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Twilight v. Harry Potter?
Autumn... once again you amaze me with your ability to say what we are all trying to say. You may not walk down the aisle but I'm sure you'll get there someday.... On the Jacob front you are, once again, right. Edward just didn't trust Jacob... personally I wouldn't either especially if I could read his mind and how much he liked the love of my life...
Thank you! No applause, please. I would love to "walk" down the aisle, but I just don't think any guy will care enough.
And yeah, hearing what Jacob was thinking would be utterley sick.
Does it really matter? Everyone will have a different opinion on which one is better and I don't see the reasoning in bashing two very different sagas.
Christy... we have all been saying the same thing and yet we are still in this discussion....Autumn... I should smack you....
Why? What'd I say? I'm just being realistic.
Can't u all just agree to disagree???
Agree to disagree that both series is incredible but can't really be compared because they are different categories.... we have tried but in the end I think all of us like arguing which is why we come back over and over...
I think that both of the books are great, but they have certain things about them that cannot be compared.Oh! and Hi Autumn and Addie!!
Lara wrote:Beth: If you could refrain from swearing I would appreciate that greatly... I guess if you don't like first person then the whole Twilight series would be alittle less appealing.... it depends on my mood... in The Host... did you think there was more or less passion than in the other SM books??Wait...where did I swear? I wrote a quote, a very well known quote and I repeated what Autumn said. *yells up at Lara on her high horse* I heave heard worse on the Disney channel.
The Host was a little...strange I guess is a good word. I though the romance was less awkward and the word choice was better. Passion..eh, I would say they are about on the same level. Neither one did it for me.
Autumn-
What did Edward think that Jacob was going to do? Maul her? He knew that there were "wolf shape shifters' in his tribe, and he knew that Bella hung out with him. I am fairly sure they knew about Sam, so why would he have left her in New Moon if he was so worried about her safety? Jacob was in danger of showing her she didn't have to give up her humanity if she went with him. It all goes back to Edward not trusting Bella enough to let her make her own choice. He was being selfish.
You would be surprised, just because the jerks in middle/high school don't pay attention to you, doesn't mean there isn't a wonderful man out there for you. I actually know several couples of that stature. One is married to a man 6'2 and another is married to a man 4'1.
Wait till college, I think you will see a major difference.
Oh and way to be rude about the book suggestion. I was trying to be nice but thanks for throwing it back in my face. I will never make that same mistake twice.
Why is it when a debate isn't going the way people want it to go they say people shouldn't debate. The point of discussion forums is to discuss. Most people on here are being civil and providing engaging responses.
We are allowed to disagree but the point of debate is to compare things that aren't necessarily the same. But it is very easy to compare the two books as they are both wildly popular, they are both fantasy and they are both YA fiction.
Now if I was debating War and Peace vs Twilight. Yeah I can see how people say that the two are remotely in the same galaxy. But HP and Twilight ARE similar it is not too far fetched to compare and contrast the two.
Laney wrote: "TWILIGHT!!!! i started reading HP but it was pretty boring"
Laney i thought the first harry potter was boring to but the rest r REALLY good maybe u should try to read a few more of the books and yes it doesn't have much romance and stuff but does all books need to have that to make it a good book?
Laney i thought the first harry potter was boring to but the rest r REALLY good maybe u should try to read a few more of the books and yes it doesn't have much romance and stuff but does all books need to have that to make it a good book?
Beth wrote: "MY GOD! I didn't call Autumn mentally unstable. I called Bella that, and Bella IS mentally unstable. She said she was obsessed like Bella. That is not something to aspire to. *throws up hands* So..."
That is where you swore... I asked you nicely....
I know we have all heard worse but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't try to avoid it... I just thought I would ask...
Maybe because I don't have very much passion in my life that I thought the Host was overflowing with it.... I don't know
I don't think that Edward knew that Jacob would be a wolf but I think that you are partially right in the fact that he was selfish... but would you want your husband to be selfish with you... not the same Edward level but just enough that all he wants is to spend time with you and only you....
Of course college will be different.... that is why I can't wait to be done... don't get me wrong... I enjoy high school but not the loosers that plague it...
I actually want to read the book.... I just have to find the time to find it and then read it... (AP tests are coming up which means no tome for pleasure reading....)
Like I said earlier... we all come back because we do love arguing our own opinions... that is why I kkep coming back and that is why I joined in the first place.... I think that if we all remember to have respect (myslef included) then we can all just continue arguing...
I guess you are right that the reason why we can compare them because they appeal to the same age group... I don't know I think that may be just me...
ya beth is right bella is mentally unstable
Twilight is a story. A story I adore, but I think girls fall in love not with the word for word story written by Meyer but the story they create in their minds. Harry Potter is genius with many of its articles taken from other sources, but done in an original way. I followd harry for nine years. I've only liked twilight for one. Let's see how i feel about it in eight more years.
Leilah wrote: "Twilight is a story. A story I adore, but I think girls fall in love not with the word for word story written by Meyer but the story they create in their minds. Harry Potter is genius with many of ..."
Leilah i find that most people like twilight for the out line of the story not the actual story most people dont really look into what the story is saying u said that they like it for wat they create in there minds i completely agree with you about that
Leilah i find that most people like twilight for the out line of the story not the actual story most people dont really look into what the story is saying u said that they like it for wat they create in there minds i completely agree with you about that
i think the twilight series is much better then the harry potter series. i just love vampires and it is so interesting. i love how twilight is basically a love story except that twilights romeo is a vampire
i just dont think that twilight was a very good love story
i think it is an amazing luv story!
ivy i completly agree and Autumn being in a wheel chair and being short shouldn't make a dif if it does change how i guy feels about u then maybe u shouldnt b with him. i dont know if this is right but maybe y u like twilight is bcause it gives u some passion or hope or something to think about. though think about it SM makes Vamps be perfect they "sparkle" they turn into beautiful vamps. think about wat bella first thought of edward that he was cute she didn't even get to now him before she liked him she didn't know if he was rude mean even evil but she still trusted him. since u say that u r in a wheel chair u probably know all about the first impression thing. would Bella have trusted Edward if he was in a wheel chair??? i am almost positive that she wouldn't have.
Lara wrote: "Beth wrote: "MY GOD! I didn't call Autumn mentally unstable. I called Bella that, and Bella IS mentally unstable. She said she was obsessed like Bella. That is not something to aspire to. *throws u..."I am sorry, I tend to forget that some people are offended by taking the lords name in vain. I will try not to post like that in the future.
Th book suggestion comment was directed toward Autumn not you. But I do think you will enjoy it. While it is a love story(haha) it is pretty clean, there is some language but nothing explicit. Plus the movie is a wonderful compliment to the book. Just have tissue ready with you, when you get to the end.
As to want my husband to be selfish. No, I don't want him to be like that. Marriages thrive on each person being their own person. I know the popular tradition at weddings is to take two candles and light one and blow out the two. But at our wedding, we didn't blow out the candles. We wanted to symbolize that while we are combining together to make our own family, we are still individuals. I think you will find that you will want freedom to be your own person. It is very easy to lose yourself in a marriage. So the short answer is no, I wouldn't want him to be like that it would be suffocating.
No I'm not surprised they don't pay attention to me, and that's my point. I'm extremely different from any normal girl. Physically. And I'm not talking just short stature and wheelchair. I actually rarely even think of the whole "getting married" thing. I have crushes, look at cute guys, and all that stuff. But I just don't get my hopes up thinking "John" (not his real name) is going to talk to me. I don't hope for any love life. If it comes, fabolous. If not, I accept it. That's my view and my point. But can we just forget my relationship doubts? Kelsey, I read Twilight with the recomendation from my very trusted friend. I continued to read them, not because they give my hope or anything, but because I thought they were excellent escapes from the daily stress of life. They were interesting and gave a different meaning to "bite me."
Edward saw what Jacob wanted to DO with Bella, and that's what angered him. He didn't know Jacob was going to turn into a werewolf like his ancestors. He even said he thought the gene had died with Ephraim Black. Bella didn't hang out with Jacob until after he left. Plus, he couldn't go on the rez, so he wouldn't know the latest details of the Quileutes.
Beth, I wasn't trying to sound anyway offensive about the book suggestion. I don't normally enjoy romance stories. (Underline normally) I will look into the book's description. I will re-read posts before making them official.
As much as I love Twilight, I think that you are right. HP is a book that you love for the complexity, Twilight something that gives you something to spin off of and continue to day dream about.... I guess we will see in the next few years of how we all feel about both series.
i think that soon twilight will die down and it wont even be talked about
That may be Kelsey, but that doesn't always happen.... I guess the only way is to wait and see....Beth... I think you are right about the whole marriage thing... I'm not married, but I see my mom and dad and they are two individuals who work as a team... obviously, I want a marriage like that... how long have you been married? (If you don't mind me asking?)Does the movie have the same title as the book?
ya but twilight seams like one of those faze books. it's just like uggs one day there in and the next there out ya know
well i think its a little bigger than that because twilight isnt fading out as fast as uggs.then again im obssesed with twilight but still LOVE harry potter.
I didn't even notice the ugg fad. Hah! That must have been really short. I'm really quite fashion oriented. Have to look perfect everyday. I never even look at the latest fads because they fade the next day.I don't think Twilight will fade because too many people, (I say people because some guys actully read and loved them too (Bless Them)) have been affected by them. Moved. Entranced. Entertained. Etc.
actually people in ME are behind the times with the uggs i was in ME for a little while and people still wear uggs weird right. but i get what u r saying
Its true Autumn. Guys in my class have read it and i didnt notice the ugg fad that much until it was over too. but i dont think twilight will ever fade out.
so Sruthi are u saying that twilight will last for ever??? cuz when the Hardy Boys came out people said the exact same thing but soon more and more good books will come out and the teens that are reading em now will get older and soon twilight wont be the "IN" book
It may not be the "IN" book, but it won't ever die out. People still read the Hardy Boys. Maybe not as many, but there are some people who do. Twilight will eventually be like that, if not a little more popular than that. What about HP? I don't think it will be this popular in the future. Now that the whole series is completed, people can't expect anything more from JK, along the lines of HP. It's already sort of fading. What's keeping it alive is the movies, so people read it. And students read them for book reports, so they can see the movie, etc. My sister is 11 and only now got interested. But she isn't as hyped up as I was about it. Although, she isn't quite good at reading a book all the way through before picking up another book.
But I think both these series will have a special place on bookshelves no matter what comes ahead.
*Hollyberry* etc, and Sruthi, go to the groups section on goodreads.com and look for Twifantics. You can join if you want.
ya the hardy boys people still read but even the worst books still get read twilight just they wont be the big thing
What are you saying, Kelsey?
Harry Potter will undoubtedly be popular in the future. Twilight will too, I think. Also, my brother reads and loves the Hardy Boys. maybe that was a bad example, though. I know what you mean.
Harry Potter will undoubtedly be popular in the future. Twilight will too, I think. Also, my brother reads and loves the Hardy Boys. maybe that was a bad example, though. I know what you mean.
I don't. I can't understand what you're writing. No punctuation, capitals, and some words don't quite make sense. I'm sorry, I am not trying to be rude. I just can't understand your post.
I THINK she is saying:Yes, the Hardy boys are still widely read, even though they are not as popular as they once were. Even the worst books written are still re-read because people have different opinions. Twilight will still be read they will just not be wildly popular as they are right now.
Maybe?
Beth wrote: "I THINK she is saying:Yes, the Hardy boys are still widely read, even though they are not as popular as they once were. Even the worst books written are still re-read because people have differen..."
Okay, thanks. That makes sense. I just get really annoyed when people don't use punctuation and write properly. Sorry, Kelsey. No offense intended.
Kelsy, on that point, I actually agree with you. No book can be this popular forever. But maybe it will have spurts of popularity. Although, almost everyone ends up reading "To Kill a Mockingbird" in school. And it is really good. So that one isn't exactly popular, but it is widely read and (eventually) enjoyed. Of course that one is a classic.
Anyone heard of any fantasy books being classics? Tell me if you have.
Autumn wrote: "Beth wrote: "I THINK she is saying:
Yes, the Hardy boys are still widely read, even though they are not as popular as they once were. Even the worst books written are still re-read because peopl..."
Journey to the Center of the Earth by Jules Verne, 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea , also by Jules Verne, A Midsummer's Night's Dream by William Shakespeare, Macbeth, by Shakespeare, and, depending on your definition of 'classic, the Edgar Eager and E. Nesbit books. None of those are precisely fantasy, although A Midsummer's night Dream comes fairly close. Ooh! And the Tempest! That's fairly fantastical!
Yes, the Hardy boys are still widely read, even though they are not as popular as they once were. Even the worst books written are still re-read because peopl..."
Journey to the Center of the Earth by Jules Verne, 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea , also by Jules Verne, A Midsummer's Night's Dream by William Shakespeare, Macbeth, by Shakespeare, and, depending on your definition of 'classic, the Edgar Eager and E. Nesbit books. None of those are precisely fantasy, although A Midsummer's night Dream comes fairly close. Ooh! And the Tempest! That's fairly fantastical!
Okay, I'll put those on my to-read shelf.But I mean a little more recent. Obviously not the last 50 years recent, but a little more recent than Shakespeare.
The Jules Verne books go right into that category (although they're more science fiction...)
harry could kick edward's buttocks any day! I will forever love harry potter. It is a true work of art. I was really happy with the Twilight series, but I have noticed that Harry's story along with the people around him is intertwined to an extreme depth. Harry will always rein supreme!
Faith (message 2) has it right. Harry Potter wins by a long shot. Twilight is good, but Harry Potter is genius.
Fantasy being classics? Yes Jules Verne, the Narnia series, Alice in Wonderland, Dune, Starship Troopers, um The Last Unicorn, the Neverending Story, The Rats of NIMH, Dragons of Pern. Fantasy is a rather young genre but it is growing in it's popularity.
Any of the books I listed are awesome. Most are easy reads, The Last Unicorn is a tad dry in parts but overall is an amazing read.
WHY DIDN'T I THINK OF ANY OF THOSE? I AM INCREDIBLY STUPID!
Thanks for that list, Beth.
And, yeah, I agree with Faith and Jennifer.
Thanks for that list, Beth.
And, yeah, I agree with Faith and Jennifer.
I think that HP will always be highly ranked but I agree that it will also have spurts of popularity because no new ones are coming out. Of course the same could be said about Twilight. However, SM has the ability to write books that are not completely overshadowed by the series. JKR has an enormous shadow and she would probably not get out of it. Not to say that she can't, but that everyone would always compare the other book to the series.
I might read the Dragons of Pern, but probably not the Neverending Story. I never liked the movie, so I don't think I'll read the book. I have read the Narnia books and loved those.My loyalty is to Twilight as being the best. But that's just me. I did love the HP series. Heck, I started jumping when the sixth book came to the door. I was shut in my room for the rest of the day. But I was younger then. So what I like in books is different. I agree with you Lara in that JKR has a shadow. People had more expectations with JKR, SM has only recently been discovered.
Jessica wrote: "Twilight doesn't hold a candle to the well-developed stories of Harry Potter, but it does have an addictive "thrill" quality, slightly marred by the constant, repetitive angst. There is a maturing in the Meyer's abilities as a writer throughout the saga, whereas Rowling shows a consistent, down-to-earth superiority throughout."I have to disagree. I noticed a vast change in Rowling's writing. She improved. Comparing the writing in #7 to #1, the change is so drastic I wondered whether it was written by the same person.
However, Meyer's writing never improved. It remained bland.
Harry Potter was great but Twilight was awsome!!!!!!
Rachel wrote: "Jessica wrote: "Twilight doesn't hold a candle to the well-developed stories of Harry Potter, but it does have an addictive "thrill" quality, slightly marred by the constant, repetitive angst. The..."Have you read the Host? It was very well written. How can you say Twilight was bland? There was so much going on. It was intense, romantic, and thrilling.
Kathryn, you are so right. I don't know how many times I have to say that. Or that you can't compare the books because the only things they have in common is that they're fantasy and YA books. That's about as close as you can get.
Well you are right that JKR's writing did improve but I think that added to the story... as Harry matured so did her writing...
That's how it is with all good writers. They never stop getting better.
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Beth, I know an Edward doesn't exist. That's the whole point of the "I wish" and DREAM. Mike is more like my friend, David, except he isn't popular. I could be happy with a Ben. But then again, I don't see myself ever "walking" down that aisle towards the altar. It just doesn't seem likely in my situation. Don't say it's because I'm a teen and all teens think that. It is because of my rare disease. Honestly, who could see any guy marrying a 3'6'' woman? And you don't know what they should be saying because not all girls are going to like a Mike or a Ben. Girls taste in guys are different, so you don't know what they should want. And you don't know everything, so stop sounding like you can tell us what is right in wrong. Have you read Midnight Sun (partial draft)? I recommend it wholeheartedly. You get a better sense of his feelings and ideas. I will only read Love Story if it sounds interesting to me.