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Acacia wrote: "My parents are very lenient when it comes to censorship, especially my dad. If it looks like a good movie, we'll go see it, no matter what the rating is. We watched Pulp Fiction together, for examp..."My parents are a bit...weird with censorship. Most of the time they're pretty cool with me reading/watching whatever I want, e.g the other night my father and I watched Kill Bill, and he was all right with me watching the beginning of 28 Days Later until I freaked out and decided I shouldn't watch it of my own will unless I wanted to be deprived of sleep for three months.
My mother's less so, but still, sometimes they're both like ZOMG INAPPROPRIATE RECREATIONAL MEDIA FOR MY 14-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER. HIDE HER FROM TEH SECKS/GRAPHIC IMAGES/SCARYNESS.
But, anyway. I do agree with you. I think it's up to parents to decide if a film is suitable for their offspring and what will or will not scare them.
That is what my parents do! The only time my dad ever changes the channel when I'm around is if the cussing gets extreme or there's sex and nudity.My dad let me watch Twister one day, and when my mom came home, she was sort of mad because her very first thing she said was, "Isn't there a lot of cussing?"
I heard an argument between my parents about what I could watch or not. My mom says my dad is treating me like a little adult. It's just a movie, sheesh....
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The only reason I would watch an R-rated movie is if it was like critically-acclaimed and not graphic and stuffs. I would watch the King's Speech, but not horror movies.I never really got why I've been shielded from cussing. I hear it a billion times a day at school, and I've never cussed before.
My parents have the same standards/taste in movies as I do. I never really worried about what they deemed appropriate for me to watch, because they never watched anything inappropriate. So...*shrugs;;* I suppose parenting stuff like that is easier when the parent has nothing to shielf from the "little ones". Maybe the most they hid from me in movies was violence. But, hey, I have older brothers and zero sisters. Not much you can keep me from when all my siblings wanted to do was play Halo/watch Jurassic Park/etc.
On my family as a whole, none of us like hearing much cussing, seeing much violence, or watching any sex/nudity. So there was no point in "censoring" since none of us wanted it anyway.
My mom has seen a lot of movies for being so RAWR about that stuff. I don't want to see graphic stuff or hear the f-word every five seconds or see two people get it on, but still.
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Some of my very favorite movies are rated R just for language, which I've always found kind of silly. I mean, someone can say the F word five times and the movie will be rated R, but someone can get sawed in half or something, and it's PG-13. Whaaa?
Like, "Once" for example ... It's a beautiful movie, has amazing music, and there's really not any objectionable material in it––except for that they say the F word an awful lot. But, it takes place in Ireland. It's a cultural thing; swearing is more casual. It's in no way a vulgar movie; it's so touching and adorable. But the R rating would probably make a lot of people wary.
Then there's, say, "Little Miss Sunshine" which is another one of my favorites. Mostly the swearing in that movie comes from the grandpa, but this serves as part of his characterization; he's supposed to seem very vulgar and nasty on the surface, and the swearing adds to that. The teenage boy also drops a lot of F-bombs, but ... well, he's a teenage boy. And when he uses them, they have a lot of impact. I mean, "Do what you love, and f*** the rest!" ... That's pretty much my life motto. ;)
I agree.Unless the swearing is so bad that even some adults are uncomfortable with it ((and not finicky ones like my mom)) then it's a different story.
Little Miss Sunshine is like, one of the funniest moves ever. x)My family and I just record them on television and watch the edited version. Like "My Cousin Vinny" is so freaking funny, but we don't want to listen to the F-words (I could care less if they blocked out anything else). Because it's still a really funny movie without the cussing.
♥ Brigid ♥ {Lion Hearted Girl} wrote: "Swearing has never bothered me ... unless there are so many F-bombs that the word just loses its impact after a while. Some of my very favorite movies are rated R just for language, which I've al..."
That is a rather winning motto.
Yeah, it really irritates me (in books as well as films) when a character(s) swear so much that it just loses the effect of making them seem more realistic.
Rebekka (harmony, harmony, oh love!) wrote: "Plugged In Online makes me L.O.L."-Crude Language
'golly', 'darn'.""
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Rebekka (harmony, harmony, oh love!) wrote: "Plugged In Online makes me L.O.L."-Crude Language
'golly', 'darn'.""
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I didn't hear anything about this bombing until you mentioned it just now. I don't know anything about it. Who was responsible for it?I find it weird how cut off I am from the news during the summer time. I live with my mom and younger siblings so our TV is always turned to kid's shows rather than the news, whereas during the school year at my dad's house the news is always running in the morning.
I just read about it on the BBC website, but interestingly I don't think that I'd have known about it unless I had been on the website anyway, because all I've heard on the radio today is news about the whole News of the World hacking scandal e__e (oh oh that would make an interesting debate). Although that said I did spend most of the afternoon writing and listening to viola concertos and therefore wasn't totally exposed to such events...also I almost never watch television, so.Yeah, I remember when there were those terrorist attacks in London five or six years ago my father, sister and I were in a shopping centre and we had to be evacuated. It was...frightening, but weird because they didn't even know the full extent of the damage.
I heard about it, and I was like, "Oh!" And I tried to read the article but my cousin kept attacking me and then my mom came in to take me home.
Holden wrote: "Rebekka (harmony, harmony, oh love!) wrote: "Acacia wrote: "I didn't hear anything about this bombing until you mentioned it just now. I don't know anything about it. Who was responsible for it?..."
Danish, but she knows Norwegian.
Rebekka, I'd just like to say thank you for all the information you've provided. :)
Yes, thanks. :-) There's been a lot of it on the news this morning, as well, so now I have a much better idea of what went on.How big is Utøya, do you know?
♥ Brigid ♥ {Lion Hearted Girl} wrote: "The rating system is rather stupid. Mostly it just ticks me off because it's always such a hassle for me to get into rated-R movies since no one believes I'm 18. ARRRGH. I wanted to see that docu..."
When my mom was married at 21, she had to show her marriage licence everywhere because everyone thought she was 16...
Rebekka (harmony, harmony, oh love!) wrote: "Acacia wrote: "I didn't hear anything about this bombing until you mentioned it just now. I don't know anything about it. Who was responsible for it?I find it weird how cut off I am from the ne..."
Oh, I heard about that. It's so sad.
Rebekka (harmony, harmony, oh love!) wrote: "Mandy [if there's a prize for rotten judgement] wrote: "Rebekka (harmony, harmony, oh love!) wrote: "Acacia wrote: "I didn't hear anything about this bombing until you mentioned it just now. I don'..."Yeah, it's awful. =(
Rebekka (harmony, harmony, oh love!) wrote: "Mandy [if there's a prize for rotten judgement] wrote: "Rebekka (harmony, harmony, oh love!) wrote: "Mandy [if there's a prize for rotten judgement] wrote: "Rebekka (harmony, harmony, oh love!) wro..."It doesn't make much sense, he's just psycho...I guess. =(
Okay, thanks.
Holden wrote: "Where do you live, Rebekka? Everyone here's just talking about the NFL lockout... *rolls eyes*I heard that they were stuck on the island with this guy for NINETY MINUTES. That must have been ..."
I try not to imagine it, but at the same time, imagining it brings into perspective just how...well, I don't know how to explain it.
Holden wrote: "Where do you live, Rebekka? Everyone here's just talking about the NFL lockout... *rolls eyes*I heard that they were stuck on the island with this guy for NINETY MINUTES. That must have been ..."
I can't help but be upset with Norway's police system on the island. I mean, ninety freakin' minutes to get there?
What made me even more sick was the fact that so many kids acted dead to survive, but he just shot all the people on the ground in the head again.
I don't care what your standpoint is, this man should be executed. Killing 80+ kids after killing seven people in a bombing? That deserves death.
Emily [Is there such thing as beauty in everyone?] wrote: "Holden wrote: "Where do you live, Rebekka? Everyone here's just talking about the NFL lockout... *rolls eyes*I heard that they were stuck on the island with this guy for NINETY MINUTES. That mu..."
Apparently the longest sentence he can get is something like 24 or 25 years.
Holden wrote: "Emily [Is there such thing as beauty in everyone?] wrote: "Holden wrote: "Where do you live, Rebekka? Everyone here's just talking about the NFL lockout... *rolls eyes*I heard that they were s..."
It's awful.
Yeah, I don't think people should have the right to kill other people no matter what crime they've committed.
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I don't actually know enough about the case to say whether I think Davis was innocent or not. However, I'm against the death penalty, so I didn't support his execution.
I think it definitely depends on what you do on if you should get the death sentence, but I'm not against it if there's no doubt that the person committed the crime and it was bad enough to kill them for it. Someone like Bin Laden, for instance. Or if someone killed a BUNCH of people and clearly has no remorse (psychopaths, schizophrenics, etc) then they'll just do it again. People with those sorts of mental disorders to the point of killing and torturing can't ever stop. It's not a matter of if they will, or want to. It's more like they can't, because it's a part of the way their brain works.
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Personally, I really don't care what crime the person committed. I don't understand how it makes sense to kill a killer; it's so hypocritical. Besides, if someone committed some horrible crime, I'd think it would be a worse punishment to give that person a life sentence. Living a life in total confinement is worse than dying––so if someone deserves the ultimate punishment, I'd think that would be it.
Also, there have been cases in which people have been in jail for decades before they were proved innocent and got to go free. If those people had been sentenced to death, they wouldn't have had that chance.
Plus, I just find the idea of execution so sickening. The lethal injection would be a horrible, horrible way to die. Supposedly the victim can feel a ton of pain but can't express it, which I just can't even begin to imagine. Gahhh ... *shudders*
You're usually in prison for years and years (decades, even) before actually getting the lethal injection. But the fact that some people have been proven innocent is why I said that there has to be no doubt that the person committed the crime. Some people are just too dangerous to be left alive.
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Honestly, anyone can become a martyr. People will think what they want - people can think Bin Laden was a martyr. Yes, Brigid, the death sentence has been a failure in the past, but that's because they sentenced them to that before we had the kind of abilities we do now to prove cases (i.e. DNA evidence, etc). As I said, the only reason I'd be okay with it is if they'd done something awful - as Bin Laden did, for instance - and that there was no doubt that they were guilty. Yes, for some prisoners life in prison is worse than the death sentence. But with people like Bin Laden, it was better for America's safety for him to be gone. My main thing is that with people just like Bin Laden, with a large following, it's quite possible for their followers to try and break them out. Is it highly probable? Maybe not. But it's also possible. With people who are highly dangerous that had committed a massive crime such as he did, I feel the death sentence is "appropriate" for lack of a much better word.That being said, I don't want anyone to die. But if those kinds of men are sentenced to life in prison and manage to get out (and it IS possible, regardless of how possible it is) so many more lives will be taken. I mean, this is basically my opinion. I'm too tired to give a longer explanation haha. People can disagree - I'm cool with that. Believe what you want to, and I'll believe what I want to :)
I think that perhaps the death penalty should exist for extreme cases like that, but it should only be given out in those cases. My dad had a point that I liked; it might not be a deterrent, but if it was removed, then crime might go up, because "It's not like they're gonna kill me or anything."I also just don't think it's practical to try to get rid of it. It's been a punishment for so much of history that people aren't going to want to take it away now.
Acacia wrote: "I think that perhaps the death penalty should exist for extreme cases like that, but it should only be given out in those cases. My dad had a point that I liked; it might not be a deterrent, but if..."This. Because I only got three hours of sleep last night and am too tired to say something intelligent of my own.
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No offense to your dad, but I don't think that argument makes a lot of sense. There are already a lot of states where the death penalty is illegal, and it hasn't affected the crime rate. In fact, states without the death penalty tend to have lower crime rates than average.
Read this article.
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Anything is "possible", but a psychopath escaping from prison is highly improbable. I mean, it's possible that I could walk outside today and get struck by lightning, but the likelihood of that is very low.
I definitely understand the logic behind the death sentence, even if I'm strongly opposed to it. It's easy to go for the "eye for an eye" argument; you kill someone, you get killed. But one of my favorite quotes is, "An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind."
Personally, I wasn't celebrating when Bin Laden was killed. Don't get me wrong ... He was a horrible, horrible person who did disgusting things, and killing him prevented him from doing anything worse. But, I still was upset that the problem had to be dealt with in that manner. However, killing him did not erase the crimes he'd already committed. It didn't bring 9/11 victims back to life or anything like that. I just feel like, once the killing starts it never ends.
And same goes for any criminal who is executed; it doesn't change anything, besides that it prevents someone from possibly committing more horrible crimes––in which case they'd have to escape from prison, which is very unlikely.
I think it just depends on the person and the crime that they've committed. If they're a horrible terrorist, or mass murderer I'd have much more comfort in knowing that they couldn't ever possibly walk the streets again.I agree, the fact that people were celebrating about Bin Laden's death was a disgusting way to recognize it. I wasn't celebrating. I wasn't happy. But, I was relieved. A big threat to Americans and our Nation had been taken out. I'll admit that I smiled when I saw the news, but was then disgusted when people began dancing in the streets. That's the immaturity that people had in the Middle East when the Twin Towers fell. We should be relieved, but that's still a person.
So, I disagree with people celebrating over death, no matter how awful the person. But I still agree with the death penalty to an extent. Like I said, I'm only in favor for it when it involves undeniable guilt in the crime, and big crimes. I certainly wouldn't ask for the death penalty on someone who stole a few million dollars.
It's not impossible to commit crimes in prison. So many guards and other prisoners are killed by other prisoners. And it's not entirely impossible for huge crime lords to get out of prison, as unlikely as it can seem.
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I'm glad we agree about that ... I don't think it's right to be celebrating about anyone's death, even if it means saving people. It's still a shame that it has to happen.
I see where you're coming from, and I think at this point we can only agree to disagree. Like I said, I understand the reasoning behind execution. I don't like it, but I understand the choice to kill someone who has committed a lot of hideous crimes.
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Well, you're quite the generalist.
I wouldn't say I was a pacifist. I don't like war, and I don't think it's exactly "right." However, I understand and accept that violence is an inevitable part of human nature, so wars are bound to happen and there's really nothing anyone can do about it. That is, I'm not going to go around waving signs telling people to live in harmony. I know world peace is never going to be achieved. So yes, warfare makes me unhappy. But it's not like I (or anyone else) can provide an alternative.
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That's a pretty iffy statement you just made there. If you oppose violence, you're a pacifist. It has nothing to do with protesting or telling people to live in harmony. And the whole 'violence is a part of human nature' thing doesn't stand up to me in the way you said. It's almost like you're saying, "Yeah, hating women is a part of man's nature, not much we can do about that. Oh well." BUUUUUULL HONKEY. You can do friggin plenty to stop junk like that.
Not to say what your saying isn't totally true; violence is something that is common and constant in humanity and it isn't realistic to try and stop it in its entirety. Doesn't mean I'm not against it and think that if people could (fantasy dream) break out of the 'violence begets violence' thing and nurture their children to be against it that we couldn't make some MAD crazy progress.
MY POINT!? I HAVE NO POINT.
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I don't feel like I can say I'm "opposed" to that seeing as I can't offer an alternative solution. At this point it's not like we can say "LET'S ALL JUST GET ALONG!" because, well, there's no way we can erase all of history. It's not believable. I don't really get what you're saying because a) as far as I know it's not in man's nature to hate women so the comparison doesn't make sense to me, and b) if you actually have a realistic suggestion for stopping warfare, I'd love to hear it. But personally, I don't think it's possible.
Okay, from what I can gather, this is a debate about death penalty vs. no death penalty.I support the use of the death penalty and also those who choose not to use the death penalty. Something was said that people are usually on death row for years, which I think is time enough for them to think about all the wrong they've done. I only think the death penalty should be enforced if the same person has been convicted of several murders. For instance, there was this girl who killed her entire family so she could be with the boyfriend they disapproved of; she should be been sentenced to death for all the lives she took (which was five or six, if I remember correctly).
And it's not impossible to escape from prison, no matter how high-security it is. It's always a possibility, and some people ARE just too dangerous to be kept alive. So if you want to use the death penalty; fine. If you don't; okay.
As for the subject of war, I cannot stand it when people doing stupid things, like say they're anti-troops. Like those idiots who were saying, "God hates dead soldiers." The way I see it, freedom is not FREE, and if we don't fight back, then we'll crumble. I would be honored to die for my country, and I think it's a beautiful thing when a person is willing to put their life on the line for a cause they believe in.
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I support the use of the death penalty and also those who choose not to use the death penalty. Something wa..."
I've pretty much exhausted my argument by now, so sorry if I repeat myself or anything. Anyway. I don't know what case you're talking about, but I agree that what this girl did was obviously horrible. Just curious ... do you know how old she was? But regardless of her age, I still wouldn't agree to executing her. I still think life in prison is the worst punishment there is. And I think I'm done with the whole "But what if the evil murderer escaped from prison?" debate. ... Sure, okay. There is a (very slim) chance it could happen. But I don't think it's enough of a reason to kill someone.
And I agree that it's disrespectful to say that kind of thing about soldiers. Although I wouldn't go to war myself, I respect what soldiers do for us and that they sacrifice their lives for our country.
My feelings on the death penalty are basically that I don't think there's enough argument against it at this point to get it to change. "But it's wrong!" is not going to change people's opinions, for the most part. Basically, yeah, I'm opposed to it, but I don't see it as a pressing issue.
Brigid, I believe the girl was sixteen or seventeen. It was awhile ago; I think in the nineties. The only survivor was her father. I think she had...four or five younger siblings? It's just...that sort of downright evil shouldn't be allowed to live, in my opinion. It's just terrible; and in cases like this, where the person is seriously just sick and distorted, to a point where they would kill their younger brothers and sisters, and their mother, all for the sake of a boy, which relationship probably didn't last anyway...they probably don't care anymore. I don't think sitting in a jail cell for the rest of their life would change their mind anyways.(Sorry I'm jumping in so late. ._. You guys have probably already covered what I'll say, hahaha.)
Acacia, the thing about the death penalty is that it's not "wrong" to a lot of people, like myself. It's justice. So of course the argument, "It's wrong!" won't work, because it's not an actual fact. Just an opinion.
Like you said, it's no pressing issue. But it is an interesting debate.
Brigid, I think it's perfectly fine to think that life would just be better without war. I think that we all think that way! Of course if there was no opposition between nations and stuff like that, then everything would probably be better for all of us. But life isn't like that. There'll always be some sort of evil in the world that will threaten everything we hold dear. So I think we should support the military, fighting to protect US, rather than bring them down. The thing that I can't stand (from an American standpoint), is when American CITIZENS are like, "The military is SO stupid. They're all idiots", when those people don't even understand that those people are giving their lives for that ungrateful person's. It's just disgusting.
Thalia wrote: "Acacia, the thing about the death penalty is that it's not "wrong" to a lot of people, like myself. It's justice. So of course the argument, "It's wrong!" won't work, because it's not an actual fact. Just an opinion."This response is exactly my point.
Yeah, I've sat out of this debate largely because I don't have a very strong opinion on it. Nice points all around though.
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