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message 51: by Meg (new)

Meg (megvt) | 3069 comments Great Stacy!


message 52: by Laura K (new)

Laura K | 266 comments Hi, I would like to join you. Just started reading it today.


message 53: by Meg (new)

Meg (megvt) | 3069 comments Yay! this is going to be the BEST group!


message 54: by Stacy (new)

Stacy (stcyct) | 66 comments Got it! It is huge and was apparently written the year I was born. This is unnerving a bit since when I walked in the house my husband took a look at it and said "that book is way too big and way too old!" What does that say about me??? :)


message 55: by Meg (new)

Meg (megvt) | 3069 comments Ha! Women are like wine, the more they age they better they are...........


message 56: by Meg (new)

Meg (megvt) | 3069 comments OK I am on page 1, here is the quote:
and listening to her son's(Isobel) lusty cries had said weakly: "he doesn't sound like a premature baby, does he? I suppose I-I must have miscalculated..."
She had: and it was a miscalculation that was to cost her dear. There are few of us, after all, who are called upon to pay for such errors....

Predictions?


message 57: by Stacy (new)

Stacy (stcyct) | 66 comments Wow. Seems pretty harsh...I am guessing she is going to encounter some serious hardships...though I can't really say I understand why. I must get reading!!!


message 58: by Meg (new)

Meg (megvt) | 3069 comments All on page one!!!


message 59: by Collin (new)

Collin | 197 comments awe...I can't predict because I know how it cost her. Read a little furhter :)


message 60: by Meg (new)

Meg (megvt) | 3069 comments I did finish Chapter One but I guess is there is a whole lot more!


message 61: by Stacy (new)

Stacy (stcyct) | 66 comments Didn't have to read on too far to find the answer...yikes!


message 62: by Meg (new)

Meg (megvt) | 3069 comments I love when you are hooked on the first page!


message 63: by Stacy (new)

Stacy (stcyct) | 66 comments Meg wrote: "I love when you are hooked on the first page!"

Yeah...I was afraid I would have a breaking in period with this book but luckily this was not the case!


message 64: by Meg (new)

Meg (megvt) | 3069 comments Great we'd love to have you!


message 65: by Meg (new)

Meg (megvt) | 3069 comments Great Stacy, looking forward to having you join us.


message 66: by Rebecca (new)

Rebecca So far I am hoping the political strife makes more sense as the book goes on because I feel really lost as to exactly what the unrest stems from.


message 67: by Meg (new)

Meg (megvt) | 3069 comments Perhaps this will help as to the political scene at the time:
From the British Raj to independence (1858-1947)

Britain ruled about 60% of Indian directly and the other 40% indirectly through native princes who followed British policies. See below for the map. During their time in India, the British developed tea and cotton agriculture and coal and iron industries. In fact, by 1940, the Tata Iron Works was the world's largest Iron factory. Likewise, the British continued developing India's infrastructure with more railroads and telegraph lines, so that by 1900 India had the longest railroad in Asia. British administration and bureaucracy were efficient, as was the British style education system Britain established.

However, even these developments contained the seeds of problems for British rule. As before, the new industries, railroads, and telegraphs, however progressive they may have seemed to the British, disrupted the traditional culture and economy of India. By the same token, however efficient the bureaucracy was, there were large gaps between the higher ranking British and lower ranking Indians that carried over to society in general. Increasingly, Indians were getting tired of their second-class status and worked increasingly for independence.

The Indian National Congress, founded in 1885, led the independence movement. At first, its goal was to gain more rights for Indians and more say in the British administration. However, as its power grew in the twentieth century, it agitated increasingly for complete independence. This led to a parallel, but somewhat separate independence movement of Muslims in India who feared being a minority in a Hindu-dominated state. Therefore, they wanted a separate independent Muslim state in the northwest.

World War I (1914-18) and World War II (1939-45) further catalyzed India’s push for independence, since Britain had to rely heavily on Indian recruits to fill its ranks. In return, Britain promised more political concessions, thus weakening its hold on India, encouraging more demand by Indians, and so on.

In 1920, a new leader, Mohandas Gandhi emerged as the voice of the Indian National Congress. Educated in both traditional Indian culture and British schools, Gandhi developed very effective non-violent tactics of resistance while protesting British policies. The British, not wanting to risk the bad publicity a violent reaction could generate, had to give in to Gandhi time after time. Therefore, at the end of World War II, Britain promised independence for India.

Unfortunately, this revived the issue of whether there would be one large Hindu-dominated state or a separate Muslim state in the North, leading to violent clashes between Hindus and Muslims broke out. Finally, in 1947 Britain the region between Hindu India in the South and Muslim Pakistan in the Northwest that also controlled a separate territory, Bangla Desh, in the Northeast. Despite heroic efforts to keep the peace by Gandhi (who was killed by one of his Hindu followers in 1947), tensions between Hindus and Muslims have continued to the present day and still threaten the peace and stability of South Asia.


message 68: by Meg (new)

Meg (megvt) | 3069 comments This website seems like a really good one to reference as we read:

http://www.purrlions.net/ash/india_un...


message 69: by Meg (new)

Meg (megvt) | 3069 comments Also list of characters so far in Book One:

Principal Characters:

Ashton Hilary Akbar Pelham-Martyn - Main character whose life we follow (Also: Ash, Ashok)

Isobel Ashton - Orphaned, arrived in India with the intent of living with her brother:

William Ashton - A bachelor in the Corps of the Guides

Professor Hilary Pelham-Martyn - lingist, enthologist, botanist, and 'Burra Sahib' (great man) to Ash, a Christian

Sirdari Bahadur Akbar Kahn - grizzled, ex-officer friend of Hilary, wounded at theBattle of Mianee, a Muslum

Sita - Wife of Hilary's head syce Daya Ram, a hill woman and a Hindu

Duni Chad - Rich landowner who owned horses

Raja of Gulkote - Ruler descended from a Rajput Chieftan

- His first wife bore sons, but only one, Lalji, lived

- - Lalji - (the beloved) title of Yuveraj

- His 2nd wife 'Feringhi Ran' (foreign queen) bore only one daughter, Princess Anjuli, and died in the process

- - Princess Anjuli-Bai - called 'Kari-Bai' by Janoo-Bai

- His 3rd wife Janoo-Bai, the 'Nautch girl' (dancing girl) bore a son and daughter

- - Princess Shushila-Bai - beautiful, high strung

Biju Ram - servant of Lalji

Hira Lal - Equerry to the Yuveraj

Dunmaya - nursemaid to Lalji and Anjuli

Koda Dad Kahn - 'Mir Akhor' (master of horse) had three sons

- Eldest son - Officer in the Corps of the Guides

- 2nd Eldest Awal Shah - daffador in the Corps of the Guides

- Youngest Zarin - 6 years older than Ash


message 70: by Carrie (new)

Carrie Chaney (carrie_chaney) My copy should be here any day now... You guys are making me so excited to get started! Can't wait!


message 71: by Meg (new)

Meg (megvt) | 3069 comments I hope you get it soon, it really is a good read so far.


message 72: by Stacy (new)

Stacy (stcyct) | 66 comments I agree...I am really enjoying it. I just taught about the sepoy rebellion in passing and it is pretty neat to be reading along and thinking "I know what's going on here!"


message 73: by Marialyce (new)

Marialyce I read Book 1 and loved it just as much as I did the first time I read this book. I know we are all in for a treat.


message 74: by Meg (new)

Meg (megvt) | 3069 comments Exciting. Stacy is there anything you want to say about the sepoy rebellion that we should know about?


message 75: by Rebecca (new)

Rebecca Thank you Meg. I had searched and not found anything that was that consise in an explanation. I found the info to be very helpful for me as I read along.


message 76: by Meg (new)

Meg (megvt) | 3069 comments I am glad Rebecca. I hope you are enjoying the read as much as I am.


message 77: by Stacy (last edited Feb 22, 2011 03:36AM) (new)

Stacy (stcyct) | 66 comments I don't know too much about it...from what I have read the book seems to be pretty accurate. Indian soldiers (Sepoys) under the control of the British rebelled due to practices of the British East India Company in 1857. The final straw was the use of pig/cow fat on gun cartridges that had to be bitten off which was offensive to both Muslims and Hindus respectively. Though quite successful at first, the rebellion was ultimately squashed, but not until many British and Indian soldiers and civilians brutally lost their lives. From then on relations between the British and Indians were not too surprisingly strained.

Meg, thanks for the list of characters! I refer to it often...I tend to have a hard time keeping everyone straight.


message 78: by Rebecca (new)

Rebecca Meg wrote: "This website seems like a really good one to reference as we read:

http://www.purrlions.net/ash/india_un..."



Meg I liked this site for maps. Did yours come with maps? Mine didnt unless they are in the back.

http://www.purrlions.net/ash/maps.htm


message 79: by Megan (new)

Megan M | 267 comments Thanks Meg and Rebecca for the site informtion. It will be very helpful!


message 80: by Laura K (new)

Laura K | 266 comments @Meg and Rebecca. I second Megan-- Thank you both for the resource info. Very interesting and most helpful.


message 81: by Laura K (new)

Laura K | 266 comments I am almost 50 pages in, and I am really enjoying it. Every time I am reading I feel transported to India. The reading is slower for me with this book, I think because the British rule (occupation?), East India Company, and the Sepoys, etc. are all new topics, and they are all puzzle pieces I am trying to figure out how they fit together, which is where the info Meg and Rebecca provided is very very useful.


message 82: by Meg (new)

Meg (megvt) | 3069 comments I am glad you are all enjoying the book, the history lessons are certainly different for me as well. Maybe we should all go to India for a field trip!


message 83: by Carrie (new)

Carrie Chaney (carrie_chaney) My copy came today. :) It's all in one book, and hardback, so it's massive! I'm hoping to get started tonight, so I'll definitely be on schedule for the 27th. Yay!


message 84: by Meg (new)

Meg (megvt) | 3069 comments Great Carrie!


message 85: by Stacy (new)

Stacy (stcyct) | 66 comments I just finished the chunk for the 27th last night. Without giving anything away I have to say that it is really interesting how the author spends a great deal of time on certain parts of the main character's life and flies through others. I could barely keep my eyes open in bed last night but I was so into the story I was able to get through it!


message 86: by Gillian (new)

Gillian | 618 comments I'm almost done with the first section. Enjoying it greatly!


message 87: by Meg (new)

Meg (megvt) | 3069 comments I am glad it is so readable!


message 88: by Collin (new)

Collin | 197 comments I'm wishing for the weekend so that I can read more than a couple pages at a time. Work is getting crazy; it's standardized testing season!


message 89: by Meg (new)

Meg (megvt) | 3069 comments Are you a teacher?


message 90: by Collin (new)

Collin | 197 comments Yes :)


message 91: by Stacy (new)

Stacy (stcyct) | 66 comments Me too..but we are on vacation this week...I might try to get a little ahead so I don't fall behind later!


message 92: by Meg (new)

Meg (megvt) | 3069 comments Me too!


message 93: by Collin (new)

Collin | 197 comments How cool!! Our spring break is a little over a week away, and I am really looking forward to a lot of reading!!


message 94: by Elena (last edited Feb 23, 2011 06:41PM) (new)

Elena I have never heard of this book before. I ordered it, and it is really a brick! I don't plan to read it right away, but hopefully will join at some point.


message 95: by Rebecca (new)

Rebecca I am reading chapter 5. Ash and Lalji become acquainted. Who is Biju Ram?


message 96: by Meg (new)

Meg (megvt) | 3069 comments Biju Ram - servant of Lalji

I listed the characters, there are a lot in the beginning so keep referring to the list if you get confused (we all did). The multitude of characters has been cited in many of the reviews of this book.


message 97: by Irene (new)

Irene | 4579 comments Ladies, I want to join this chunky read. I have not been able to crack open the book yet. Thought I would get a bit of time this week, but everytime it looks as if a bit of open time is just around the corner, I find a brick wall of demands in my face instead. But, I am still hopeful.


message 98: by Meg (new)

Meg (megvt) | 3069 comments I hope you can join us. It is not difficult reading so I am confident you will catch up with us. We'd love to hae you.


message 99: by Sandra (new)

Sandra (sandee) | 328 comments So far the book is going great. Meg, thank you for the website...it's awesome.


message 100: by Meg (new)

Meg (megvt) | 3069 comments Great I am glad it is helping with the enjoyment!


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