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The other theme that I would like to discuss is the Winship family. What do you think of the "dark side" of the family? Was it realistic that the daughters were accepted as the owners of the distillery? People did accept their attire as well. In those times, I would think that the family would have been shunned.
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Do you think that Pearl had it in her to do the awful things that she did at the end? Was it a culmination of the way that she had been treated her whole life? I felt it did not fit her character. She had a moody side but not a destructive side.
Jane

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I too found the technical stuff fascinating (although I will agree that this story did start slowly). I haven't reached the part about the bridge construction yet, so I will stick to gin for now. I know that women worked then, and some even wore pants (gasp!) but I found it a little unbelievable that all of those grown men would answer so willingly to a nineteen year-old woman. I would think that given the prejudices at the time that there would have been some sort of mutiny for control of the business. The author did go to great lengths however, to discuss how respected the family was, despite its shortcomings. But more interestting to me was that a woman then would even WANT to run a distillery. What? No husband and kids? Heck they were considered almost too old to marry and bear children if they were older than 20. So, that both of them would shun tradition, and be pretty eager to do it, was hard to believe.
But I am not so focused on that that I cannot enjoy the story. I like historical fiction and especially, like someone here mentioned, if it is well researched and entertaining. I am from NJ, so the fact that it is my part of the world also makes it fun for me. I would like to pose a question though, to anyone who is a couple of 100 pages into the book, who would care to answer. I have a daughter (3) who has Autism. In the story, Pearl is mute, but we are not clear on why. This is so constantly referred to as such a horrendous disability, even though cognitively she is fine, that I find myself wondering how a child like my daughther (who is pretty high-funtioning, verbal and socially aware)would have been viewed. I find myself saying to myself as I am reading---what is the big deal!? Did anyone else feel this way? Just wondering.
Colleen

SO – having done all that mea culpa – I want to say that I really had very slight twinges and few of them about the girls being accepted in their manly garb – as for the workers etc – I took it as a family run small operation and growing and all treated very fairly so that they accepted it when the father brought the girls in and so on. I really believe history alights cases of women doing just what these women did – taking upon themselves a man’s work and doing it well. In those times there were often circumstances which forced women to do just that – step in and make it work or perish. I DO think the girls are pushing it historically as to childbirth etc however but again – it isn’t bothering me enough to stop my enjoying the book.
I’ve loved the distilling info – remember I’ve grown fond of my gin – well, Genever as in Flanders and the Netherlands, but still gin none-the-less. And the making of the model and those drawings – wow. It’s going to be interesting to see how she takes it from there but I’m enjoying it as I said – enough to try to put off finishing it so soon.
My first response is that the reaction to Pearl’s handicap really doesn’t seem to ring true – there were probably more people with handicaps included in daily life then than now – at least that’s my thinking.

One thing that catches me is the resistance to hgih drama in this book. Barton has just as much sex and suicide as Guest did for Ordinary People, yet she seems to spend more time describing how to make gin than how Pru felt when she took her first lover. As near as I can tell the answer to the second question is "pretty good".
There might be a theme there, but I probably ought to finish the book to see if I get crossed up.
-- Jim in Oregon

I agree with you. Definately no "high drama" here. Everything is pretty understated, and technical.
And if I have to hear one more time about how Pru feels guilty about some childish prank with a doll, I am going to scream.
Read my lips..."You didn't cause her to be non-verbal!!"
There...I am better now.
Colleen

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I agree that the Pearl we were presented with did not seem to have it in her to do the things she did, but remember that we saw her largely from Prue's vantage point. If she had the same depression and anger her mother lived with, maybe all the years of being treated as a child built up to a rage comparable to the conflagration she caused.
When I finished this, I was left with a mood very somber and depressed. I must have been effected, but it's not the effect I like books to have. I don't mind depressing books, but I like being left with a ray of hope. Brookland seemed rather bereft of hope in the end, didn't it?

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I didn't really understand why Pearl was so upset. Pru had given her the permission to marry. Yes, it was a half-hearted, "I can't stop you", but Pearl went berserk.
I didn't feel depressed like you did. Pru had Recompense and her husband and sister. The business seemed to be doing well. On the other hand, it certainly made me think of the infant mortality rate in those days.
Jane

I need some encouragement. I'm starting to skim.
R

[http://podcasts.ciweb.org/chautauqua-...]
While the actual events in the book are fictional,she did a lot of period reasearch and found that women were more active in business in the late 18th century than is commonly supposed.

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I was interested in Pearl, and I could understand at first when she was treated as an invalid. But later, particularly when she did that beautiful, accurate drawing, I couldn't understand how she was just shoved back into the closet.
However, as much as she was confined, I had a hard time swallowing that final scene before she walked out of the house. Her protests before weren't strong enough for me to believe the extreme reaction at the end.
All in all, I think the book could have benefitted from a generous amount of editorial pruning. I was skimming a lot towards the end.
R

I eventually warmed to the meandering, fact filled quality of the book, thinking that a great deal of it reflected the sensibility of a business person in the 18th century. You shut down the distillery for weeks to mourn your father's death, and then you go back to work since you are still alive that it what being alive is about. There is not much more to know about the death of a father other than it feels bad, and there is quite a bit more to know about building a bridge.
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I am in Ruth's camp on this one, Jim. Pearl did have a rebellious streak, but she seemed to care for her family. This Pearl in the end was much too destructive and did not match the Pearl during the rest of the story. I think she wanted out of the family, so that is perhaps the main reason that she got pregnant. Then they would have to allow her to marry the preacher.
Jane

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commit arson and run away. Looks like she shot herself in the foot.

When she couldn't get that life, she attacked the symbols of that. I wonder if Tem's alcoholism and refusal to marry isn't another version of the same problem. At heart this is a feminist tale.

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I felt that Barton had been slowly dropping hints throughout the book that Pearl resented being left out of everything of consequence and was becoming more and more disappointed by how restricted she was by her family. It's not hard for me to see this turning into fierce anger, especially when she saw the distillery and bridge as things they had shut her out of.
There's something else about the relationship between Will Severn and Prue. She was attracted to him. I wondered if he felt some of the same attraction to her but never acted on it because of what he knew she was doing with Ben. If so, could Pearl have sensed that or realized it later while she was staying there? If so, it would mean that Prue had everything, the distillery, the bridge, Ben and Will.
Barb

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And, Ruth, I had the same thought about the gin. Hard liquor gives such a major hangover.
Barb

And I was always a bit shocked out of the book when I realized how early in our nation's history this was supposed to have been. I don't know why it is, but it seemed more modern a tale.

Barb, I saw all those hints about Pearl's dissatisfaction. It was obvious she was unhappy. But it never seemed to me she was disturbed unhappy, unbalanced unhappy. She never did anything that seemed more than just a little pique. To have that happen at the end didn't seem to follow.
What about her disappearance at the end? I kind of liked that she was never heard from again. Sometimes novelists are too anxious to tie up all the loose ends. Life consists of loose ends.
But I kept wondering how she could possibly survive. Well, maybe she didn't.

I agree about the "curse". This weighed down Prue her whole life, and I thought that she would outgrow it just as she gave up the idea that Manhattan was where the dead people went. Prue was scientific and rational about her work in the distillery and on the bridge. It didn't seem right that she didn't get over the "curse".
Jane


Also, didn't you wish that Barton had developed the character of the mother a bit more? I understood that she left her family and was cast out by them because she married Matty. Then, she didn't feel accepted by the new community. But, there was such a little bit of the text devoted to the reasons for her feelings of isolation and so much devoted to her relationship with Johanna and her break-down when Johanna died. And, she seemed like such a strong person initially. I couldn't imagine her not finding a way to make some kind of inroads into that social structure.
Barb