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NAPOLEONIC WARS > 7. HF - POST CAPTAIN - CHAPTER 8 (245 - 290) (12/13/10 - 12/19/10) ~ No spoilers, please

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message 1: by Bentley, Group Founder, Leader, Chief (new)

Bentley | 44207 comments Mod
Hello Everyone,

Welcome to the historical fiction discussion of POST CAPTAIN
by Patrick O'Brian.

This is the reading assignment for week seven - (December 13, 2010 to December 19, 2010)

Week Seven - December 13 - December 19 - Chapter 8 - p. 245-290

This is the fourth historical fiction group selected book.

We will open up a thread for each week's reading. Please make sure to post in the particular thread dedicated to those specific chapters and page numbers to avoid spoilers if you are catching up.

This book was kicked off on November 1st.

This discussion is being led by assisting moderator - Christopher. During the discussion of Master and Commander, Christopher volunteered to steer us through the second book in the series. Please support him in this effort.

We always enjoy the participation of all group members. Amazon, Barnes and Noble and other noted on line booksellers do have copies of the book and shipment can be expedited. The book can also be obtained easily at your local library, and may be available on Kindle or audible.

This thread opens up Monday, December 13th for discussion. This is a non spoiler thread.




Post Captain (Aubrey/Maturin, #2) by Patrick O'Brian Patrick O'Brian Patrick O'Brian

Please feel free to research the complete Table of Contents and Syllabus on this thread and to see which version Christopher is using.

Post Captain is the second book in the series and comes after Master and Commander.

Master and Commander (Aubrey/Maturin, #1) by Patrick O'Brian Patrick O'Brian Patrick O'Brian

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I'd like to take a break from the Aubrey/Maturin action to do something I really enjoy with O'Brian - look into all the crazy words and 19th(?) century expressions he uses. Here are some I've found in the book so far and the page numbers in the edition we're using, along with my guesses as to their meaning. Please weigh in on these or any other interesting words or expressions not listed here:

p. 13 - reyther - rather?
p. 17 - a rum-looking cove - disreputable person
- small-clothes - casual clothes?
p. 22 - in looks - when a woman looks good
p. 27 - played Old Harry - made mischief?
p. 45 - uncommon parky - cold, as in cold weather?
p. 45 - beckets - A gadget on a horse drawn carriage used to fasten things. Or something.
- All a-tanto - in good order?
p. 57 - mansuetude - I'm stumped. The sentence is: 'My whole conduct, meekness, mansuetude, voluntary abasement, astonishes me.' Dictionary time.
p. 72 - ducks and drakes - a game of some kind. Cards? Dice?
p. 74 - 'Champflower has not seen such a thing.' This must mean something socially unheard of. The preceding phrase is '- an unattended girl calling upon a single gentlemen.'
p. 86 - blackbeetle - It is used describing some kind of coarse person. Beyond that, who knows.
- scrub wig - Some kind of wig, I guess.
p. 127 - bowse - To push a deck gun up against something?
- a cheese of wads - Wads are what you put in a muzzle loading cannon used on ships of the day to hold the cannonball in before firing (I think) But a cheese of wads? Presumably a wad is round and flat, like a really thick plate, so bunch of wads gathered together would be like a big cheese. I guess.
p. 181 - extrasavated - Used to describe blood. Dictionary time.
p. 191 - Irish chairmen - Yet another term for unsavory persons?
p. 196 - 'take-it-and-drop-it, shilly-shallying, missish...' - Not serious, irresponsible, indiligent?
- shebeen -Used in describing wine. That's as far as I got.

message 3: by Bentley, Group Founder, Leader, Chief (new)

Bentley | 44207 comments Mod
An interesting view: Regarding ducks and drakes..I was looking for what that might be referring to and what I found so far was that it refers to throwing flat stones across the top of water but nothing to do with cards and dice but I will look further:

message 4: by Bentley, Group Founder, Leader, Chief (new)

Bentley | 44207 comments Mod
I also thought it interesting that from the viewpoint of the book; there seem to be some old ideas and references to nationality and religious persuasion with the biases of that time period evident.

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Good points. The derivation of some of these is probably anything from medieval terms or practices to up-to-the-minute 19th century slang.

message 6: by Bentley, Group Founder, Leader, Chief (new)

Bentley | 44207 comments Mod
For sure. I really love O'Brian's writing - there is so much to pick up in terms of the locales, customs, language, etc. A really fun read or listen.

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