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[Baxter, butts butts butts]

I don't think pointlessly offending people just to say "I HAVE RIGHTS" is a good way to promote it. Personally of course.

[Hannah]

Rebekka (hmm, yes) wrote: "How about "Everybody Draw Mohammed Day"? I will be participating. I probably wouldn't have any other way, but after what happened with the 2005 Jyllands-Posten ordeal, I definitely will.

I won..."

I'm a Muslim. I mean, yeah, some people I know were doing the whole "protest against Facebook" thing around the time that "Draw Muhammad Day" was started, but I personally thought that was ridiculous. I didn't really care what other people did because it didn't change or impact my beliefs in any way.

I'm not exactly okay with it anymore. It's not just about personal freedoms. It's also a way to spite any and all Muslims, because it doesn't just make the extremists angry; it also pisses off normal Muslims too.

While I think it's great that you're exercising your personal freedoms... I don't go around screwing with other peoples' religions just because I can.

[Elliott]

And it also really ticks me off when people categorize and judge whole groups based on a few people's actions. Hitler was a Christian, but you don't see people freaking out when someone is a Christian just because this mass murder was one. People shouldn't do that with Muslims either.

[Elliott]

Holden wrote: "Baxter wrote: "I don't think pointlessly offending people just to say "I HAVE RIGHTS" is a good way to promote it. Personally of course."

I agree. Ever heard of the Westboro Baptist Church? Yeah."

The Westboro Baptist Church makes me SO mad. Ugh. If I wasn't a nice person I would go... do something bad to them. YEAH.

[Elliott]

Holden wrote: "Lav wrote: "And it also really ticks me off when people categorize and judge whole groups based on a few people's actions. Hitler was a Christian, but you don't see people freaking out when someon..."

Stereotyping people in general just sucks.

Pssh, I love debating. If people don't like me, that's their problem.

[Hannah]

Lav wrote: "And it also really ticks me off when people categorize and judge whole groups based on a few people's actions. Hitler was a Christian, but you don't see people freaking out when someone is a Christ..."

I agree.

[Elliott]

DUDE I DEFINITELY MADE THE RIGHT CHOICE TO BECOME A BUDDHIST STALKER.

Oh, I think it's okay... I mean, as long as you aren't dissing a religion or something. But I have no authority here so don't listen to me.

[Hannah]

Holden wrote: "Gigi wrote: "I also really wana add that Buddhists seem to be the nicest religious group:)
I've never met one, but they don't seem to
a) shove their veiws down other peoples throats
b) harbour..."

I've been really interested in Buddhism for a while :)

[Elliott]

You think being offended is something that sprouts off insecurity? I don't really believe that. I could have all the self esteem in the world and love who I am and not care what anybody thinks about me, but if someone came up to me and said, "You're such a slut. You suck. Just go die." I could still be offended and have self confidence. Just because you're ticked off at something someone says about you, doesn't mean you're this insecure pathetic loser.

[Elliott]

Is that sarcasm? Or an insult? Or a compliment? I'm not sure whether I should be offended at that comment (and no, I don't have low self esteem. Guess who wore a puppy shirt and two high pigtails to school? That's right, ME. I HAVE A TRUCKLOAD OF SELF ESTEEM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.)

[Annemarie, hi]

We have a religion topic, since when?

[Elliott]

Religion or Lack Thereof. I'm pretty sure you made it, dear.

[Annemarie, hi]

OH OH. Just kidding. I remember now. I made it... Riiiiiight.

[Elliott]

*nods*

[Annemarie, hi]

I forget things... a lot...

[liz]

Lav wrote: "You think being offended is something that sprouts off insecurity? I don't really believe that. I could have all the self esteem in the world and love who I am and not care what anybody thinks abou..."

*agrees* *likes*

[liz]

Freedom of speech only gets you so far. When you impose on other peoples freedoms, like freedom of religion, you really need to stop and think about what you are doing.

[Acacia]

All right, you guys, big scary mod voice says carry it over to the religion topic. And remember, insults and debate should be mutually exclusive.

EDIT: Actually, changed my mind, this is debatable enough to stay here. Just keep it nice.

[Elliott]

Cara [DON'T BE A DRAG JUST BE A QUEEN] wrote: "Rebekka (hmm, yes) wrote: "It's not mocking a religious figure.

And it's not making fun of Islamic extremists. It is, I said earlier, about not letting someone putting a chokehold on your freedom..."

Just because you don't believe in Mohammad doesn't mean he isn't a religious figure to a very large group of people.

[Shreya=Drastically Random. Find the emoticon.]

Lav wrote: "And it also really ticks me off when people categorize and judge whole groups based on a few people's actions. Hitler was a Christian, but you don't see people freaking out when someone is a Christ..."

YES. Not supposed to happen.
And it doesn't help that Osama Bin Laden just died. I mean, of course it's a good thing that we are safer, but that's no reason to attack Muslim people. Osama Bin Laden does NOT represent Muslims. He represents people with a terrible purpose - if any - in life.
And just so you know, I'm a Hindu.

And back to the selective abortion thingie....if anyone is interested, they can watch this: http://vimeo.com/24043001 It talks about selective abortion of girls in India. MY DADDY IS IN IT =)

[Shreya=Drastically Random. Find the emoticon.]

Yes, that is very true. Freedom of speech doesn't mean you can disrespect other people's religious figures.

[Hannah]

I've already said this, but no one's seen my post xD

While I think it's great that you're exercising your personal freedoms, Rebekka... I don't go around screwing with other peoples' religions just because I can.

[Shreya=Drastically Random. Find the emoticon.]

What do you mean? She's not attacking your religion.

And as for the day itself...the idea is not disrespectful. It's okay to imagine what gods and religious figures look like. It depends how you use that day. If you use it to make fun of Muslims and make their religious figure look terrible, then that's not good. But if you're just thinking and reflecting, it's fine.

[Annemarie, hi]

Shreya=Drastically Random. Find the emoticon. wrote: "Yes, that is very true. Freedom of speech doesn't mean you can disrespect other people's religious figures."

I think freedom of speech does mean you can disrespect other people's religious figures, if you so choose.

[Shreya=Drastically Random. Find the emoticon.]

Yeah. Technically, freedom of speech allows you to disrespect religious figures but that doesn't make it okay. Or nice.

Ahh...just curious....if there was a 'Burn a Bible' day but Hindu version...what would people do? Just wondering.

[Shreya=Drastically Random. Find the emoticon.]

Yep. Draw him as you imagine. I think many people abuse that day and use it to make fun of Muslims.

[Hannah]

Shreya=Drastically Random. Find the emoticon. wrote: "What do you mean? She's not attacking your religion.

And as for the day itself...the idea is not disrespectful. It's okay to imagine what gods and religious figures look like. It depends how you u..."

Actually, she is attacking my religion. I'm Muslim. In Islam you can't portray Muhammad or draw him or whatever. She says it's to exercise her freedoms but whatever the reason, it's still disrespectful to any and all Muslims.

[Annemarie, hi]

Holden wrote: "Juliet wrote: "Shreya=Drastically Random. Find the emoticon. wrote: "Yes, that is very true. Freedom of speech doesn't mean you can disrespect other people's religious figures."

I think freedom ..."

People do this kind of stuff just to be mean and start some controversy. They're sort of like real life trolls.

[liz]

Again, freedom of speech only goes so far. When you affect other peoples freedoms, you've gone too far. Freedom of religion is also a fifth of the firt amendment, guys.

[Shreya=Drastically Random. Find the emoticon.]

To Hannah: Yeah, I know you're Muslim. In Islam, you can't portray Muhammad? I didn't know that. It's not like that in Hinduism.
But anyway, I don't think Rebekka means to disrespect you. I don't think the day is mean disrespectfully. Just because some people USE it disrespectfully doesn't mean that all are, or that the day in itself is bad.
I understand how you feel about the day. It's natural, seeing as you're Muslim. But I don't think it's meant that disrespectfully.

[Annemarie, hi]

Liz (MY NAME IS JASS! LET ME OUT!) wrote: "Again, freedom of speech only goes so far. When you affect other peoples freedoms, you've gone too far. Freedom of religion is also a fifth of the firt amendment, guys."

How does it affect other people's freedoms?

[Shreya=Drastically Random. Find the emoticon.]

Freedom to practice religion, I guess...

[liz]

Shreya=Drastically Random. Find the emoticon. wrote: "Freedom to practice religion, I guess..."

Exactly.

[Hannah]

Shreya=Drastically Random. Find the emoticon. wrote: "Yeah, I know you're Muslim. In Islam, you can't portray Muhammad? I didn't know that. It's not like that in Hinduism.
But anyway, I don't think Rebekka means to disrespect you. I don't think the da..."

Yes, you can't portray Muhammad at all. And I'm pretty sure that everyone participating in "Draw Muhammad Day" is, in fact, trying to offend Muslims.

[Hannah]

It's not the actual day I care about. People can draw whatever the heck they want and it wont impact me or my beliefs. It's the fact that the reason they're doing it is just to spite Muslims.

[Hannah]

Holden wrote: "Hannah wrote: "Shreya=Drastically Random. Find the emoticon. wrote: "Yeah, I know you're Muslim. In Islam, you can't portray Muhammad? I didn't know that. It's not like that in Hinduism.
But anywa..."

Yeah.

[Shreya=Drastically Random. Find the emoticon.]

I know this is a bit of a feeble argument, but does everybody participating in this day really know the rules/beliefs about drawing Muhammad? Maybe they don't know.
Then again, if they don't, they shouldn't be participating...
Yeah...I'm interested in this day now. I'm going to google it. I'm not going to participate, but I'm going to see the base and stuff of this day.

[Shreya=Drastically Random. Find the emoticon.]

BYE HOLDEN =(

[Hannah]

Shreya=Drastically Random. Find the emoticon. wrote: "I know this is a bit of a feeble argument, but does everybody participating in this day really know the rules/beliefs about drawing Muhammad? Maybe they don't know.
Then again, if they don't, they ..."

They do know, and that's the whole point. They want to prove that despite Muslims being against it, they have the freedom to do whatever they want.

[Shreya=Drastically Random. Find the emoticon.]

Okay, you're right. I just looked it up on the internet, and it says that it was supporting free speech by going against Muslim beliefs and rules.
I also saw some of the drawings. They were just mean.
I'm sorry I didn't believe you.

[Hannah]

Shreya=Drastically Random. Find the emoticon. wrote: "Okay, you're right. I just looked it up on the internet, and it says that it was supporting free speech by going against Muslim beliefs and rules.
I also saw some of the drawings. They were just me..."

You didn't even know what the day was about, so it's fine :)

I suppose they do have the right to do whatever they want. It doesn't change how I feel about my religion, but it does irk me.

[Shreya=Drastically Random. Find the emoticon.]

Yeah, I get how you feel. I would be really mad if that was happening to Hindus. And I AM really mad that it is happening to Muslims. Just because it's not happening to me doesn't mean that I'm cool with it.

[liz]

Shreya=Drastically Random. Find the emoticon. wrote: "Yeah, I get how you feel. I would be really mad if that was happening to Hindus. And I AM really mad that it is happening to Muslims. Just because it's not happening to me doesn't mean that I'm coo..."

Agreed.

[Acacia]

There's a difference between drawing a picture of Mohammed and having a day where you encourage everyone to draw a picture of Mohammed. It's the difference between swearing in private even though your parents tell you not to, and gathering a bunch of your friends to cuss them out.

[Shreya=Drastically Random. Find the emoticon.]

I get that.

[Acacia]

Yeah, I was just putting in my opinion since I haven't yet. Basically, I don't agree with it.

[Shreya=Drastically Random. Find the emoticon.]

Yep. Most people don't agree.

[tesni]

Holden wrote: "Lav wrote: "Cara [DON'T BE A DRAG JUST BE A QUEEN] wrote: "Rebekka (hmm, yes) wrote: "It's not mocking a religious figure.

And it's not making fun of Islamic extremists. It is, I said earlier,..."

He actually went ahead with that? I didn't think he had.

[tesni]

Acacia wrote: "There's a difference between drawing a picture of Mohammed and having a day where you encourage everyone to draw a picture of Mohammed. It's the difference between swearing in private even though y..."

*nods*

[liz]

Tesni!