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Um... Mormons didn't ban marijuana in Utah because of that. I'm a Mormon...
Jayda wrote: "Um... Mormons didn't ban marijuana in Utah because of that. I'm a Mormon..."*awkward moment*
Then, why? Sorry, maybe I was misinformed. I don't mean to offend. :/
I have nothing against any religion.
Haha it's fine, I just go hard for my religion because there are a LOT of lies out there.Utah wasn't actually the first state to ban Marijuana. California was, and then Utah banned it in 1915. I don't think Mormons specifically were the ones that banned it, but around that time Utah was majority Mormons, I do believe. It wasn't until about 1920ish that Mormons started spreading out, I think? I don't know a whole lot about the statistics of how many Mormons were in Utah around that time, but it wasn't our church that banned marijuana. It was the state. Majority of people were Mormons around that time, though, so I can kind of understand why it could be taken that it was the Mormon church that banned it, though we didn't ourselves. A lot of people in government in Utah were Mormon around that time, too.
Anyway, we are against using marijuana/drugs, but our church wasn't what banned marijuana - it was the state. And the reasons the documentary stated are total fallacy.
Jayda wrote: "Haha it's fine, I just go hard for my religion because there are a LOT of lies out there.Utah wasn't actually the first state to ban Marijuana. California was, and then Utah banned it in 1915. I ..."
Actually, I think I was the one who got the whole "first" thing wrong. And I suppose the documentary goofed up some of its info with religious bias as well, but I still think it's a very riveting documentary with a lot of good points made.
Haha. That's ironic that California was the first to ban marijuana considering that they are considering legalizing it now. Haha.
Yeah, anyway, it's cool that you're Mormon. Yeah, there are a lot of lies and stereotypes out there in all religions. It's interesting to meet different people in the end. :)
Maybe I'll check the documentary out! I just wonder how totally accurate it is since it messed that part up big time. But then again, I try not to take "facts" as truth until I do some research of my own :)Haha, I know right? I think it's very ironic!
True :) It's ridiculous some of the stuff people think about us. And it doesn't help that some groups of people broke off from our religion and then people get them mixed up with us. Like Warren Jeffs... he's not actually Mormon, but people think he is because they don't care to tell them that there's a difference :/ It drives me crazy.
*randomly pops in* I'M MORMON TOO. =D
Yeah... there's a lot of myths about Mormons. My best friend in 8th grade was Mormon, and she said that in middle school her brother's teacher refused to believe him when he said the church didn't support polygamy.
Yeah, most people don't believe us when we tell them that. But I think I'd know if I had more than one mom, and all of my friends had more than one mom, too :PThat's why it bothers me that the break-offs of our church (FLDS and RLDS) don't distinguish themselves. People mix them up with us, but we're totally separated from them. FLDS and RLDS (I do believe) both practice polygamy, but regular LDS/Mormons don't.
Holden wrote: "Jayda wrote: "Yeah, most people don't believe us when we tell them that. But I think I'd know if I had more than one mom, and all of my friends had more than one mom, too :PThat's why it bother..."
valid point.
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I said I didn't care if it was legal or not. I don't care if cigarettes or alcohol are legal or not. Whether it's legal or illegal, people are going to use and abuse these substances. And it doesn't affect me personally because I choose to stay away from that stuff. So why should tobacco and alcohol be legal while marijuana isn't? I don't know. My point was that it's bad for your brain development, since Juliet said it wasn't.
Hahaha. You called her Juliet.Anyway. That was meant to be an argument against the population at general, not your point. I agree with you.
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That's why it bothers me that the br..."
There are so many misconceptions about Mormon people, it's crazy. My best friend is a Mormon and I'm a Seventh-Day Adventist. All my friends at school know nothing about Mormons except all of those assumptions and it drives me insane. I'm constantly yelling at people that they're wrong. (I tend to fight other people's battles a bit too often... it just BOTHERS me when people are wrong.)
Acacia wrote: "Emily [Like you really care.] wrote: "I don't know much about marijuana. If you get involved in any drug, I think you screwed up your life 'cause you get addicted, and people do things for addicti..."I'm not saying it applies to everybody.
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Anyway. That was meant to be an argument against the population at general, not your point. I agree with you."
Well, her username is still Juliet ... partly. And that's what people here know her as. So.
Right, I know. It just sounds funny to me now.
((Random thought, but why does it seem like everybody on here is Mormon?))
Right? There are tons of Mormons on this group. :) I'm not, though.My views:
Gay rights: DEFINITELY. I absolutely supposrt it, 100%.
War: No way, no way, no WAY. VIOLENCE IS NEVER THE ANSWER.
Evolution: Yes, duuuh. I believe that aliens interbred with us to make us smarter. Uhdurhurrr. No, but, really. I don't think that Stonehenge and those ancient, perfect spheres of rock were possible without other-worldy help. Just saying.
Legalizing Marijuana: Of course! There's nothing REALLY wrong with it. I mean, if you are able to control yourself, it can really hlep you. And also, it's all natural. Especially with medical marijuana, it's fine. See, when we legalize marijuana and people get it straight from the plant, it's not as bad because the ones that drug dealers sell are filled with OTHER drugs. Yuck.
Abortion: Yes. Go for it. Did you know that some people are killing abortion providers because, "technically", they're murderers. However, I don't think so.
At the time that you are ABLE to have an abortion, the baby is nothing but a few cells. Technically, it hasn't breathed or eaten or talked or lived, so it isn't a LIFE. My friend said: It's like a parasite inside of you, leeching at your nutrients! So, that's how I feel. if you don't want to keep the baby, then don't do it. Better than have it thrown into an orphanage and then put into an illegal pedophile circle.
I'm sorry, but I do not agree with your view on abortion in any ways. You make it sound like the devil is growing inside of you and you need to kill it to live.
Emily [Like you really care.] wrote: "Your view on abortion is so sick.I'm sorry, but I do not agree with your view on abortion in any ways. You make it sound like the devil is growing inside of you and you need to kill it to live."
Haha, that's a good way to look at it. I couldn't figure out how to word it.
I disagree with the abortion part, though my opinions clash with that one. I do believe that it's the woman's choice to do what she wants with her body, but I also believe that that choice starts when you have unprotected sex. You have unprotected sex for fun and get pregnant? Tough freaking luck.
But in the cases of rape and incest, where it wasn't the woman's choice, I'm okay with it. I don't condone it, but the woman didn't have a choice to begin with.
I just don't agree with abortion. If you're old enough to have sex you should be old enough to understand that if you go unprotected you're likely to get pregnant. Don't want to get pregnant? Don't have sex. Or, if you MUST, use protection in all forms - birth control and condoms.
♫♥Selena♥♫ wrote: "Right? There are tons of Mormons on this group. :) I'm not, though.My views:
Gay rights: DEFINITELY. I absolutely supposrt it, 100%.
War: No way, no way, no WAY. VIOLENCE IS NEVER THE AN..."
I also disagree with the abortion part, and I'm Pro-Choice. But I'm Pro-Very Regulated Choice. I feel like abortion should only be considered in cases of rape, medical diseases that can be harmful to both the baby and mother, and stuff like that.
They way you make it sound is truly horrible. A parasite? It's still, life, honey. It's not something to shrug your shoulders about. Abortion is not a birth control option. Though I do support stem cell research, I don't agree with treating abortion as a birth control. I support stem cell research because I want to find answers to horrible diseases that kill people that have lived on this Earth for a long time. But abortion is not a birth control.
Pedophile circle and orphanage? Lol. The only two options out there. Or you could just abort the little parasite. Right? Yup. Totally. Get it out of me.
That's just sickening. I feel like you don't understand abortion really well. I don't agree with life beginning at conception, but I still think that there is something inside of the woman that is beautiful no matter what caused it.
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My views:
Gay rights: DEFINITELY. I absolutely supposrt it, 100%.
War: No way, no way, no WAY. VIOLENCE IS NEVER THE AN..."
1. I also fully support gay rights.
2. War ... I just expressed my views on this topic not long ago so I don't really feel like repeating myself. Basically I think war is inevitable due to human nature so I can't really support or oppose it.
3. I agree about evolution. You have to ignore a lot of facts in order to deny that evolution exists. I'm taking Animal Behavior Theory right now, and basically none of it would make sense if it wasn't backed up by evolution. Heck, biology as a whole doesn't make sense without evolution. It's a fact that organisms have to survive in order to produce offspring. It's a fact that genes get passed from parents to offspring, thus causing those genes to continue to be passed on. And that's what causes such tiny changes over time.
4. Legalizing marijuana we've been talking about for a while so ... blah blah.
5. Look ... I'm pro-choice too. But stating your opinion that way is what makes so many pro-lifers think we're such "sick" people. No, I don't say "Go for it." I don't like abortion and I wish women would try as hard as they can to avoid it. Like Jayda said, it's a choice to have unprotected sex. And if you make that choice and get pregnant, I don't think it's a responsible thing to do to get an abortion. However, there are cases where contraception might not work, or a woman gets raped, etc. in which case I consider it more acceptable, but still not a "good" thing.
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Can I just have a moment to laugh?"Go for it."
Hell, yeah. Lol. Condoms. Who cares? We have abortion. Works a lot better, man.
Poor word choice maybe? Yeah, I think so.
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By royal and unreasonable decree from mod who likes nice stuff, calm your butts. And, when somebody is expressing an opinion about something that doesn't clearly invade those basic rights to life and stuff, try to avoid calling their ideas 'sick'. (No, abortion is not a clear deal.)
Baxter wrote: "EY YO PICTURE, AND ERRYBODY ELSE. By royal and unreasonable decree from mod who likes nice stuff, calm your butts. And, when somebody is expressing an opinion about something that doesn't clearly ..."
Whoops. Too much metal today, I'm afraid. Lol. Sorry, won't happen again, boss.
I feel bad now. But, I didn't say the parasite thing. My friend did. I'm also fine with whatever people want to do with their lives. By the way, in case you haven't noticed, my religious views are... Ehhh... I am not religious, really. Sometimes, I go to Buddhist temples, because both of my parents are from Asia. Also, I'm from Hawaii. In Hawaii, we're a lot different from the continental U.S.A. About 50% of us are not religious, and probably 15% of us are Buddhist. The rest are Christian, a form of it, or something else. See, so our views on things are very different. Of course, it doesn't help that the "parasite" friend is a cat-loving sadistic freak. -.-"
Abortion is like the most debated thing in the world, second, probably, to religion. So, I can think what I can thin, but I don't think abortion is necessary. When people get pregnant and they don't want to, it's up to them whether they want to kep the baby or not. However, there IS always Plan B, you know.
And goodnight. :)
Yeah, I mean, I think the "Go for it" was less WOOO! ABORTION! and more "Who am I to stop you?", but obviously I can't speak for someone else.Also, it's possible to get pregnant without wanting to and without having unprotected sex. Birth control fails. Condoms break. Unintended pregnancies do not always result from stupidity or violence.
And in some ways, a baby can be like a parasite. It's making you sick and invading your body as a tiny group of cells that is sucking away at your energy and taking you over. Some people can't afford to have that for nine months, for medical or financial or personal reasons.
So that would be why I'm pro-choice, and not so violently opposed to what Selena.
(Except for the evolution thing. Was that serious? Because what you said was totally not related to evolution at all.)
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Acacia wrote: "Yeah, I mean, I think the "Go for it" was less WOOO! ABORTION! and more "Who am I to stop you?", but obviously I can't speak for someone else.Also, it's possible to get pregnant without wanting t..."
That makes a lot of sense. Grr...I want to delete my comment, but I don't know if I'm allowed to or whatnot. I guess it's because I babysit a lot. I love children, so it's a bit hard to see it from another person's perspective.
If anyone cares -_____-'Gay rights? Well, my general rule on these sorts of things is that if it's not harming anyone or the environment then why is it any of my or your concern? If two consenting mentally well people want to have a relationship why not? Regardless of sex, race, whatever. (But not age. 14 and 30 is just, no. Just no.)
Even if you make the argument that they're sinning or damning themselves to hell or whatever then so what. If you think they are then think that. But for chrissakes, leave us alone about it. Think what you want and leave us alone.
In my humble opinion it is a sad, sad, sad day for us as human beings when we're actually voting on the rights of others. That is truly what I think. Lice are being more progressive than we are.
War? Watch Grave of the Fireflies. That's all I have to say.
Evolution? Hm. If humans were like, evolved monkeys, right? (Right?) Why didn't all monkeys evolve? What sense would it make (IMO) for evolution to only effect some of a species? That's why I'll have to say no.
Sex? None for me, thanks. But have at it if you want to! (But remember, always use protection!)
Global warming? Yep.
Legalizing marijuana? Think of it this way: people are going to smoke it regardless of whether or not it's legal. In fact, the simple fact that it's illegal is what gets some stupid kids to try it. (And later transition into other drugs, at least that's what they say.) Legalize marijuana and we don't have anymore illegal trades of it, it stops being all the rage for dumb kids, and evil pimps no longer lace it with crack to kid these dumb kids addicted and into prostitution! (That's not confusing at all!) BASICALLY EVERYTHING PICTURE SAID. They said it better than I ever could wish to.
Abortion? Well, think of it this way: would you rather a kid be born and then hated/shunned/neglected by it's parents or just be stopped from having to go through all of that? Let's take a second here...I say the second. I'm pro-choice because no child should have to suffer not being wanted by it's parents, or worse, being loved by it's parents but even still dying of starvation or malnourishment, slowly and painfully.
Democrat or republican? Neither, really. Leaning more towards Democrat, though, mainly because Republicans can be dumb as, as, as something really dumb. And Obama seems to have at least basic human levels of common sense, which is really all I ask.
(I say "think of it this way" a lot...)
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Because some monkeys have consistently lived in conditions that don't require them to make dramatic evolutionary changes. Of course, like everything else, they are always evolving anyway. Just not in a becoming-more-human way.
Humans aren't quite evolved monkeys either. As I understand it, both evolved from a common ancestor. Some of the members of that common ancestor species adapted to their environment in different ways, and those different ways formed the new specieses.
Hm. Yes, okay, I understand that. But I still don't quite get why humans would evolve so drastically away from monkeys and why monkeys would stay the same, only evolving little by little. After all, it was indeed humans that changed their environment by building things and blowing up things and all that. The environment didn't change so drastically on its own by magic. I don't know. There just isn't enough solid, clear evidence for me to really believe in it that strongly. Science is great, I like it, but some things don't click all that well.(I love this thread btw.)
Mello wrote: "Hm. Yes, okay, I understand that. But I still don't quite get why humans would evolve so drastically away from monkeys and why monkeys would stay the same, only evolving little by little. After all..."I think it's because maybe you're thinking about spider monkeys. When scientists talk about human evolution, they're thinking more like chimpanzees. Apes. But yeah, you're kind of right. Science is tricky because it's not always right. Science too evolves. We may not know everything, but science teaches us to keep learning and discovering.
I mean, there's some new scientific notion that there are particles that can travel faster than the speed of light. This may prove EINSTEIN wrong! That's like freaking amazing!
It's funny how we came from "The world is flat" to "We now know the circumference of the Earth."
That is quite amazing. That's the part I love about science -- nobody's right, ever. Well that's probably not quite true (gravity still stands) but still.Nope, I was thinking of apes. But the thing is I always say monkey. It's weird.
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It's kind of misleading that a lot of people say humans evolved from monkeys, because that's not quite true. Like Acacia said, humans and monkeys most likely come from a common ancestor. Like I said earlier, you have to ignore a lot of facts in order to deny that evolution is real.
Humans share over 90% of genes with chimpanzees. And monkeys/apes/etc. perform a lot of the same actions as people do (such as making tools and toys, cleaning their food, etc.) This isn't necessarily proof that evolution exists, but the eerie similarities seem indicative that we share an ancestor somewhere billions of years ago.
Which brings up the question: If we don't share an ancestor, then why are there no fossils of human skeletons from millions of years ago––yet there are fossils of organisms that are somewhere between human-like and ape-like?
Lastly, you can't deny that genetics exist. Traits get passed on. Organisms that survive produce offspring. (Although I'd like to point out that "survival of the fittest" is kind of a misleading term that people tend to use. It's not necessarily that the surviving organisms are the fittest, but they're the ones who survive.) If organisms die out before they can produce offspring, they obviously don't pass on their genes. Organisms who survive the longest are able to produce the most offspring and therefore pass on the most genes. And that's why evolution happens––because the genes of long-surviving organisms are more mass-produced I guess you could say. It just happens in very, very, very, very small steps. I think the biggest misconception about evolution is that people don't comprehend how terribly long it takes.
I'm kind of horrible at putting it into words, but trust me. It makes sense. :P
Hm, Brigid, that actually makes a lot of sense.*mulling this over slowly*
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*mulling this over slowly*"
Ooh yay! I enjoy making sense. :]
So? Creation or Big Bang or something else for the beginning of the universe theory? I really don't know, but I'm interested in what other people think.
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I really don't know, but I'm interested in what other people think."
I say Big Bang, just because it's proven that the universe is expanding at this very moment. So, it had to start at some point.
That said, I'm not entirely opposed to the idea of Creationism. Like, possibly some higher being could have caused the universe to come into existence. But I'm still fairly certain that the Big Bang (or something similar) must have happened, due to the laws of physics.
Brigid *Flying Kick-a-pow!* wrote: "Picture wrote: "So? Creation or Big Bang or something else for the beginning of the universe theory? I really don't know, but I'm interested in what other people think."
I say Big Bang, just be..."
Hmm...that makes sense. I'm just really letting myself be open-minded because who knows? Unless I was there when the Earth started, we'll never truly know. And I think it's fine being that way.
Picture wrote: "So? Creation or Big Bang or something else for the beginning of the universe theory? I really don't know, but I'm interested in what other people think."
I'm leaning more towards Big Bang, myself but
But really, who's to say? It's not like anyone was standing there when it happened right :)
Mello wrote: "Picture wrote: "So? Creation or Big Bang or something else for the beginning of the universe theory? I really don't know, but I'm interested in what other people think."
I'm leaning more toward..."
Yeah, I agree. Maybe it's not Big Bang. Maybe it's not Creationism. Maybe it's something entirely different that we haven't even discovered yet.
Yeah, I pretty much entirely believe in the big bang. Of course I don't know for sure, but I believe in it enough that I don't really personally feel doubtful.
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I believe in God, as well as evolution :)
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Annie (Juliet) wrote: "I don't even know... All I know is that we're here now, and that's what matters."Amen to that!!
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The most mind-boggling thing I learned from the documentary was that the marijuana was first made illegal in Utah because the Mormons in Utah related marijuana to African Americans, entertainers, and jazz players. They also thought that marijuana could cause women to want to have sexual relations with African American men. What the hell?
I'm not saying marijuana is good for you because like alcohol, it can be abused. I'm just saying that some people will persistently want to smoke this stuff. Marijuana is not as bad as DARE programs make kids think these days. DARE sucks guts. They don't educate kids. They just scare them. But anyway, I think instead of creating this conflict and being stubborn in the War Against Drugs; America should just freaking use marijuana for their advantage if they were able to tax it.
That's what I think. But I would never smoke that stuff though. I've read too many kids health magazines to have that opinion. Haha.