Team Edward discussion
Discuss Breaking Dawn!!
I honestly didn't like this book as much as I thought I would. I have no idea how Bella was able to conceive a child if Edward has no sperm.
As for the alien language, I'm assuming they were speaking Portugese since that was what was being spoken through out the trip. And the lady was telling him basically about the legends and that she was going to see death because she knew that Bella was pregnant.
And I haven't heard that about the A Mid Summer Night's Dream thing.
i havent red the book yet wat is bellas power? thanks :)
I fell that the romance that i loved about the books was totally crushed when "it" came into the picture. Its like Stephanie is writing for moms not young adults. How could she promote underage marriage and pregnancy?Don't even get me started on the name or the imprinting.
I hated this book.
I really wish she would have stopped at 3. I was so excited to read about Bella and Edward an her changing and them being together. I feel totally let down. I wish she hadn't pushed her stupid Mormon views into it. I am going to have to sit out, pull away from the message boards. My love for Twilight has diminished. I hope with some time when i calm down I'll try to see it from a less bias perspective.
I dont mean this to piss anyone off. its just one opinion. I'm just really sad....hoping for what could have been.....
Okay, Nohbody. What "stupid Mormon views" are you accusing Stephenie of pushing? Are you mad that Bella and Edward got married before they had sex? Because I thought that was really true to Edward's century-old character. And frankly, it's refreshing to read a book that so many teens are into that isn't full of kids who do awful things and think it's fine. There's a big difference between true love and teenage lust. Stephenie had the courage to show us the difference. Maybe you need to read the book again, because you have a lot to learn.
I just finished this book and I agree with LeiAnn. I think once you read the book, your either in love with it or you just plain hate it and think this last book was just a failed attempt to make money.(in my opinion, please dont be offended)
ok *LeiAnn* I never said I was upset Bella and Edward got married BEFORE they had sex. That wasn't my issue. My issue was that to some(not all) of Stephanie's fans MIGHT get encouragement to wed and have kids in their teenage yrs. She does have 8 yr old readers.It felt like she was saying, you have to find "Mr right" to be happy, and its OK to abandon your family because, as long as you have a boyfriend you"ll get the perfect marriage and cottage and you'll be beautiful and your kids'll be beautiful and your new family will love you and everyone will be all happy and daisies. Everyone paired up in the end. it was all cozy like you need a partner to be happy.
I'm sorry if I'm a pessimist but I do think that A LOT of young adults are impressionable, and with babies being the new accessory in Hollywood, it gives the wring impression. All of these stars, a lot of them young (Jamie lee spears)are having kids like its the cool thing to do. Problem is THEY have the $$ to take care of them. It costs 150 - 200,000 dollars to raise a child to the age of 18 now. I just dont think with everything out there, their should be yet ANOTHER excuse to encourage teenage pregnancy. Its OK to drop a baby off at a fire house no questions asked! Then the kid gets thrown into the system not even thought about again. If it live
lives. Sorry for the rant. AGAIN its just my opinion. I'm not trying to attack anyone personally. I'm just disappointed in Stephanie.
You should check the Amazon reviews because I'm def not the only person who feels this way. Way more 1 star reviews that 5.
Nohbody, Stephenie Meyer writes for herself and not for the media, or for money. Plus, the publishers only wanted three books, and they didn't care for a fourth, so she definitely was not writing for the money.And I don't think Meyer wrote this book as any kind of "lesson" or anything for her readers. Of course it doesn't matter if these things can't happen to us. As long as we enjoy reading the story, no harm done. Can't we distance ourselves from Bella and her characters, knowing we're not them? Or should Meyer have made everything go terrible and horrible and wrong, like Edward dying and Bella aborting Renesmee and then getting all depressed because there's no meaning in her life, just to show us not to do that? No! This was written for our enjoyment, not our life.
LeiAnn I agree with you completely.
One thing...the woman was speaking with Edward in Portugese. And then all of a sudden Bella says that the woman suddenly CHANGED her language and spoke in a different, alien language. So it obviously wasn't Portuguese. What language was it?
But thats my point. She was writing for herself and not her readers. For her first book I think that was totally appropriate, but once she got to the status she's at its her obligation to think of her readers now as well.The problem is she really believed what she wrote and wasn't trying to make a "lesson" of it. But unfortunately some people might take it that way. There in lies the problem.
I think Bella doesn't go throught the newborn stage is because of her powers. She can block things so it makes sense that she can block her feelings of wanting to hurt someone when she knows it is wrong. As for the Midsummer Night's Dream there are 2 girls in love with one guy. another guy in love with one of the girls. The second guy ends up with the other girl not the one he is in love with. and the other two end up together. Sorry I can't remember the peoples names to make is less confusing.
They never say the Edward does not have sperm. The say that womens bodies don't change to carry the baby. There is no room in their stone bellys to carry the baby. That is why Bella could carry it and Rose can't.
I was never trying to say that teen marriage and pregnancy was okay (because it's SO NOT!), and I don't think Stephenie really thinks that way either. But what option did she have? The whole issue with Bella and Edward is that Bella is not safe as a human, and Edward won't change her until they're married and tied together in every human way first, which is really true to his 100-year old character's morality. Can you imagine if Stephenie tried to draw things out for another couple years until it was "okay" for them to get married? I was only offended that you think Stephenie was trying to push some religious agenda on us. Mormons don't believe that finding "Mr. Right" entitles you to leaving your family behind and everything will all be magically peachy keen. In fact, they don't believe that finding "Mr. Right" is the most important thing in the world. Well, I'll be honest, there are maybe a few silly girls that might think that, but it's not what the church teaches. Marriage is really important to us, but in that you shouldn't enter into it lightly at all.
I LOVE BREAKING DAWN!! I THINK THAT THE AUTHOR GOT EVERYTHING PERFECT!!! LOL
i actually didn't really breaking dawn that much. haha i think it's just me, but it wasn't what i imagined, which could be a good thing. in some ways i liked it, but some ways i just couldn't stand it haha. i thought it was a little awkward with the pregnancy and stuff. and i thought it was totally weird that bella was like sex crazy throughout the book. haha.
yea that sex part was alittle to much.
It wasn't what I thought it would be, and so that was a bit disappointing, but once I got over that I was still wrapped up in a good story by an author that I enjoy her writing. I don't understand people getting all picky over little things that "aren't possible" when the story is about vampires and werewolves. I mean, a lot of the vampire and werewolf mythology was changed by Stephenie, so why do people all of a sudden have problems with her new ideas? And again, I think she writes for herself, doesn't matter if it is her first book or her 100th book, a true writer writes because they love to write, not to please the public. If you want an author who always writes the same way, read a Sue Grafton or Danielle Steel novel. I'm not saying those authors aren't good, just that they tend to follow the same formula every time.
yeah.I was hooked on the book from the moment I got it saturday evening, (I would have gotten it at the midnight premier but I was flying in to NY) and then finished it the following morning.
I was disappointed in all of the Stephenie Meyer's other endings, butI think she wrapped this one up nicely
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I loved Breaking Dawn!!!!! I am so going to read it over and over and over..... But i must admit, Bella WAS a bit too crazy for sex in BD, but the book rox any way!PS: I love her new talent!!!
I think it's funny that Bella's age is coming into question. Didn't everyone go through this with the first book when we found out how old Edward truly was? So we took the point with us that love is love. We had to, or we couldn't enjoy Edward and Bella's romance.
Besides that Bella was an adult, she'd graduated from HS. Everyone makes their own decisions after that point in their lives.
The trend (on a larger scale) in the world today is to wait to be financially stable with a career and home, finished with college, etc before we have children. Women all over the place run out of "time" to have kids, then regret it.
Being a mother is a big responsibility (which Bella didn't skirt) and it isn't always fun, but it is the most amazing thing in the world. I love my kids more than anything and I would do anything to protect them. I don't mind that Stephanie portrayed a little bit of the "magic of motherhood" in this book. Maybe teens will think twice before dropping their babies off at the fire dep. because that's not what Bella would do. Who knows, may be that's not such a bad thing.
But I'm a mom, so maybe it was written more for mom's, who knows?? Kind of like the HP books, they were children's books in the beginning, but by the last few... not so much. Too dark. But kids still enjoyed the magic, only adults complained (resulting in book burnings etc).
I have enjoyed reading all the Twilight books. Not because of the message (although it did remind me of how much I love my husband) but because they were fun and entertaining to read. I liked the unpredictable 4th book. I was way off guessing what would happen, I like that. If I could have guessed I would have been disappointed.
Do I think that teens will want to run out and have babies because Bella did? Probably the same girls that did it because their favorite celeb. did. Those would be the same that aren't taught differently at home. Let's not forget about the responsibility of parents. This book is great, it opens up a channel for parents and teen daughters to talk about an important decision in a low risk non-confrontational way. Teens are smarter than what they get credit for. We all (even as adults) do stupid things in life from time to time; lets not go out and say "the book made me do it!" That's a little over the top and takes away individual accountability.
I have enjoyed reading your posts, to see what others thought of the book. It's interesting. I personally would give this book a 3 or 4. I enjoyed reading it, but there were a few things that bothered me (loose strings with resolution etc). I have enjoyed Stephanie Meyer and her Vampire stories!
wow that's alot of typing.........
Who says he doesn't have any sperm? I don't recall that being turned into a vampire makes you sterile, unless you are female and your body can't change to accomodate the growth of a fetus. Turning into a vampire makes you more than you were, but also the same as you were--at that age, etc. Edward would only have been sterile if he was sterile as a human. And the language they suddenly started speaking was likely the native language that the woman was raised in, which was the tribe that knew of the legends and what would happen. She said "Morte" because in her legends or tribe history or whatever knowledge she was speaking from, the mother dies. (Nahuel and his sisters had that experience and could be the reason for the legends in the first place.) I thought it interesting that when born, the babes immediately try to bite whoever is holding them, as if that is the only way to save the mother and they are acting on instinct. Interesting, again, that it is only the males who are venemous.
As for the Midsummer Night's Dream allusions, I think Alice makes a great Puck, spiky hair and all. I don't think you need to worry too much about it all fitting together exactly--just enjoy it for what it is.
I also think she was a better newborn because of her special ability as a shield; she is a born protector, even as a vampire, so her actions were pretty consistent with that role. And since her shield was always protecting herself first and foremost, she was able to keep herself from actions that would have been traumatic in the long run. Her abilities just outstripped her vampire instincts in strength.
Also (sorry to post again but this is for Nohbody), I got engaged at eighteen, married at nineteen, and had my kids at twenty and twenty-two. On purpose, too! Granted, my husband is a bit older than I am, but I have been a stay-at-home mom/student/teacher/community volunteer all at the same time for the last eleven years. Yes, many girls are too immature to be doing all that I've done (one of my kids is also special needs), but in my case I wanted to have my kids while I was still young enough to enjoy them (plus, I'll be forty when my youngest graduates--how cool is that?). They were always mine and my husband's responsibility (no daycare for us--just a babysitter for weekly dates), and we had them knowing what we were getting into. Maybe we aren't the richest people in the world, but we have always been financially stable and our children have everything they need and more (well, we don't have a cat, but that's because we're allergic to them). So, no offense, but not every teenager who gets married and pregnant as a teenager is going to be on welfare and cause society to deteriorate (and I don't think I deserve your wrath for having done so). Everyone matures at their own pace, and everyone has their own desires, and everyone can either contribute to society or not. Yes, there are societal trends that we should worry about, but there are also individual stories that transcend prejudice. I for one worry about the spread of STD's and teenage pregnancy without a viable marriage, all results of premarital and promiscuous sexual behavior, and none of those things were promoted in the book (except, of course, contracting vampirism :D). Bella was never a flighty teen--she took care of her mom, remember?--and her relationship to Edward survived in spite of their trials, so marriage at her maturity level was appropriate. Oh, and anyone who hasn't found their true love won't get the whole Bella-turned-sex-fiend thing. It just gets better and better when you're with someone you love with your heart, mind, and soul--your body just can't help it!
Holly who are to convince, me or you?
I'm not trying to convince anybody--I don't have to, I'm happy as I am--just stating my case.
I completely agree with Holly. I was Married at 19, have been married for nearly 12 years to someone that I completely love. Granted we waited a while to have children but still... With only my life experience to go on, I felt that Bella and Edwards relationship followed a natural progression considering the intensity of there relationship.I loved the book and thought it was a great way to end the series.
me too, i just wish that they did have the kid during the honey moon, i wish that they waited, but yet i am glad that they didn't orelse the book would be boring.
Okay...I'm sorry, but all of this talk about sex and kids and morals and self righteous monologues on how brave it is to be a young mother...am i the only one that remembers the little scene in the book when...uh...oh yeah, A BABY CHEWED ITS WAY OUT OF THE MOTHERS STOMACH?!?!?! ARE YOU SERIOUS?!?! Is that just something that slips your mind???? 8- year olds are reading this book...8. Yet for some strange reason, people are freaking out about the sexual content. This is why middle America scares the hell out of me. Violence...I'm sorry, extreme violence (and you cant get any more extreme than a super fetus inflicting unimaginable damage on a pregnant woman)can somehow get completely dismissed, yet a few suggestive dialogs and we have a problem?
This has got to be some of the most tame romantic content I have ever read, I've seen more explicit in Disney!
I really hate to break it to whomever may disagree, that sex is just as natural and beautiful as child birth. I'm sorry if thats a hard concept to wrap around but violence isn't natural or beautiful. Too many people let that stuff slide with their kids. They'll let them watch a mans head explode on TV but the sight of a naked woman causes angry mobs... how backwards is that?!?!
I just found this on the Book reviews for the Average Joe. This was posted by a mother and i think she hit the nail on the head!...."Breaking Dawn was BAD. I was hoping an epic battle at the end, but they all stood around talking for awhile and then the Volturi left. BORING. Bella Sue turned into Sparkly Vampire Bella Sue and apparently passed the Sparkly Sue gene onto her child the Loch Ness Monster. I don't think I can express how DISGUSTING it is that Jacob imprinted on Nessie (and the Quil/Claire crap is just as disturbing). How unfair for Jacob -- he gets actual growth and development and some redemption after the hatchet job done on his character in Eclipse, only to have it waste away on the half demon mutant spawn. Blechhhhhh. Then Stephenie introduces us to a bunch of worldly vampires (with the Amazons wearing animal skins -- seriously, Meyer, please stop with the stereotypes) and they're described in thorough detail, only to have their stories GO NOWHERE. Nobody dies, Bella doesn't have to sacrifice anything. It's the ultimate fanfiction.
I completely agree!
Actually Irina dies. Which isn't exactly "nobody". Hmm there is thin line between hate and love, and you're walking on that line, Nohbody. As much as you supposedly "hate" this book, you sure are thinking and talking about it a heck of a lot, in a way, that's what people do when they love something too, no? Maybe you hate it, maybe you love it, but it still comes down to one thing. Obsession.You're obsessed with the book, and well, so are a lot of other people, myself including. But if you hate it so much, then wouldn't you want to not be obsessed with it, since it means you have to think about it a lot, causing you needless pain because of your hate for it? I suggest you stop talking about it, stop thinking about it, and just forget it. There's no point being hateful...it's just a book. It is not a threat to your physical body, unless you starve yourself in protest, or your mind, unless you go insane with your obsession, but either way if you are harmed by this book, it most likely is yourself at fault, since it will be you inflicting pain upon yourself, not the book.
There are better books to be obsessed with, don't waste your breath/finger muscles on people who won't be moved. =)
P.S. don't try argue with me too, I'm not to be moved either, a waste of your precious effort.
Oh and technically this is meant to be a Young Adult's book, so if 8 year olds are reading this book, it's their own fault, not anyone else's. And there are a lot of more violent books out there, which are for younger kids. Like the Brian Jacques Redwall series, animals slaughtering and beheading each other...I read those when I was 8...it's not like you don't see such violence on TV too. And what's wrong with a bit of blood during labour? Happens all the time. (plus Edward chewed the baby out, not the baby. ;D)
Wow, PandaRanda....Wow...*slow clap*yes...I'm laughing at you.
Ha ha ha Wow you really don't get it do you? If i didn't like/love the Twilight series why would i join a TEAM EDWARD GROUP? I loved with the first 3! I liked them enough to ignore all of the obvious flaws they had, even sticking up for SM when people said the obvious bashing stuff about her and the books. Saying she wasn't the cliche everyone said she was. Thats why I'm so pissed about the 4th book. She proved them right. If I didn't like it before, it why would I care?Venting after feeling like I've been ripped off then slapped in the face seems pretty reasonable to me.
And are you saying you condone the censorship of sex but not violence? Because thats what that post was about.
I'm not swaying anyone just voicing an opinion. Thats what a discussion board is for.
Well if that's how you feel then it's up to you to feel that way. Besides I was referring to the book, Breaking Dawn, not the entire series. That saying, I was only suggesting that you forget the book completely, as others have opted to do. Like you, I was only making a suggestion/"voicing an opinion", no harm done, I assure you.And I don't know how you came to the assumption that I condoned the censorship of sex but not violence because I didn't say, nor implied anything about sex. I was merely stating that an eight year old wanting to read a young adult book should be ready to be faced with violence and other such unpleasant things, including sex, that are intended for more mature audiences. And if that was the point that Aoutlawoo was arguing for then I was simply backing her point.
HA ha ha Aoutlawoo was laughing AT you.I could sit here for days arguing w/ you but you're right about one thing. Its not worth my time. And after reading that the moderator will have no HATE threads on this board I'm opting out completely.
Who wants to actually try and have a discussion about a book if your only allowed to have a 1 sided opinion of it.
I'm out.
-peace
I thought Breaking Dawn was just ok. I hated some parts, but others I loved. A lot of parts in Jacob's book were really funny. But.... ugh, Renesmee was just not going for me. And I wish they would have had a big battle at the end!!!! Gr. But I loved the parts about Bella becoming a vampire; it was really cool to see all that. Overall, I gave the book 3 stars.
I just finished Breaking Dawn and I LOVED it!!! Especially because, though I still don't much like him, I no longer totally hate Jacob.
i liked it
i agree with maya
i didnt really like the whole idea of renesmee
it didnt go with the other books
like now, edward is not the only thing that bella lives for
but i have to think that mayb it would have been sadder if bella got all depressed that she was unable to have kids...
i agree with maya
i didnt really like the whole idea of renesmee
it didnt go with the other books
like now, edward is not the only thing that bella lives for
but i have to think that mayb it would have been sadder if bella got all depressed that she was unable to have kids...
I was disappointed about there being no final battle at the end too...but then I thought about it...and well it makes sense that there's no battle since the second inspiration for Breaking Dawn was The Merchant of Venice. For those who haven't read that Shakespearean play, there was a big court trial towards the end, and the whole thing was resolved without bloodshed but through profound speeches of mercy and the intelligence/power of women (Portia/Narissa - Bella/Alice) xD. And then Shylock walks off defeated and broken without a penny to his name nor his bond, a pound of flesh.
I thought there was going to be a big battle and thought that it would have been a bit excessive since there was a pretty massive battle towards the end of Eclipse. So in that respect I kinda like how it went down, although I agree with the Romanians, that the Volturri should be taken down. I would mind reading that in another book, possibly a spin-off or maybe just years later....maybe, but maybe not.....
I agree with you kaiya, I think the volturri should be stoped, but yet I still think that there should be rules for vampires.
ya, the volturi should have been taken down. but stephanie hinted in the book that they would be eventually, just not in the books. that was my only problem, i love breaking dawn!
Bella getting pregnant.....From SM website:
Now, on to the "how is this possible?" question. First of all, of course it's not possible. None of this story is possible. It's a fantasy story about creatures that don't actually exist. Within the context of the fantasy, however, this is how it works:
Vampires are physically similar enough to their human origins to pass as humans under some circumstances (like cloudy days). There are many basic differences. They appear to have skin like ours, albeit very fair skin. The skin serves the same general purpose of protecting the body. However, the cells that make up their skin are not pliant like our cells, they are hard and reflective like crystal. A fluid similar to the venom in their mouths works as a lubricant between the cells, which makes movement possible (note: this fluid is very flammable). A fluid similar to the same venom lubricates their eyes so that their eyes can move easily in their sockets. (However, they don't produce tears because tears exist to protect the eye from damage, and nothing is going to be able to scratch a vampire's eye.) The lubricant-venom in the eyes and skin is not able to infect a human the way saliva-venom can. Similarly, throughout the vampire's body are many versions of venom-based fluids that retain a marked resemblance to the fluid that was replaced, and function in much the same way and toward the same purpose. Though there is no venom replacement that works precisely like blood, many of the functions of blood are carried on in some form. Also, the nervous system runs in a slightly different but heightened way. Some involuntary reactions, like breathing, continue (in that specific example because vampires use the scents in the air much more than we do, rather than out of a need for oxygen). Other involuntary reactions, like blinking, don't exist because there is no purpose for them. The normal reactions of arousal are still present in vampires, made possible by venom-related fluids that cause tissues to react similarly as they do to an influx of blood. Like with vampire skin—which looks similar to human skin and has the same basic function—fluids closely related to seminal fluids still exist in male vampires, which carry genetic information and are capable of bonding with a human ovum. This was not a known fact in the vampire world (outside of Joham's personal experimenting) before Nessie, because it's nearly impossible for a vampire to be that near a human and not kill her.
well, i liked the book. it was just a bit boring at the midlle, what with all the wolf-related problems with packs, and when i was impaciant to know how the bella - reneesme situation would end.about the sex and violence... well, please, what book/TV program that is not for children doesn't have a bit of the two? (nowadays, i mean)
and about the messages the book has... well, if we can be influenced by a book, then we can be influenced by about everything, and it's just stupid to behave like fictional charecters some1 you don't even know wrote about.
also, it's said in almost evry Twilight book (if not in every1) that bella has more maturity than most girls her age, and we all know edward is 100 years old. so, whats the problem if they want to get married?
I agree with basically everything u said.
hmm..i didnt like it as much as i thought i would somehow..the whole view poin t from jacob was just the damn icing on the damn cake..
Okay. I really don't think that the sex scenes in BD were really that bad. I mean, its not like it was porn or anything. It didn't even go into detail! And for all the people who think that books can influence what people think, yes, but its not brianwashing or anything. people still do think for themselves. I had a conversation with my librarian about that. And it was really interesting.I, personally, really liked BD. I also right fanfictions and Renesme's character really adds some spice to thhe reading. You can have fun with her because she's not a very developed character.
Anyway, that's my opinion. And everyone's entitled to they're own.
ive read all four boks and even midnight sun (whats available) ive seen the film and am doing my friends heads in about it because i wont shut up i read BD with rose-tinted glasses on because i love the whole series and couldnt wait for the final book
some of it was boring when bella goes on a five page rant about some pointless thing n loses the train of thought in the book
otherwise very good
my friend could agree with you as she is reading the final book and really doesn't get half of it
i think the book doesn't get interesting until AFTER bella gives birth or is that just me ????
Evie wrote: "i havent red the book yet wat is bellas power? thanks :) "Bella's powers were that she could control whats she's doing and she can put a sheild around anyone as long as she concentrates. that was probly the best part about bella in the whole book.
i wish i had that power ...anyone agree ????lthough id rally love to have edwards power as im never sure what my friends are thinking about >]
I loved Breaking Dawn!! I think it was amazing. The best of the series, definitely, and maybe even the best book I've ever read!! It was so exciting and heart-racing and stunning!! I loved how everything was so unexpected. I would never have guessed the things that Meyer came up with, but I loved them all the same!! Bella's power is so cool. I love Renesmee, she's so sweet! I'm glad that Bella can have both Edward and a child. When I first found out that Jacob imprinted on Renesmee I got SO mad, but then now I realize it's a good thing.
It's funny...before I read Breaking Dawn, I really really really hated Jacob. Now I like him, as a friend. It's weird how the book changed my view of him. Maybe because he grew up a bit and is nicer, or maybe because looking through his eyes makes me see him differently. I liked how we got to see Jacob's perspective in the middle.
I love Bella being a vampire!! I feel like she was meant to all along. And I'm glad she's able to keep her connection to Charlie!! I think the reason that she doesn't have to go through the newborn stage is because she KNEW she was going to become a vampire, she wanted to, and she was prepared for it. All the others had no idea that they're going to. And that's why she still has the same human mind.
I love the ending, it was so perfect...*sighs dreamy sigh*
There's just one thing that confuses me a bit. It's been bugging me the whole book...how was Bella able to conceive a child from Edward if he has no sperm??????
Also, I didn't really get the whole scene in their honeymoon, after Bella finds out she's pregnant, and the South American woman gets all freaked out and starts shouting at Edward in that different language...what was the "alien language" that they were speaking? And why did the woman say "Morte" while she touched Bella's swollen stomach? I know it means "death," but it doesn't really make sense why she said that...and what was she shouting about, and what was Edward pleading about...? :-/
Oh yeah and one more thing...I heard that Meyer based the Breaking Dawn plot loosely on the plot of Shakespeare's A Mid Summer Night's Dream. I know the Mid Summer Night's Dream plot, but I didn't really see any shadow of that in Breaking Dawn...can someone tell me how??