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Jayda wrote: "I believe in God, as well as evolution :)"

Me, too.


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Picture  Perfect (picturesperfect) | 312 comments Jayda wrote: "I believe in God, as well as evolution :)"

Can you explain like how? My friend told me that it's so hard for people like Christians to accept evolution because of the Adam and Eve belief. How is it with Mormons?


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tesni (akhmatova) | 5031 comments Mello wrote: "If anyone cares -_____-'

Gay rights? Well, my general rule on these sorts of things is that if it's not harming anyone or the environment then why is it any of my or your concern? If two consentin..."


*sobs uncontrollably at Grave of the Fireflies reference*


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tesni (akhmatova) | 5031 comments Picture wrote: "So? Creation or Big Bang or something else for the beginning of the universe theory?

I really don't know, but I'm interested in what other people think."


I guess I just believe in the Big Bang. I mean, I don't know, maybe it's something else, but physics and such have always made that seem more plausible than a higher being creating it.


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Baxter (julietrocksmysocks) | 2455 comments Mod
Picture wrote: "Jayda wrote: "I believe in God, as well as evolution :)"

Can you explain like how? My friend told me that it's so hard for people like Christians to accept evolution because of the Adam and Eve be..."


Not all Christians think Adam and Eve were real people.


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Jayda | 2761 comments Picture wrote: "Jayda wrote: "I believe in God, as well as evolution :)"

Can you explain like how? My friend told me that it's so hard for people like Christians to accept evolution because of the Adam and Eve be..."


Well, evolution is a personal belief for me :) Anyone who's studied science should believe at least part of it, which I do. I don't remember which one though - micro or macro evolution. Not all Mormons believe in evolution, but I do, and I think my family does as well.

Anyway, parts of evolution make perfect sense, though I haven't studied it in forever. I disagree with the idea that humans evolved from some other creature, but I'm sure that the world evolved. The whole "God created the universe in 7 days time" thing isn't a 24 hour per day thing. God's time is much different than ours - it says so in the Bible. So, it definitely could've taken millions of years, based on our time, and we don't know how long Adam and Eve were actually in the Garden of Eden. Until they partook of the fruit of knowledge of good and evil they didn't age so they could've been in the Garden for centuries and we wouldn't know. The thing is, is people take the way MEN worded the Bible too literally. It was written by men, who are imperfect, and translated sooooo many times that the Bible is most definitely flawed - not because of God, but because of the imperfections of man.

Along with that, God could've made evolution happen during those periods of time during creation and Adam and Even partaking of the fruit to test the reality of faith. Faith isn't something that is seen, but something that is believed in :)


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Abigail Williams | 251 comments I believe in God. Plus to me evolution seems impossible. I mean, suddenly there's a bang and then there's a universe. Come on.
Plus Jayda is right. Seven days doesn't have to mean 24 hours. Different time period, or how the heck would dinosaurs fit in?


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Jayda | 2761 comments The Big Bang and evolution are 2 different thnigs :)

Well, God could've created dinosaurs. You never know. We don't know everything God did to make it to where we needed to have more faith.


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Brigid ✩ | 11973 comments Mod
Abigail wrote: "I believe in God. Plus to me evolution seems impossible. I mean, suddenly there's a bang and then there's a universe. Come on.
Plus Jayda is right. Seven days doesn't have to mean 24 hours. Differe..."


Like Jayda said, you're confusing evolution with the Big Bang. Also, your argument against the Big Bang doesn't make much sense.

"I mean, suddenly there's a bang and then there's a universe. Come on."

The same could be said about Creationism:

"I mean, suddenly there's a bang and God makes the universe. Come on."

Either way, it's hard to comprehend that there was nothing before the universe existed.


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Picture  Perfect (picturesperfect) | 312 comments Baxter wrote: "Picture wrote: "Jayda wrote: "I believe in God, as well as evolution :)"

Can you explain like how? My friend told me that it's so hard for people like Christians to accept evolution because of th..."


I never assumed that. I was just repeating what my friend gave as a reason to why her family had a hard time believing the theory of evolution. I didn't mean to generalize Christians.


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Baxter (julietrocksmysocks) | 2455 comments Mod
Picture wrote: "Baxter wrote: "Picture wrote: "Jayda wrote: "I believe in God, as well as evolution :)"

Can you explain like how? My friend told me that it's so hard for people like Christians to accept evolutio..."


Yeah, I know. I was just refuting the opinion your friend gave.


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Abigail Williams | 251 comments yeah sorry I don't know that much on evolution and the Big Bang. I just believe that God created it.
And I know it is hard to believe but I really do think it's true instead of all the other things.


message 1263: by Acacia (last edited Oct 04, 2011 11:43AM) (new)

Acacia (acaciaa) Any specific reasoning behind that? Just curious; different people have different logic for why they believe what they believe, and it's always interesting to hear.


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♫♥Selena♥♫ (wertyiu102) | 338 comments @ Acacia- Yeah.. I was a little bit serious. And it does have to do with evolution! Evolution is any change that happens to us over time, and aliens inter-breeding with us is SO evolution. It explains a lot, too. o__o; I've only watched one and a quarter episodes of Ancient Aliens, and LOOK WHERE IT'S GOTTEN ME!!!!!

Mello- I agree with you, actually. :) BUT DO NOT WATCH GRAVE OF THE FIREFLIES. I'm sorry.. I still have nightmares of their mothers maggoty body, bandaged and... And the sister dying because she didn't have enough sugar... Yeah, it's awful. Really, really awful. Oh, and Hayao Miyazaki IS a pacifist, so it makes sense, really.

I believe 99% in evolution. Think about it. Corn used to be small and brown and notvery delicious. And look at it now. Evolution.

Also, I think that humans have evolved faster than the apes because we adapt faster, and maybe, we have much more gentic mutations. Can't genetic mutations be passed down through generations, therefore causing a giant leap in our evolution process? I think yes.

Oh, and also, I am not really for Creationism, because I think it's RIDICULOUS how people don't believe in dinosaurs because "The Bible doesn't say that God created Dinosaurs." I'm not kidding. I mean, I can see WHY they don't believe in it, but still...

I do think that stories in the bible, or any other religious book, are partially true. I think they are exaggerated somewhat, but they were probably based off of true stories.


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Picture  Perfect (picturesperfect) | 312 comments ♫♥Selena♥♫ wrote: "@ Acacia- Yeah.. I was a little bit serious. And it does have to do with evolution! Evolution is any change that happens to us over time, and aliens inter-breeding with us is SO evolution. It expla..."

Corn is actually not evolution. It's called genetic engineering. You can look it up if you want to know more. :P


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Baxter (julietrocksmysocks) | 2455 comments Mod
♫♥Selena♥♫ wrote: "@ Acacia- Yeah.. I was a little bit serious. And it does have to do with evolution! Evolution is any change that happens to us over time, and aliens inter-breeding with us is SO evolution. It expla..."

Fun fact, Miyazaki had nothing to do with Grave of the Fireflies! That said, hot dang that movie. One of the best war films I've seen.


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Jayda | 2761 comments ♫♥Selena♥♫ wrote: "Oh, and also, I am not really for Creationism, because I think it's RIDICULOUS how people don't believe in dinosaurs because "The Bible doesn't say that God created Dinosaurs." I'm not kidding. I mean, I can see WHY they don't believe in it, but still..."

Not all Christians/people who believe in God/Creationism don't believe that the dinosaurs existed... I believe they did. Just saying.


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tesni (akhmatova) | 5031 comments Baxter wrote: "♫♥Selena♥♫ wrote: "@ Acacia- Yeah.. I was a little bit serious. And it does have to do with evolution! Evolution is any change that happens to us over time, and aliens inter-breeding with us is SO ..."

ISAAAO TAKAAAAAHAAAATAAAAA. ♥_____♥
So much love for that man and his works. Except I just about sobbed my guts out when I watched Grave of the Fireflies.


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Annemarie Carlson (annielawlz) | 3393 comments Mod
♫♥Selena♥♫ wrote: "@ Acacia- Yeah.. I was a little bit serious. And it does have to do with evolution! Evolution is any change that happens to us over time, and aliens inter-breeding with us is SO evolution. It expla..."

NUUUUUUUU.


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♫♥Selena♥♫ (wertyiu102) | 338 comments Baxter wrote: "♫♥Selena♥♫ wrote: "@ Acacia- Yeah.. I was a little bit serious. And it does have to do with evolution! Evolution is any change that happens to us over time, and aliens inter-breeding with us is SO ..."

I was nine when I watched it, so I forget. But I thought that he drew it. I swear I remember reading somewhere that somebody convinced him that he should make a film that's not all about fairytales and happy endings, and make one about real life. But it was really sad and scary and disgusting and my little self could not handle it any more. My dad is weird. He sees random anime movies and tells my little sister and I to watch it. The first time I watched Princess Mononoke... Urgh.

@Jayda- I know. But I said that there are SOME people who don't believe in dinosaurs or cavemen or anything like that.

Oh, and, yeah, but my selective breeding, corn farmers were evolving the corn, right?

No, I think I'm wrong.


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Brigid ✩ | 11973 comments Mod
Miyazaki is a director, not an animator. But I believe the same animators who had worked with him worked on Grave of the Fireflies.

I tried to watch that movie when I was 11 and stopped after about ... half an hour. My mom thought it was some cutesy little kids' movie or something. But ... yeah.


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Baxter (julietrocksmysocks) | 2455 comments Mod
Oh yeah, of course same animating team. It was still a Studio Ghibli movie. Just by the other guy nobody pays attention to because he isn't Miyazaki.


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Brigid ✩ | 11973 comments Mod
♫♥Selena♥♫ wrote: "Baxter wrote: "♫♥Selena♥♫ wrote: "@ Acacia- Yeah.. I was a little bit serious. And it does have to do with evolution! Evolution is any change that happens to us over time, and aliens inter-breeding..."

Oh yes, my first experience with Princess Mononoke was rather terrible. I watched it when I was 7. Bad idea. I don't think I was able to sleep for like two weeks.

I watched it again when I was 13 and liked it slightly better, but I'm still really squeamish and ... guhhhh.


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♫♥Selena♥♫ (wertyiu102) | 338 comments Brigid *Flying Kick-a-pow!* wrote: "♫♥Selena♥♫ wrote: "Baxter wrote: "♫♥Selena♥♫ wrote: "@ Acacia- Yeah.. I was a little bit serious. And it does have to do with evolution! Evolution is any change that happens to us over time, and al..."

Hayao Miyazaki actually redraws tons of frames in most films. But for all of the people that draw the frames, do they have to drwa like him? Because that's kinda crazy. O__O"

You guys make me feel dumb. c:


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Brigid ✩ | 11973 comments Mod
Does he? Um, I don't really know. XD

Why do you feel dumb?


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Jayda | 2761 comments Hmmm... I feel like this may be a slightly bad idea...

Opinions on the Occupy protests?


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Brigid ✩ | 11973 comments Mod
Oh boy.

Well, I'm still a little unclear as to what, exactly, the protests are about. And they've gotten so out of hand that I think a lot of people going to them don't even know what they're about. It probably has to do a lot with mob mentality.

However, I think the intentions are somewhat justified––although whether it will actually cause any change, I don't know. I do think there are a lot of economic problems in this country that often go ignored. And I don't like how a lot of conservatives are saying that the protestors are just a bunch of lazy bums that don't want to work––because that's making a terribly gross assumption. It's easy to say that kind of thing when you're born into a wealthy (or at least fairly well-off) family, but not everyone is so fortunate. Sure, maybe some of the protestors are lazy bums, but definitely not all of them are. There are many people in this country who have to work several jobs at once and still can't make ends meet. My parents both work very hard, but we've still had a lot of financial problems. Yes, I still think everyone should have steady jobs, but some help now and then would make a lot of change.


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Jayda | 2761 comments Brigid *Flying Kick-a-pow!* wrote: "Oh boy.

Well, I'm still a little unclear as to what, exactly, the protests are about. And they've gotten so out of hand that I think a lot of people going to them don't even know what they're abo..."


They really have gotten way too out of hand. There are something like 8 or 12 counts of rape, a few counts of molestation, and several people dead all throughout the country at these protests. I don't understand why the government isn't doing something about this, because it's complete chaos.

I agree - the economy sucks, and a lot of problems do often go ignored. And I agree, it's not fair of conservatives (I admit that I am one) to assume that all of them are lazy bums who don't want to work, although after watching several interviews with a bunch of the people just on Wall Street alone a lot of them are like that - they say they don't have jobs and they don't want to work for what they want, so the government should do it. But I'm sure they're not the only ones out there.

But I do disagree with your last sentence, to an extent. Yes, everyone should work to get a job. But you can't expect everything to be handed to you.

Trust me, I know what it's like to be poor. My family is middle-class now and we still have a lot of financial issues. In fact, if something bad happens that costs a lot of money in the next month we'll have to sell our Christmas presents. But I do pretty much disagree with these protests.

My main problem is that with the commercials that are coming out, and the interviews and everything, a LOT of their complaints have nothing to do with anything but what they've done to themselves - such as debt. Sure, debt sucks, and I'm going to avoid it like the plague. But do you expect banks to excuse every case of debt because you just can't afford it? The banks can't afford that. Government shouldn't do bail outs because the country can't afford that at this point - we're already too far into debt. If you ask for a loan you need to pay it back. If I asked my parents for loan I'd be required, by law, to pay them back. Same with the loans from the banks. The banks aren't evil, in my opinion. Yes, debt SUCKS. But if you don't think you can afford it, or you can't pay it off then try to avoid it at all costs.

There are one guy that really bothered me in an interview. He was complaining that he tried to refinance his house so he could afford the payments, but he wasn't allowed to do so. Yes, that seriously sucks. But that's why you spend money and buy things below your means. Don't buy luxury houses because in the moment you can afford it, or barely afford it. Buy a house that you can easily afford so you don't end up in this kind of mess. It's your own fault if you bought a house, knowing it'd be hard to pay for it, and can't refinance it then don't complain that the government should step in. That's ridiculous. It's your own fault you're in that situation in the first place.

But, also, I think a lot of people are forgetting that there are LOADS of people on the right who aren't at these protests that aren't well off, or are even poor. They don't expect money or houses or anything to be handed to them when they're not working to get out of that situation because that isn't what should happen. If you're working hard to find employment, and if you're trying your best, going out to job interviews all week then yes, a hand is wonderful, and you should take it until you're on your feet. It's the people who take the government's help and don't work to get out of that situation that are the problem.

Okay, my last thing :P Sorry, this is wayyyyy long. I've just been watching this very closely, from both sides, and have a lot to say but I have to go soon.

They're comparing these guys to the Tea Parties. I went to Tea Parties. We didn't have guns, we didn't shoot people, we didn't attack stores, steal things, fight against police, molest children, rape men and women, etc. We had peaceful rallies with speeches to try and make a point and then it was over and we walked away. These aren't like the tea parties, sorry to say. These are violent, chaotic protests that are getting out of hand. It'd be one thing if they weren't defiling people's property, or assaulting police forces, or injuring other people. If that wasn't the case then I'd be totally fine with the protests, regardless of whether or not half of them know why they're even there. But that's not the case, unfortunately.

Sorry for that looooooong post. I didn't expect it to be so long. And unfortunately I have to go before I read through it before I post, so there may be some typos and such, but yeah, that's the basics :P


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Brigid ✩ | 11973 comments Mod
Haha it's okay. I didn't notice any typos ...

But I do disagree with your last sentence, to an extent. Yes, everyone should work to get a job. But you can't expect everything to be handed to you.

I don't think things should just be handed to people either. I agree that it's not very logical for people to get themselves into debt and then expect someone else to pay it off for them. But there are certain things people can't help––like having health problems for example––which aren't their fault.

There's also the problem of paying for education. Everyone wants to get an education, send their kids to college, etc. And in struggling families, that's a big problem. I'm constantly worrying about how I'm going to pay for college. I held a job throughout high school and I'm trying to get a work study job now, and I also got a couple of scholarships, but I still will have thousands of dollars in loans to pay off. Whereas, there are wealthy families who can just send their kids off to school without a worry.

Of course, I'm not sure what could be done about these issues. Obviously the government can't pay for everyone to go to college or anything like that. I just think it's unfair that there are certain groups of people who hold all the wealth––many of whom inherited it in some way instead of working for it. But the thing is, some of it is just fate. And yeah, it sucks, but like I said, I don't know if the protests will do anything about it.

I know that a lot of really awful things have happened during the protests, but as I said previously I think that has much more to do with mob mentality than with the actual issues at hand.

I don't know much about what the Tea Party protests are like, besides that I don't agree with them. Although I think whether they're similar to the Occupy protests is somewhat irrelevant. I'm not saying either one is more justified than the other since they come from two very different viewpoints.


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Jayda | 2761 comments Brigid *Flying Kick-a-pow!* wrote: "Haha it's okay. I didn't notice any typos ...

But I do disagree with your last sentence, to an extent. Yes, everyone should work to get a job. But you can't expect everything to be handed to you.
..."


True. But I'm not in favor for universal healthcare, or socialized healthcare. I think the smartest thing to do would be to take down the state lines for insurance companies so that there's more competition, which in the end would bring prices down. But regardless of whether or not we have socialized healthcare, we still have to pay for our own healthcare - whether through taxes, or not.

Oh trust me, I know the stress of college :P That's half of the reason I haven't started going yet - money. Money is definitely an issue, for a lot of people. My parents took out loans, and yes, it sucks, but we're not going to hate the wealthy because they have a good enough life to be able to easily afford some college. Some of them did inherit it, but that's irrelevant - it's their money. They should be able to decide what they do with it. Of course, some of them are DEFINITELY selfish, and I disagree with that. But that's part of living in a free country - you have the option to try, buy, sell, fail, etc. You have the right to pursue happiness, to pursue wealth, but you don't just automatically deserve it because you only get 50k a year and have 5 kids. You have the right to try things out, to try and sell it and make it work, and in the end you can either succeed, or fail. But you don't have the right to, in the end, steal money from the wealth. We all pay the same taxes. The rich don't pay less taxes than the middle-class or poor. We all pay the same percentage, with the exception for things like people in the household, business, etc.

But yeah, I doubt the protests are going to do anything about the class warfare. I personally think class warfare is completely ridiculous. Sure, I'd love to be wealthy, and the fact that I'm not doesn't mean I can't or won't be. If I work hard enough, maybe I'll get a lot of money. That's how all of the wealthy in turn got their money - someone worked hard for it.

It definitely is irrelevant. The media/press and even the President are who are making it "relevant". They're being ridiculous about it, saying that these protests are peaceful, OR going the other route and saying that they're violent just like the Tea Parties, which the Tea Parties weren't. It's just aggravating that the media is so one-sided and constantly trying to make the right side look bad.

I'll be the first to admit that Republicans are horrible. I disagree with them on a lot of issues, and politicians in general are ridiculous and I dislike pretty much all of them, both left and right. I'm really kind of just in the middle. I hate party lines. I'll vote for whoever, no matter the party, if I agree with how they want to run the country, you know? It's just aggravating when the press are SOOOOO on-sided and are constantly bashing the right side, when the left side is equally as screwed up.

Sorry, I don't talk politics with a lot of people anymore so I guess I had to vent? :P Anyway, you get my point :)


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Baxter (julietrocksmysocks) | 2455 comments Mod
Jayda wrote: "That's how all of the wealthy in turn got their money - someone worked hard for it."

Oh yeah, somebody worked hard for that money, it just doesn't always end up in the hands of the people who worked for it.

I couldn't help myself with that.Unrelated problem: MY VOTE IS WORTH NOTHING IN THIS DANG STATE. I mean, it'd be worth nothing anywhere with my increasing support for the green party, but still. At least get me in a state with some voting action.


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Jayda | 2761 comments Baxter wrote: "Oh yeah, somebody worked hard for that money, it just doesn't always end up in the hands of the people who worked for it."

I know :P My point was that everyone acts like the wealthy just magically ended up with millions, or billions of dollars and they didn't earn it, nor do they deserve it.

But then it usually ends up in the hands of family members, or trusted friends. It's not up to us, or the government, to decide who the person decides to leave their money to when they pass on.


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Baxter (julietrocksmysocks) | 2455 comments Mod
I think the main problem they have is like, the whole deal with CEOs and suchlike people getting massive crazy bonuses when by the gods they should not be. I can't remember that one company that made the news big time over that a few years ago but yeah. That's one of the main problems. The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer and by way of magical economics, becoming an outlier to that is progressively getting more and more difficult.

POST SCRIPTAN IT UP. I've really begun to stop seeing the occupy wall street thing as much of a protest--it has begun evolving into what could be considered the left version of the Tea Party in that they have (to moderate America at least) extreme views and are very, very public about it all. I'm seriously betting it will eventually end up as a political party instead of a massive protest. Assuming they can figure out how to not be an angry mob and get organised.


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Annemarie Carlson (annielawlz) | 3393 comments Mod
Baxter wrote: "I think the main problem they have is like, the whole deal with CEOs and suchlike people getting massive crazy bonuses when by the gods they should not be. I can't remember that one company that ma..."

Enron?


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Brigid ✩ | 11973 comments Mod
Jayda wrote: "Brigid *Flying Kick-a-pow!* wrote: "Haha it's okay. I didn't notice any typos ...

But I do disagree with your last sentence, to an extent. Yes, everyone should work to get a job. But you can't exp..."


Heh, I don't think I can really say anything else that I haven't already said.

I don't like politicians much either. Or the party system––I feel like it tries to make everything too black and white.


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Isaac | 8014 comments Protect-IP Act, anyone?

Don't get me started about how much I'm against it. >.<


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Baxter (julietrocksmysocks) | 2455 comments Mod
I'm... nobody. wrote: "Protect-IP Act, anyone?

Don't get me started about how much I'm against it. >.<"


mite b cool


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Brigid ✩ | 11973 comments Mod
I don't really understand what the whole thing is about. All I know is that all day everything on the Internet has been like, "GUYZ THEY'RE GOING TO CENSOR EVERYTHING WE DO ON THE INTERNETZ AND IT'S LIKE 1984!!!!!" But I don't really know how true that is, or what the law even says or anything like that... I am anti-censorship, but I don't know how much people are blowing this thing out of proportion.


message 1289: by Isaac (new)

Isaac | 8014 comments Well, the bill failed apparently, but if I read correct basically the government could ban any website they wanted too.


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Isaac | 8014 comments Guys, this is the best debate ever:

Wand or lightsaber?


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Brigid ✩ | 11973 comments Mod
Wand. Because a lightsaber can only do one thing.


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Baxter (julietrocksmysocks) | 2455 comments Mod
Wands are just glorified penises. Lightsabers are like...light. AND sabers. So lightsabers, easy.


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Brigid ✩ | 11973 comments Mod
They are both glorified penises.


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Baxter (julietrocksmysocks) | 2455 comments Mod
...Touche.


message 1295: by Elliott (last edited Dec 30, 2011 06:01PM) (new)

Elliott | 22634 comments Mod
I'm not sure if this has already been discussed but I'm wondering what everyone's thoughts on the Westboro Baptist Church are. (The church in Topeka that protests against gay people and all that.) Not necessarily if you think it's right or not because... well, I guess it is debatable if that's right or wrong, but I'm assuming no one here thinks it's right. I want to know if you think they should be allowed to say the things they say or not.
(Novel research, for the win.)


message 1296: by Isaac (new)

Isaac | 8014 comments Lightsabers can deflect spells. Wands can't.

And if you wield a lightsaber you have control of the Force, making you more agile and athletically fit and even giving you special powers and letting you glimpse ahead to see what people will do and get your reflexes ready.

LIGHTSABER FTW.


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Isaac | 8014 comments Lav [and I still count the minutes] wrote: "I'm not sure if this has already been discussed but I'm wondering what everyone's thoughts on the Westboro Baptist Church are. (The church in Topeka that protests against gay people and all that.) ..."

It's one thing to protest but's another thing to be disrespectful and ruin moments that are supposed to remember somebody special. I mean, if their family died they wouldn't want people showing up at the funeral telling them that because they were so bad God killed them.


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Elliott | 22634 comments Mod
Do you think something should be done to stop them?


message 1299: by Isaac (new)

Isaac | 8014 comments Not like police force, but something.


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Lav [and I still count the minutes] wrote: "I'm not sure if this has already been discussed but I'm wondering what everyone's thoughts on the Westboro Baptist Church are. (The church in Topeka that protests against gay people and all that.) ..."

I think they are some of the most despicable human beings in the world. They say truly horrible and disrespectful things, and they pretty much only say them just to get attention and to get money from people suing them. They used to show up at my high school to protest gay rights, and we would mostly just ignore them ... but still, it was infuriating to hear the things they were saying.

However, they're not doing anything unconstitutional, which is the biggest problem. I can't say that they don't have a right to their opinion, because everyone has freedom of speech. The things they do and say may be terrible, but giving them attention is exactly what they want and what they need in order to keep protesting. I think the best strategy is to just walk past them and try not to listen––which is hard, but hopefully they will give up someday.


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