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It says in the Bible that no man may no the time nor the hour of the Second Coming, so this guy makes no sense to me. Hmmph.
Juliet wrote: "MAN. I have a greattt debate topic.JUDGMENT DAY.
Wahoooo. So, supposedly on May 21st all the Christians shall go into heaven(admittedly, not quite sure how that's going to go down. Will they jus..."
... This coming May 21st? I'm a Christian, and this is the first I've heard of this :P
I don't believe in the judgment day you're talking about. I believe in a separate judgment day, but I don't know when that'll happen. I don't know why Christians think they can put a time on God... We know not the day when the Lord cometh... So... Sounds like a bunch of made up stuff to me.
War: peace war is getting us no where so why keep risking our troops lives?:-/Abortion: it should be allowed, it isn't fair to take that choice of away of a clean safe place to have an abortion because truth of the matter abortions will happen any ways so why not let them be done safely by a person who has been trained to
Gay marrige: why not let a person marry the women or man they love? Wether they are both male/female or different sex who cares?! Love is love and I support it:)
Marijuana: Uh well this is a tricky one. Yes I think it should be legal at a set age(21) I mean out of all the grugs out there mushrooms and marijuana are less harmful and heck the law isn't stopping people from using them now.
When judgment day comes, I say everyone who doesn't get called to heaven meets up in small groups to fend off the hell on earth for the next few months. I'll be leading one of the brigades. Who's with me?:D
Jayda wrote: "Juliet wrote: "MAN. I have a greattt debate topic.JUDGMENT DAY.
Wahoooo. So, supposedly on May 21st all the Christians shall go into heaven(admittedly, not quite sure how that's going to go ..."
Yeah, pretty much the same. I only heard about it yesterday. =P
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Ooh, this gives me the perfect opportunity to rule the world.
Well, sorry, but I'm actually going to rule the world. Sorry to rain on your dictatorshippian parade.
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I have a great topic to debate about:The laws in Arizona and now Georgia (my state) about illegal immigration. What are your views? Is it wrong, or are the states right to pass such laws?
Personally, I'm happy about the laws. The states are taking into their own hands what the feds are too scared to do themselves. I'm totally in favor of legal immigrants. But there's a difference between LEGAL and ILLEGAL. I like how someone put it:
"The law says nothing about Mexicans. It targets criminals that deliberately broke our laws and entered the country without proper documentation or permission. This is a crime in almost every country, including Mexico."
Judgment Day:I think it will come. But not May 21...
That man has really weird ideas and his studies are completely misguided.
*Shakes head*
I don't know if it's just him. Because who's funding all the road signs and stuff?
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The laws in Arizona and now Georgia (my state) about illegal immigration. What are your views? Is it wrong, or are the states right to pass such laws?
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I think America should make it easier for people to come here legally and then I don't think we'd have so many issues with that.
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The laws in Arizona and now Georgia (my state) about illegal immigration. What are your views? Is it wrong, or are the states right to pass such laws?
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That's kind of a tricky one, but personally I don't really think it's a good idea. No, of course the law says nothing specifically about Mexicans––but that's because an explicitly racist law probably wouldn't fly. I do understand that illegal immigration is a problem, but what I don't like about the laws is that they give police officers the right to assume people are immigrants, which promotes racism in a way. Supposedly officers go through "training" to prevent them from making racist judgments, but I don't think you can really erase racism out of someone.
On the other hand ... there might not be another way to prevent illegal immigration from happening, besides making it easier for people to get into the country ... but then overpopulation could become a problem so I DON'T KNOWWW. I'm conflicted.
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Immigrants have to carry registration documents at all times, and officials are allowed to ask anyone they suspect of being an illegal immigrant to present their documents. If the immigrant doesn't have his/her documents he/she gets arrested. (Or fined? Or both? I don't remember.) So basically, the law allows racial profiling which is why so many people are against it.
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But like I said before, it's rather difficult to keep illegal immigration under control so I'm not sure I could think of a better solution ... Hmmm.
♥ Brigid ♥ wrote: "Lav wrote: "What are the laws exactly?"Immigrants have to carry registration documents at all times, and officials are allowed to ask anyone they suspect of being an illegal immigrant to present..."
I don't think it's any different than being asked for a driver's license, honestly. Yes, it's unfair that those that are here illegally are making it so you have to carry documentation around, but you worked to come here, and no one can take that away from you if you came here the right way.
I do think that the process of becoming a legal citizen is RIDICULOUS and needs to be made easier.
Thing is, every single country has laws against illegal immigration. It seems, to me (from what I've seen and read about) that we are the easiest on law breaking, when it comes to being an illegal immigrant. Yes, I COMPLETELY support legal immigration. But illegal immigrants' claims that us Americans wouldn't do the jobs that they do is BS. If I had to, I would clean toilets, strip bed sheets, I would do all of those "down and dirty" jobs they're taking from legal citizens, in order for me to survive and support my family.
I also agree with Juliet, although that is a really difficult thing to do. But yes, people in other countries need to start working on their own countries too.
Thing is... I don't want to pay for an illegal immigrants benefits, pay for their healthcare, pay for any of their stuff while they're making money and not paying taxes on it while we legal citizens have to do all of the above. It's unfair, and ILLEGAL. I'm honestly glad that the states seem to be cracking down on this problem. It's only become worse and worse and the states wouldn't have to do this if the feds did what they claim they're supposed to do about illegal immigration. As cruel as it may sound, it comes down to justice, and it is similar to someone who breaks the law by, say, stealing someone else's things or stealing someone else's money.
Sorry... I'm a little passionate about this because someone in my church completely ignores me now and hates me because of my views on it, and it makes me a little angry all over again :P
Anyways, the gist of my post is, YES, we should make the legal immigration process easier. It's stupid that it's so difficult and takes so long. But no, I don't think that the states are wrong for doing this when this is such a taxing, expensive problem in our country. Illegal immigrants can be from anywhere. Canada, Italy, China, Mexico, Brazil, Cuba, etcetera. It's not a race thing. It's a law thing. You need to be legal to live here. If an American man or woman snuck into, say, Mexico, and was living, working, protesting in the public streets, driving with no license or insurance, applying for Social Security, applying for food stamps or Welfare, giving birth and not paying a penny for the hospital bill there would be hell to pay. Mexico charges 10 years for anyone who aids an illegal immigrant, but we do almost nothing.
I don't know. I love immigrants. That's what this country is for. But it's not a free pass. You have to do the work to get into this country. I think it's fantastic when people move here legally. We are all immigrants, ultimately, because of our ancestors. But moving here should be done in the right way, and not by breaking the law.
Sorry, I feel like I'm rambling now :P
♥ Brigid ♥ wrote: "On the other hand ... there might not be another way to prevent illegal immigration from happening, besides making it easier for people to get into the country ... but then overpopulation could become a problem so I DON'T KNOWWW. I'm conflicted."Well... we COULD just build walls along the borders...
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Immigrants have to carry registration documents at all times, and officials are allowed to ask anyone they suspect of being an illegal..."
Honestly a lot of the illegal problem WOULD be solved if the immigration process stopped sucking so much balls. People aren't going to wait five years in a dangerous place without any safe way to raise their family for some people to decide that it'd be just swell for them to become Americans.
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"Well... we COULD just build walls along the borders..."
Building walls that huge would take away a ton of our tax-paying money, which would kind of defeat the purpose, no? And it would be a rather hostile symbol, especially since our country is supposed to represent freedom and all that jazz. Not to mention the time it would take.
"I don't think it's any different than being asked for a driver's license, honestly."
If you're asked for a driver's license, it's because the officer has a reason to ask for it––because you are definitely breaking the law. You would have to be speeding, driving in the wrong lane, etc. But an officer can't tell if you're an illegal immigrant just by looking at you.
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Baxter wrote: "Jayda wrote: "♥ Brigid ♥ wrote: "Lav wrote: "What are the laws exactly?"Immigrants have to carry registration documents at all times, and officials are allowed to ask anyone they suspect of bein..."
Yep, I totally agree, Baxter!
Except for the fact that when the towns were built, the people were told, "Lookit, we could possibly flood these towns to save the larger town if you build here."(This is all according to my dad so I'f I'm wrong, blame him.)
♥ Brigid ♥ wrote: "Jayda wrote: "♥ Brigid ♥ wrote: "On the other hand ... there might not be another way to prevent illegal immigration from happening, besides making it easier for people to get into the country ... ..."I was joking about the wall :P
But if you're an illegal immigrant than you ARE breaking the law. I just don't exactly see why it's so horrible to ask for proof of immigration when if you don't have it you'd be breaking the law, and if you have it then you prove that you've done the hard work to get here. Besides, if you're a legal immigrant you can get a driver's license. Illegal immigrants can't, unless they steal someone's identity. I do, however, want to know what kind of documentation it is that immigrants need to carry around.
And I checked... Every other country in the world has harsher immigration laws than we do. So I don't see why it's SUCH a problem when all we want to do is check papers, when other countries want to throw people in jail for years on end, if that. We could do a lot worse, I think.
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I think that more needs to be done about illegal immigration, but I think this is just the wrong way. It's just going to lead to racial profiling. You can't train police officers to know what immigrants look like. You just can't. I have these two friends on speech team, and they're both white, and you would never guess that they're immigrants (legal though) but they are. You can't have police officers looking for immigrants, more pressure needs to be placed on employers to hire legally.
That being said, i think that naturalization needs to be made easier. The whole process is a bit ridiculous. And Illegal immigrants don't really steal that much money from the economy. With the work that they do to stimulate the economy (Which, let's face it, no one else in America wants to do) we gain more money. Plus, they still pay taxes when they buy things, so the only thing the government isn't getting revenue from is income tax, and they typically don't make that much anyway.
Yeah... that's really long. Another thing the US could do is maybe help out mexico with the drug wars so people aren't tempted to come over here as much.
I think that more needs to be done about illegal immigration, but I think this is just the wrong way. It's just going to lead to racial profiling. You can't train police officers to know what immigrants look like. You just can't. I have these two friends on speech team, and they're both white, and you would never guess that they're immigrants (legal though) but they are. You can't have police officers looking for immigrants, more pressure needs to be placed on employers to hire legally.
That being said, i think that naturalization needs to be made easier. The whole process is a bit ridiculous. And Illegal immigrants don't really steal that much money from the economy. With the work that they do to stimulate the economy (Which, let's face it, no one else in America wants to do) we gain more money. Plus, they still pay taxes when they buy things, so the only thing the government isn't getting revenue from is income tax, and they typically don't make that much anyway.
Yeah... that's really long. Another thing the US could do is maybe help out mexico with the drug wars so people aren't tempted to come over here as much.
Cara [DON'T BE A DRAG JUST BE A QUEEN] wrote: "Illegal immigration:I think that more needs to be done about illegal immigration, but I think this is just the wrong way. It's just going to lead to racial profiling. You can't train police offic..."
I'm honestly curious. What other way could we do things? I'm not sure that pressuring the employers will fix the problem entirely. I think more needs to be done, but I honestly don't know what else could be done but this. But I know what you mean. One of my best friends is one of the whitest people I know and she immigrated to American when she was 4.
I disgaree with some of that paragraph. They do take away jobs that Americans would do. If it came down to it, I think most Americans would take those jobs to help support themselves and their families. I know I would. And with the economy so bad right now, I know a few people who don't have jobs who would gladly take those ones. I don't see how we gain more money because they work... And because income tax is one of the biggest taxes, overall, we don't exactly gain back more money. A lot of illegal immigrants send the money back to their families wherever they may live. I do think that everyone deserves a chance. I'm totally for legal immigration, and I definitely agree that it should be made easier to come over here. I just disagree with illegal immigration.
Jayda wrote: "Cara [DON'T BE A DRAG JUST BE A QUEEN] wrote: "Illegal immigration:
I think that more needs to be done about illegal immigration, but I think this is just the wrong way. It's just going to lead ..."
If you reform the immigration system, grant amnesty to the ones that are here and crack down on businesses than the majority of the problem will be gone. If there are no chances of them getting a job, then they won't come. I agree with you in that something needs to be done, but I think these laws are doing more harm than good.
Actually, the only people they really take jobs away from are high school dropouts. There are very few Americans who want to do the type of work that they do.
We gain money because they still have to pay taxes on things they buy. Also, what a lot of them have been doing is using someone else's social security number to pay taxes for social security, and since they won't receive any of that money back, the government gets a profit from that.
I'm not for illegal immigration, don't get me wrong. I don't think it's fair to those who get wait ten years because they do it the legal way. I just think it's not as bad as it's made out to be.
I think that more needs to be done about illegal immigration, but I think this is just the wrong way. It's just going to lead ..."
If you reform the immigration system, grant amnesty to the ones that are here and crack down on businesses than the majority of the problem will be gone. If there are no chances of them getting a job, then they won't come. I agree with you in that something needs to be done, but I think these laws are doing more harm than good.
Actually, the only people they really take jobs away from are high school dropouts. There are very few Americans who want to do the type of work that they do.
We gain money because they still have to pay taxes on things they buy. Also, what a lot of them have been doing is using someone else's social security number to pay taxes for social security, and since they won't receive any of that money back, the government gets a profit from that.
I'm not for illegal immigration, don't get me wrong. I don't think it's fair to those who get wait ten years because they do it the legal way. I just think it's not as bad as it's made out to be.
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(This is all according to my dad ..."
If they told them that BEFORE the towns were already there, then that makes more sense, but I have a hard time believing that they told them all that before they were built, because a lot of them are old towns that have been around for a pretty long time, before things like that were thought of.
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Lav wrote: "Hmm. I actually sort of find that slightly disrespectful in a way. Sort of like you're mocking their religion? I mean, obviously there should be freedom to draw whatever you want, and they can't ki..."
I agree with Lav. I'm all for freedom of speech, but I think the whole thing sounds silly. I mean, it's not really against the Islamic extemists, that goes against all the Islamic people. It would be like if there was a "burn the cross day" because of the Westboro baptist church.
I just thinking that offending extremists and offending an entire religion are two very, very different things.
I agree with Lav. I'm all for freedom of speech, but I think the whole thing sounds silly. I mean, it's not really against the Islamic extemists, that goes against all the Islamic people. It would be like if there was a "burn the cross day" because of the Westboro baptist church.
I just thinking that offending extremists and offending an entire religion are two very, very different things.
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Exactly. Thank you.
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