rule she'd created for herself and do everything in her power to give Bella a happy ending. Well, on the bright side, I'm finished with the hell Meyer has created, and I'm DONE with Bella and Edward! (No chance now of me reading Midnight Sun). I'm FREE!
Kelsey wrote: "This is a thing one of my friends wrote. and i agree with all of this.
it is a review on Breaking Dawn
** spoiler alert ** Well, I can honestly say this is the worst book I have ever read in my e..."
I totally agree with most of your resons here...except...
Brides aren't supposed to look in a mirror before their wedding.
She was writing for kids and since some young children read these books she didn't want to get too involved.
it is a review on Breaking Dawn
** spoiler alert ** Well, I can honestly say this is the worst book I have ever read in my e..."
I totally agree with most of your resons here...except...
Brides aren't supposed to look in a mirror before their wedding.
She was writing for kids and since some young children read these books she didn't want to get too involved.
Clara Rosalie wrote: "Kelsey wrote: "This is a thing one of my friends wrote. and i agree with all of this.
it is a review on Breaking Dawn
** spoiler alert ** Well, I can honestly say this is the worst book I have ev..."
to involved ???? wat about the whole getting pregnant thing??? and i understand ur point but still
it is a review on Breaking Dawn
** spoiler alert ** Well, I can honestly say this is the worst book I have ev..."
to involved ???? wat about the whole getting pregnant thing??? and i understand ur point but still
Vedanti wrote: "I can't understand why people even like Twilight. It's so boring, meyer basically wrote what the people wanted to hear and that just ruined the whole book. In my opinian, there was no suspense at a..."
ya ik i cant understand it twilight sucked and there is noooo way to like it
ya ik i cant understand it twilight sucked and there is noooo way to like it
Kelsey wrote: "Vedanti wrote: "I can't understand why people even like Twilight. It's so boring, meyer basically wrote what the people wanted to hear and that just ruined the whole book. In my opinian, there was ..."Kelsey wrote: "Clara Rosalie wrote: "Kelsey wrote: "This is a thing one of my friends wrote. and i agree with all of this.
it is a review on Breaking Dawn
** spoiler alert ** Well, I can honestly say this is th..."
If there was no way to like the Twilight books, then those of us defending it wouldn't be here. And is there something wrong with at least trying to see why we like it? I mean, my friends like things that I don't, but I don't say "I don't get what you like about it." I listen to why they like it and try to see from their view. Like math. My friend loves it, I hate it. But I understand the enjoyment it gives her.
I do not like how young, elementary girls are reading these books though. The first one maybe, but they aren't mature enough to understand the rest. That is the parent's fault, not SM. She can't control who reads them. And it would be sort of weird writing about sex.
Ivy, what I meant about my sister was that she can be purely evil at times and remind me of Jane.
Autumn O'Shea Swan wrote: "Kelsey wrote: "Vedanti wrote: "I can't understand why people even like Twilight. It's so boring, meyer basically wrote what the people wanted to hear and that just ruined the whole book. In my opin..."
ya ik it isn't SMs fault
ya ik it isn't SMs fault
I'd also like to say that I was a skeptic at first. My friend was all obsessed and I didn't think I would like them. But I tried it. And now look where I am. I'm more involved than she is. And I've seen more vamp movies thanks to it. Without Twilight, I would not have been as interested in different vampire legends as I am now. I didn't exactly like scary stuff, and I still don't. But after reading these books, I've seen all three Underworld movies, and Van Helsing. Which all are about vamps and werewolves and rated R. And this is all because of my interest in vampires, and partly my love of myths and Dad thinking I'm grown up enough. I love it. So Twilight has brought more to my life than just reading enjoyment.
Autumn O'Shea Swan wrote: "I'd also like to say that I was a skeptic at first. My friend was all obsessed and I didn't think I would like them. But I tried it. And now look where I am. I'm more involved than she is. And..."
Well if u loved nyths so much u would have known that what SM said about vamps arn't wat the Vamp myth is.
Well if u loved nyths so much u would have known that what SM said about vamps arn't wat the Vamp myth is.
Autumn O'Shea Swan wrote: "I'd also like to say that I was a skeptic at first. My friend was all obsessed and I didn't think I would like them. But I tried it. And now look where I am. I'm more involved than she is. And..."
Oh, good job, it really did improve your life then.
Oh, good job, it really did improve your life then.
Sorry...I'll try not to be sarcastic anymore.
Ivy wrote: "Kelsey, Kasandra posted message 716, and I found it sort of offending. So I replied. :)
On that review, which I forgot to address in my last post: I only agreed with parts of it. This is what I..."
i didn't say there was no way for everyone to like twilight i said there was no way i COULD like twilight.
On that review, which I forgot to address in my last post: I only agreed with parts of it. This is what I..."
i didn't say there was no way for everyone to like twilight i said there was no way i COULD like twilight.
no well i ment there is no way for me to like it
Kelsey wrote: "Autumn O'Shea Swan wrote: "I'd also like to say that I was a skeptic at first. My friend was all obsessed and I didn't think I would like them. But I tried it. And now look where I am. I'm more..."I did know the basics about vamps, most people do. And what is wrong with twisting a legendary creature/person? Hmm? Authors do it all the time. Recently, many dragon stories have shown dragons as being good, when their original myths depicted them as bad. So why can't SM do the same with a vampire? And no one is making a fuss about the werewolves. Why is that?
Ivy, I'm not nessecarily proud to watch vampire movies, it's just something I wouldn't have know I would like. I didn't know until reading Twilight how interesting vampires are. And it's another thing I can do to bond with Dad. Of course he doesn't like Twilight, but he knows I like fantasy and particularly vampires now.
Okay... after reading all of that I must say that on the fight... I wouldn't have minded if it had turned into a fight but I think I would have died inside if anyone of the Cullens had died... I like how she did the sex... or absence of it... it made it so that those of us who don't wish to read that graphic stuff doesn't have to... it also leaves it to the imagination... I enjoyed the level of description... although personally I like more it forced the attention on to other things... of course Bella doesn't stop complaining... she is a teenager... I would like to hear of a teen that doesn't complain a large portion of the time...This is all just me... and I continue to read these posts not only for something to do.... (my life has slowed to an almost standstill) but because I truly enjoy trying to find a way to prove my point and to see what other people are saying about books that I loved....
Autumn O'Shea Swan wrote: "Kelsey wrote: "Autumn O'Shea Swan wrote: "I'd also like to say that I was a skeptic at first. My friend was all obsessed and I didn't think I would like them. But I tried it. And now look where ..."
but ur dragon point doesn't make sense in legends dragons r not said to be evil yes but they never say anything about them being able to change but with vamps what bothered me the most about how she changed the legend
1. Vamps can only be killed 1 by a stake through the heart 2 beheading them
2 There are NO good vamps UNLESS they have a soul. vamps r creatures without souls which means they dont have feeling for people and WOULDN'T decide to become a 'Vegetarian'
3 Vamps burn up and DIE in the sun they dont 'sparkle'. that was one of the stupidest things SM did in that book.
4. Vamps can't get people pregnant and even Ed said it. but still she did but of course SM didn't explain how cuz she didn't know herself she just wanted an interesting story and in her mind it was but no it DEFINITELY was not.
but ur dragon point doesn't make sense in legends dragons r not said to be evil yes but they never say anything about them being able to change but with vamps what bothered me the most about how she changed the legend
1. Vamps can only be killed 1 by a stake through the heart 2 beheading them
2 There are NO good vamps UNLESS they have a soul. vamps r creatures without souls which means they dont have feeling for people and WOULDN'T decide to become a 'Vegetarian'
3 Vamps burn up and DIE in the sun they dont 'sparkle'. that was one of the stupidest things SM did in that book.
4. Vamps can't get people pregnant and even Ed said it. but still she did but of course SM didn't explain how cuz she didn't know herself she just wanted an interesting story and in her mind it was but no it DEFINITELY was not.
1. Just because that is what everyone else says doesn't mean that it is true... I have heard that you have to sprnkle them with holy water and seal the pieces in a mirror lined box... whats the problem with changing things?? JKR changed the idea of a mermaid...2. Why can't a vampire have a soul?
3. Although I don't appreciate the "sparkling" idea... I do like the fact that they don't burn in sunlight... they can come out during the sunless days and interact with other people... to me, that was cool...
4. SM explained it... the male body doesn't change... a female body does... I found it interesting... especially how the characters reacted differently... besides what other catalyst would you have to bring the Volturri down on Forks?
Lara (Emmett is MINE!!) wrote: "1. Just because that is what everyone else says doesn't mean that it is true... I have heard that you have to sprnkle them with holy water and seal the pieces in a mirror lined box... whats the pro..."
the holy water thing is a TRUE myth 2 srry i just left that one out oops o ya and crosses.
vamps r soules bodys thats WHAT the definition of a vamp is a body with no soul also described with fanged teeth also described to die in the sun also said to only be killed 4 different ways and non other
to u it may be cool but think about it this way myths have been around for A VERY long time think about how long the bible has been around!!!! and yes myths HAVE been changed but not that drastically one person doesn't get to decide what happens with myths SM ruined many myths and these myths have been around for ever
it's like saying that god is no longer immortal because god is a myth (and i am not saying that god isn't immortal and i am not saying that i dont believe in god but myths r things that havn't been proven true)
the holy water thing is a TRUE myth 2 srry i just left that one out oops o ya and crosses.
vamps r soules bodys thats WHAT the definition of a vamp is a body with no soul also described with fanged teeth also described to die in the sun also said to only be killed 4 different ways and non other
to u it may be cool but think about it this way myths have been around for A VERY long time think about how long the bible has been around!!!! and yes myths HAVE been changed but not that drastically one person doesn't get to decide what happens with myths SM ruined many myths and these myths have been around for ever
it's like saying that god is no longer immortal because god is a myth (and i am not saying that god isn't immortal and i am not saying that i dont believe in god but myths r things that havn't been proven true)
Helkat14 wrote: "The media is having a field day comparing this series to Harry Potter. What do others think of this comparison?"I would like for those who compare the Harry Potter and Twilight series to stop comparing the books to each other. For one, they have no common topic, except werewolves, in common. The two series were written with two authors who had completely different goals in mind. The Twilight series was never supposed to be published for the common public to read. The author wrote her romantic fantasy for herself to enjoy and shared her books with a couple of friends. They enjoyed and encouraged the author to publish them and so she finally did. The Twilight series is meant for the younger romantic hearts, while Harry Potter series could be read by any aged person. I have read both series and like them very much. I personally thought the Harry Potter series was much more involved and better written, but I related to romance between Bella and Edward as well. Honestly, it is not about which is better, but if you can enjoy yourself reading and escape your own reality...cheers everyone...Rachel
Rachel wrote: "Helkat14 wrote: "The media is having a field day comparing this series to Harry Potter. What do others think of this comparison?"
I would like for those who compare the Harry Potter and Twilight ..."
right now we arn't conparing to... though we r supposed to
I would like for those who compare the Harry Potter and Twilight ..."
right now we arn't conparing to... though we r supposed to
Okay, on SM's website, she explains how a vampire can get a human pregnant. And it actually makes sense. It seems perfectly logical for this to happen. On subject of vampires and souls: What if someone is atheist? Not that I am, but it wouldn't matter. That is purely a religous example. Anyone read Peeps? I loved it. And it does contain more of your old vampire myths with twists that make sense. I agree that the sparkle thing was bit far, but without it, Bella and Edward would never have met.
The definition of a myth is, in my webster's dictionary; is a story explaining some phenomenon 2 a fictitious person or thing.
Now does what SM wrote not fit those definitions? No. SM's writing fits it just fine. And since you're saying that myths aren't proven true, then how can you assume that there is only one correct myth? Especially for fictional beings.
o ya and i was going to read peeps
Stephanie Meyer is treating the vampire myth, in her story, as something that was true but turned into a myth. For example: let's say a vampire lived in some county in Transylvania or wherever. The townspeople note:
1. People keep disappearing near them and when their dead bodies are found, there's no blood left inside them. (Sorry, that was rather grotesque.
2. They never go into the sunlight.
From this they figure that
1. They drink blood. According to SM, they were right.
2. They are burned by the sun. (What self-respecting townperson is going to guess that they sparkle?
So a legend gets started about vampires who drink blood and are burned by sunlight, which gets passed down to us and Bella. We don't know the 'truth'; the townspeople didn't know that and neither did we.
About the souls - this is probably a legend too. (According to SM, again.) Here's how they got this.
1. They drank blood. As in, they were sucking people's lives from them, if blood can be a metaphor for life. So, they need life so obviously this is lacking in them. Also, this could be likened to Jesus' blood, and they saw this as battling God somehow - hence, a devil. And they are defeating Him in the sense of, you can't save my soul as I do not have one. Please no one be offended by that one. I'm a devout Christian.
2. They were obviously not human, and they couldn't be angels because they drank blood.
3. They were 'burned' by the sunlight. If we may let the sun represent Christ, then we can see that this would be a metaphor for being hurt and destroyed by him - not on his side, of hell and not destined for heaven. Even in that sense they might say, "They have no soul."
4. They were obviously supernatural, and especially back then, anything supernatural was condemned and wicked, and anyone who practiced magic had no soul.
As for the dying thing: first of all, the beheading thing isn't too far of Stephanie Meyer's version. Secondly, all the holy water stuff comes naturally with the being burned by sunlight. Thirdly, the townspeople naturally wanted to have hope, to be able to beat the vampires somehow. They had to be mortal, to have a fatal weakness. (Most demons did have one in stories, anyways.)
I thought all the werewolf stuff was crap, though. She totally took the romance out of werewolves.
1. People keep disappearing near them and when their dead bodies are found, there's no blood left inside them. (Sorry, that was rather grotesque.
2. They never go into the sunlight.
From this they figure that
1. They drink blood. According to SM, they were right.
2. They are burned by the sun. (What self-respecting townperson is going to guess that they sparkle?
So a legend gets started about vampires who drink blood and are burned by sunlight, which gets passed down to us and Bella. We don't know the 'truth'; the townspeople didn't know that and neither did we.
About the souls - this is probably a legend too. (According to SM, again.) Here's how they got this.
1. They drank blood. As in, they were sucking people's lives from them, if blood can be a metaphor for life. So, they need life so obviously this is lacking in them. Also, this could be likened to Jesus' blood, and they saw this as battling God somehow - hence, a devil. And they are defeating Him in the sense of, you can't save my soul as I do not have one. Please no one be offended by that one. I'm a devout Christian.
2. They were obviously not human, and they couldn't be angels because they drank blood.
3. They were 'burned' by the sunlight. If we may let the sun represent Christ, then we can see that this would be a metaphor for being hurt and destroyed by him - not on his side, of hell and not destined for heaven. Even in that sense they might say, "They have no soul."
4. They were obviously supernatural, and especially back then, anything supernatural was condemned and wicked, and anyone who practiced magic had no soul.
As for the dying thing: first of all, the beheading thing isn't too far of Stephanie Meyer's version. Secondly, all the holy water stuff comes naturally with the being burned by sunlight. Thirdly, the townspeople naturally wanted to have hope, to be able to beat the vampires somehow. They had to be mortal, to have a fatal weakness. (Most demons did have one in stories, anyways.)
I thought all the werewolf stuff was crap, though. She totally took the romance out of werewolves.
Clara, I thank you for your last post. i don't get the romance with werewolves, but I'm glad with your explanations.
okay i am leaving this conversation because i have said everything against this and we seem to be back peddling there is no way 4 u guys to ever have some sense. i am not calling u senseless i am just saying that right now twilgiht ruins myths has horrible characters its plot could have been good but ended up not if u actually read most reviews on it u would see that ur points are meaning less and i find that u people dont know wat u r talking about.
Kelsy, its not meaningless to us... that is why we are here... and Ivy.. I think we are having fun...On the souls topic.. I could care less... I don't think that it matters much but it made for good argument between Bella and Edward. Also if they are living forever then it really doesn't matter.
Werewolves... how did you lose the roamnce in them... I liked the difference as apposed to the full moon bit... this was a changed that made sense and had an ancient tie to it...
Sparkling... yeah... didn't work too well for me either... although I don't think I like the being burned by the sun... that sounds too much like the Wicked Witch of the West scareaming "I'm MELTING!! I'm MELTING!!" that's just me... I would have found a new reason for them to avoid sunlight... also I don't think that them being indestructible was a problem... infact it made the newborn war stories so much more prominent... the fact that their lives didn't make it longer then a couple of years... plus they aren't indestructible... werewolves and other vampires can kill them... I wouldn't say that just because humans can't kill them doesn't mean that they aren't indestructible...
Finally the myth changing... I don't really care that they changed it... only the sparkling really irked me... but I think that it could have been a different creature except that the nomads wouldn't have been as potent if they weren't vampires... I think that and the struggle is why she chose vampires rather than create a new creature... but that is just me...
Ivy wrote: "I do have to say I'm having fun here. To me, this is partly to prove my points, and partly just to have fun with a good debate that I'm not going to get really upset over. Debating is one of my fa..."
I'm enjoying myself here as well.
I think the explanation is on the Breaking Dawn FAQ's.
The sparkling is weird, but remember it came from her dream - that might have been the puzzle-solving moment - he sparkles, he's a vampire - of course! That's why he avoids the sun!
The point I was trying to make was that Stephanie Meyer is writing on the premise of vampires being real and us having heard the legends created about them. I got sort-of carryed away having fun with that idea.
The werewolves...really bothered me. I've always liked that it ties in to the full moon, it seems mystical and magical and romantic somehow. And that it is something you can't help; you're a slave to it, and it'll come at this time exactly. It makes them feel more like wild animals, tied in with nature that way, and having to fight this. But it seems like that's just me.
I'm enjoying myself here as well.
I think the explanation is on the Breaking Dawn FAQ's.
The sparkling is weird, but remember it came from her dream - that might have been the puzzle-solving moment - he sparkles, he's a vampire - of course! That's why he avoids the sun!
The point I was trying to make was that Stephanie Meyer is writing on the premise of vampires being real and us having heard the legends created about them. I got sort-of carryed away having fun with that idea.
The werewolves...really bothered me. I've always liked that it ties in to the full moon, it seems mystical and magical and romantic somehow. And that it is something you can't help; you're a slave to it, and it'll come at this time exactly. It makes them feel more like wild animals, tied in with nature that way, and having to fight this. But it seems like that's just me.
Kelsey, I have read a LOT of reviews on it and most of them say more good on it than bad so I don't know what reviews your talking about!!! Anyways I think that everyone has an opinion and we have all stated them I don't think that you need to tell us that we dpn't know what we're talking about when I'm pretty sure that -obviously us Twilight fans have read more reviews on the book we love than you have- we do know what we are talking about!
I'm having fun as well. I find a sort of high trying to prove my points. I think the whole "shapeshifters" vs. "werewolves" was partly to keep them safe, and to shame Caius. Plus, it sort of hinted at werewolves, the ones Clara likes, are real. So many myths wrapped together.....Love it.The sparking was weird. But it bugged me so much when in the movie, I couldn't even see any sparkle. It was supposed to be traffic stopping bright. Ugh. But I do agree about it being weird. Clara, your explanations make sense. I'm glad you are my friend!
I love Midnight Sun. It just makes me feel sorry for Edward and love him more.
Kelsy, I haven't read any reviews for Twilight. I don't need to, because I know when I have read a good book. And it is really impolite to say that we don't know what we're talking about. I do know what I'm talking about. And I will continue to talk.
Annalisa wrote: "This is by the far the thing that aggravates me the most. JK Rowling is untouchable genius. From the first chapter she had the whole story laid out and even knows the background stories for minor..." I laughed for about 15 minutes. This is just a perfect way to sum up the overinflated twilight thing.
I don't agree. Fans are just showing their love for the books.
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