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Twilight v. Harry Potter?
The third was was a bit forgetable. I'll give you that. But my favorite was the last, even with the traumatic part in it and the sex. I truly believe that it doesn't matter if you get a degree in writing. Some people will like it and others won't. That's the way it is with all books. We see this again and again. I love Twilight, you don't, life goes on. Why are we even agrueing? No one likes all the exact same books.
I don't think J.K. Rowling's writing improved: just the series became darker.
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I think that SM did improve and that JKR did just make it more darker... one thing they both have in common is what I feel a too short Epilogue type thing... It ties things up nicely but still... I felt like I was left hanging and had to infer what happened....
Autumn wrote: I truly believe that it doesn't matter if you get a degree in writing. Some people will like it and others won't. That's the way it is with all books. We see this again and again. I love Twilight, you don't, life goes on. Why are we even agrueing? No one likes all the exact same books. I didn't mean to argue, exactly. I wasn't saying that people shouldn't like the series. I'm saying that I didn't like it, and I have a hard time seeing how it's comparable to Harry Potter. I just wanted to bring up my view. I knew that it would be controversial to say so, because there are so many fans of the book on this site, but it's always that way when there are screaming teenagers on board.
I just put out my honest, if somewhat harsh, opinion. But that's all it is--opinion.
That makes total sense... just make sure you back up all of your answers/comments.... then we can all see your point of view and argue back... : D
Rachel wrote: " Autumn wrote: I truly believe that it doesn't matter if you get a degree in writing. Some people will like it and others won't. That's the way it is with all books. We see this again and again. I ..."i wasn't agrueing with you Rachel. :D And it isn't comparable to HP in the sense that they aren't even close to the same topics and such. I totally agree that is all just opinion. :)
ummmm OK after reading this post I wonder if I should read Twilight LOL. I have read all the Harry Potter books several times and love all of them. My sister-in-law watched the movie for the first book then went and bought all the other books in the series. What I understand from her is that Twilight is basically a love story with nothing else to it. Is that true?
Can't we just agree they're both terrible?
Matthew wrote: "Can't we just agree they're both terrible?"Heck no! Neither series is terrible.
Meme wrote: "ummmm OK after reading this post I wonder if I should read Twilight LOL. I have read all the Harry Potter books several times and love all of them. My sister-in-law watched the movie for the first ..."In essence, yes it is a love story. But can you imagine being in love with a vampire? Who is trying to control his extra thirst for your blood? Lots of things going on.
Read it and make your own decisions... just start it with an open mind... if you want to love it, then love it... I know I do.... and if you don't we wont hate you for it...
Matthew wrote: "Can't we just agree they're both terrible?" Both series are amazing!!! both authors have amazing imaginations!!!
Meme, I agree with Lara. No two people will like the exact same books. I loved them, and I hope you do too if you read them. I've never loved the name Edward until I read these books. Now that's all I can think about. Twilight, Edward, Twilight :D Make you're own decisions without the peer pressure.
I think that girls should wait until high school, junoir high at the EARLIEST but still they do contain somethings that a younger audience wouldn't understand.... Ivy... what, in your opinion, pushed the immorality over the edge?
What immorals? It was about how nothing could stop true love and all that. I know that some of the girls my 11 year old sister knows have read them. I really don't like that. At least to read Twilight they should wait until like seventh grade. Breaking Dawn is definately high school stuff. I will have to make my mom swear not to get mad at me after she reads it...Anyways, I didn't notice any immorals. Just some more mature content.
ok first of Harry Potter was a good book. There is no douting that but Twilight takes the reader to a completely different world with in ours. Twilight has just been more interesting then Harry Potter to most of the readers.
Stephanie Meyer isn't afraid to make us sad. If you have read the hole series you would know that! In New Moon Edward Leaves and most people I know cryed and where very upset. In the fourth book some of my friends where really upset becuase of what Alice did untill they finished the book. So Stephanie Meyer isn't afraid to make her readers cry!
Jessica is RIGHT for sure! Harry Potter can beat twilight in any contest,anyday! If you guys know who Stephan King is, he said that Stephanie Meyer is a horrible writer, but J.K. Rowling is a great writer. Besides, the movies and books for H.P. are WAY better than the ones for twilight.
Both writers know how to play with our emotions... SM plays with the heart but JKR plays with adrenaline...
Bre!!: ) wrote: "Jessica is RIGHT for sure! Harry Potter can beat twilight in any contest,anyday! If you guys know who Stephan King is, he said that Stephanie Meyer is a horrible writer, but J.K. Rowling is a great..."I don't care what Stephen King says because his opinion doesn't matter in the slightest. No one should follow what a celebrity says because they are a celeb. And HP can't win every and any contest against Twilight. I hate it when people bring up the opinions of well known people. They have no influence over my opinions.
Noelle wrote: "Stephanie Meyer isn't afraid to make us sad. If you have read the hole series you would know that! In New Moon Edward Leaves and most people I know cryed and where very upset. In the fourth book so..."I love what you said! Hey, join my group Twifanatics if you want. We would love to have another member share their opinions.
I completely agree about the crying part. And the other worldlyness. More reasons to love Twilight.
Autumn O'Shea Swan wrote: "Bre!!: ) wrote: "Jessica is RIGHT for sure! Harry Potter can beat twilight in any contest,anyday! If you guys know who Stephan King is, he said that Stephanie Meyer is a horrible writer, but J.K. R..."I agree that what other people say won't matter to my opinion... you should make your own opinions... not let what someone else influence you...
Noelle wrote: "ok first of Harry Potter was a good book. There is no douting that but Twilight takes the reader to a completely different world with in ours." What do you think Harry Potter is? Harry thinks he's a normal kid in the world we live in before he discovers the witches and wizards living parallel to the 'muggle' world. Twilight does not take the reader to a completely different world. It's the same world with a slight twist. I think you have your stories confused.
"Twilight has just been more interesting then Harry Potter to most of the readers."
Many readers may not argue that Twilight is more interesting than Harry Potter. Speak for yourself, and not for other people whose opinions you are assuming belong a certain way.
That's just nonsense! Nothing can compare to Harry Potter. I mean it's the ultimate book series.Twilight isn't all that it's just another romance story.
Tshrgfhg wrote: "That's just nonsense! Nothing can compare to Harry Potter. I mean it's the ultimate book series"That's a matter of opinion, although book sales for Harry Potter have been record-breaking.
That is only because there are SEVEN not FOUR books in the series. Plus they have been out longer. Therefore people had to buy all seven books. Not just four. And I agree that we should speak for ourselves.
Autumn O'Shea Swan wrote: "That is only because there are SEVEN not FOUR books in the series. Plus they have been out longer. Therefore people had to buy all seven books. Not just four. And I agree that we should spe..."
Autumn, You say it so well so I will just add my resounding "AYE, AYE!" to your comment.
Lara (Emmett is MINE!!) wrote: "Autumn O'Shea Swan wrote: "Bre!!: ) wrote: "Jessica is RIGHT for sure! Harry Potter can beat twilight in any contest,anyday! If you guys know who Stephan King is, he said that Stephanie Meyer is a ..."The only reason Stephen King said that Stephenie Meyer is a horrible author is because he knows that her books are doing A LOT better than his!!! Stephenie Meyer has an amazing gift for writing!!!
What did you hate about Eclipse? Out of curiosity. Out of the four that one was the most forgettalbe other than Victoria's head being ripped off and Bella's engagement to Edward. Of course the feud between Edward and Jacob, but it was forgettable.He didn't let her do anything she wanted to do just to be happy. He didn't want her going to La Push because he didn't think it was safe. Then he decides that if she thinks it's safe, then he should trust her. He didn't quite understand that Bella wanted to have their baby, not just a baby. So if that's what it took to keep her alive, then he would endure it.
About the Stephen King thing, never even knew he was an author. What did he write? I probably won't read his books because of his lack in manners.
Twilight is the best and i love it but i like Harry Potter too.But I still LOVE Twilight more then Harry Potter.... :D
I am a devoted twilighter, but i have to admit Harry Potter wins. There's so much more dimension to the Harry Potter series compared to the Twilight Saga. The Twilight Saga is predictable and has lots of haters. The Harry Potter series is intriguing and worthwhile. JK Rowling is a more favourable and gratifying author than Stephanie Meyer.
Speak for yourself please. The Harry Potter series ia good, but I like Twilight better. Sure it is simpler, and has lots of haters. But HP has haters as well. I think it all comes done to taste in books. One person may like some old biography and can't stand fiction in any sort except historical, and another maybe just bored by those and prefers sci-fi. See what I'm getting at? It depends on what you like that makes you say one writer is bad and this author is great, or this series sucks and that one didn't. I love both series and authors, but I love Twilight better.
I preffer twilight better because if harry potter was smart than he would just KILL VOLDERMORT but he dosent. and it takes him 7 books just to kill voldermert, and he has to wait so long so some main charecters die just for harry to kill voldimort. I mean gosh. :(
Yeah it was sort of all of a sudden, but then again, he was probably thinking about all this all the time. He didn't want her to be in pain like she was when she was gone. He didn't decide that it was ok with the baby thing, Rosalie wouldn't let anyone near Bella. And he was so miserable and unhappy that Bella was going to die. He couldn't do anything about it though. But when they figured out that Bella had to drink blood and looked like she wasn't going to die, he felt better and didn't feel repulsed by the baby.I don't know what to say on the Jacob vs Edward thing. It is hard to explain. Jacob was just a friend to Bella and didn't see him in that light. She didn't "toss" him away, but they couldn't be friends after she was turned into a vampire. And with Edward, it's true love. True love accepts everything about you including your faults, and you do the same in return. That's what it is for Bella and Edward. I don't know what else to say, other than that girls have different taste in what makes a guy amazing.
Noelle wrote: "Stephanie Meyer isn't afraid to make us sad. If you have read the hole series you would know that! In New Moon Edward Leaves and most people I know cryed and where very upset. In the fourth book so..."I loved the blank pages as the effect in New Moon of showing how empty the time was as it passed. Initially, I thought I had missed something until I realized what was being done. Awesome!
Heather wrote: "Noelle wrote: "Stephanie Meyer isn't afraid to make us sad. If you have read the hole series you would know that! In New Moon Edward Leaves and most people I know cryed and where very upset. In the..."It was very clever of her. I thought the same thing.
] Harry Potter is WAY better. Twilight has plot holes, an annoying female lead, and a bunch of abusive characters. Jacob forcing himself on bella, and Sam scratching his lovely emily. It gets irritating. If a guy really loved you, then he wouldn't do that. JK is a more talented writer. Harry Potter is like a bubbling pot of a bunch of different themes, and genres. That's why it appeals to so many people around the world. Twilight is basically romance, with some wannabe action thrown in.
Harry Potter - 400 million + copies sold worldwide
Twilight-28 million copies
Also- I don't care if Eclipse "supposedly" knocked harry potter 7 from its number 1 spot. that was 2 WEEKS after deathly hallows was out. And by then it already made around 40 million. Obviously, most people bought their copies the first two weeks , so its fine if eclipse came in.
Breaking dawn 24 hour sales- 1.3 million
Harry Potter 7- 15 million WORLDWIDE
Do i need to say more???
Harry Potter wins hands down...
Ivy, I totally agree with what you said here:"...the love between Edward and Bella didn't seem true. Really, it totally seemed like Bella just thought Edward was so gorgeous. I wasn't getting a feeling of the love between the characters like I do most of the time. Even with all the kissing (which seemed to make things worse), I couldn't see true love."
Bella describes how gorgeous Edward is multiple times every chapter, and she rarely notes any of his valuable traits, because none of them matter to her. It's not his piano skills or his incredible genius, or even his knack for saving her life. She is shallow and loves him only for physical reasons. If it weren't so, she wouldn't be so focused on becoming a vampire, which is something that obviously hurts Edward.
So, I have heard so many people making comparisons and drawing parallels between the Harry Potter series and the Twilight series. Having read both series (a few times each) and enjoying both of them immensely, I felt the burning need to compare the two and draw my own parallels and highlight the differences.First the parallels. Both are series. Both have magical beings and involve keeping the truth about their existence from “normal people” (ie. Humans, muggles)
That’s it. That’s all.
As far as I’m concerned, that’s where the similarities end.
First of all, though I adored Twilight and would recommend it to anyone and will probably read the series through again sometime (or six), overall, I have to say that the Harry Potter series was completely and totally better written than Twilight. Potter was also much better thought out. All you have to do is read Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows to realize that fact. There was so much throughout the first six books that set the stage for the last book. Rowling took her time. She laid out all seven books and they all connect to each other and they flow so well.
Meyer is a great writer as well, she caused me at 31 years old to have a slight…okay huge crush on a 17 year old vampire. But I found that the story just sort of flowed through the four books, from beginning to end. There was no looking back while reading Breaking Dawn and realizing that there was a passage in any of the previous books that foreshadowed any event that took place.
I always feel that if a book evokes emotion, it has done its job. Most people on a whole are somewhat visual, therefore crying at the end of a movie is a common thing – especially for me – because we have had the whole story laid at our feet. It didn’t really take any straining to see the story because it was right there. Characters are developed, we see what they look like, how they talk, how they dress, carry themselves, etc. In a book, you must do some of the work yourself. Everything is there for you – if it’s written right – to develop the characters in your mind, and make them your own. If a book is written well enough, it will evoke some kind of emotion within the reader. Any kind of emotion is good.
Both Rowling and Meyer have succeeded in doing this in their novels, though in vastly different ways.
I have experienced so many different types of emotions while reading the Potter series. Between plot and character development, Rowling has made the story come alive through her words. I have never hated a character the way I hate Bellatrix Lestrange. She makes my skin crawl when I read her in the books. Listening to her goad Harry in OOTP in the Ministry scene, imagining her screaming high pitched voice in my head, made me want to reach into the pages and pull her hair out. Rowling also did a great job of this with Delores Umbridge, though for me, not with the intensity that she did with Bellatrix.
When reading a book makes me cry, I feel like the author has done their job. Not that every book I read I want to make me cry, but if it has, I feel like it has made me think, and been descriptive enough for me to know that this was no second rate bit of fiction.
Potter has made me cry. I cried when Dumbledore died. Like really cried. Bawled, in fact. I really didn’t see that one coming. I had to re-read those last few chapters a few times in order to believe that what I read was true.
There were several instances in DH that I let loose. I always loved Hedwig! I know that her death was supposed to symbolize the loss of Harry’s innocence, maybe that’s part of the reason that it affected me so bad. That and how it happened – so quick! Another time where I had to re-read several paragraphs over again until it sank in.
DH was full of tearful moments. Can we say:
Mad Eye
Uh…Dobby!
Fred….sniff!
Mostly though, the final walk that Harry took out to the forest to meet his fate with Voldemort. Passing Hagrid’s hut, all the memories that went through his mind, knowing that he was going into the forest to die. Bawling, bawling, bawling, through the whole chapter. I think the reason for this is just that Rowling had turned Harry into such a monumental character. Reading all the books, you watch him grow, feel like you’re growing with him. You see his goodness, see his insecurities. Relish in his joy, feel his pain. Losing his parents when he was so young, his burning desire to have them back in his life, it was heartbreaking to watch him look into the Mirror of Erised, to see the glimmer of hope after seeing them in the graveyard in GOF, admitting to Ron and Hermione in DH that the hallow of his choice would be the resurrection stone. You just feel so bad as he takes that walk, because you wonder how this could possibly be the end for him, after he has been through so much.
Twilight made me feel like a teenager again reading it. I enjoyed the story – all four books – it made me laugh in some places, especially where Emmett was involved. Made me swoon in others, always where Edward was involved. I know that this story is far from realistic, but the fact that Bella and Edward were absolutely, totally irrevocably in love with each other after such a short time was a bit for me to swallow.
With Twilight I was able to push aside any parts where I felt like rolling my eyes and just allow myself to get lost in the characters and the plot. It’s a sexy series, the whole vampire thing is easy to get caught up in. How the fundamental properties of Edward’s being makes him a deadly predator, yet the way he lives his life – or should I say his existence is in direct contradiction to that. Just because he is technically a monster doesn’t mean he has to be one. It’s all sort of tragic.
Overall, I loved both series, though I loved Harry Potter leaps and bounds more. Everything about it was just better. Even though it was a lot tamer in the love scene department, it doesn’t change the victory dance that I did in HBP when Harry FINALLY realizes his love for Ginny. Now that is fiction. On a whole other level.
no doubt, harry potter is better than twilight. jeez, people won't stop talking about twilight and i just don't think it's all that great.
Danielle wrote: "So, I have heard so many people making comparisons and drawing parallels between the Harry Potter series and the Twilight series. Having read both series (a few times each) and enjoying both of th..."I really enjoyed reading what you wrote. I'm truly glad you wrote all that out. Though I love Twilight better, I agree with everything else you said. I also did that victory dance for Harry and Ginny. And I cried nonstop for several parts. (Why Fred? Why?) I'm so thankful to you for spelling out good things about both series. Thank you again.
Sami wrote: "no doubt, harry potter is better than twilight. jeez, people won't stop talking about twilight and i just don't think it's all that great."The reason people keep talking about it is because some of us loved it. Again, people have different opinions and people should just accept that.
Danielle wrote: "So, I have heard so many people making comparisons and drawing parallels between the Harry Potter series and the Twilight series. Having read both series (a few times each) and enjoying both of th..."
I love your comment and completely agree!
I love your comment and completely agree!
It really is nice to know why people like either series better! Personally I like Twilight better because I am more into the whole thing with her good vampires more then I like magic! I still love both authors! they have amazing imaginations!
Samantha wrote: "of corse harry potter will always be in are hearts but twilight has stolen are hearts witht the amazingly untouchable edward and brittle bella nothing could compare with how myer wrote in to such d..."that was hard to read, not unlike the thought process of Meyers herself actually. Entertaining, yes....but hard to read
I find it hard to imagine not liking Edward. I think it goes along with a certain philosophy that I have a hard time - in fact I never try to - agree with, very Horace-inspired golden mean anti-obsession, or extremes of any kind, interested above all in Health and Happiness.
I don't know. Could you explain more about Edward? Also, try reading Midnight Sun. It clears some stuff up.
I don't know. Could you explain more about Edward? Also, try reading Midnight Sun. It clears some stuff up.
He tried not to fall in love with her, because he knew it wouldn't be good for either of them. But you can't stop love. And he can't help it if her scent is so appealing. He ignores the smell of her blood, and loves Bella for the person she is. And he was a little overprotective, but that's just part of his nature.
No way.... Harry potter is way better. So is JK ROWLING a way better writers then smeyer.Harry potter wins hands down
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I did read the host, and I admit the idea of it was interesting and original, but the writing was repetitive. The same cycle happens maybe five or six times. The whole book was "they're going to kill me; oh wait, they like me now--" and then "someone else came back and they're going to kill me; oh wait, they're okay with me now..." A big problem with writing in the first person is that you know they're not going to die, at least not before the end of the book.
I'm sorry if it offends you to hear it, but I'm severely disappointed with Meyer's writing, especially considering she has a degree. It was poorly edited, and far too long for the content. To me it seemed like she slapped a couple hundred pages in there so that they could make it cost more. As far as it being an "adult" novel like it claims, whenever the topic of sex is touched upon, it beats around the bush for the whole page, then drops another hint to make sure you got it before moving on.
The only reason I read it was because I had four hours where work was slow and I was bored out of my mind. I found I was still bored when reading it, but it was the only thing for me to do.
I did enjoy the first Twilight book, despite being sick of Meyer's pet phrases like "his eyes were smoldering." By the end of the second book my art teacher put it right in saying "If I hear about his eyes smoldering one more time I'm going to poke my own out!" Needless to say I couldn't even get through the third book. It was laughably written and the loopholes in the story were starting to really annoy me.