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do you think wicked is good?
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Well, they are good and they are bad, it just depends on who's view it's coming from. For example Thomas, Newt, Minho, etc. thought that WICKED was evil, but then Thomas's mother and other people WICKED was good.
I don't think WICKED is good in my opinion. They had a good purpose but they took it or granted.
It depends on the situation. When people were getting insane and die they thought it was good. But there is also the possibility they didn't know the full thing. And of course people who were trapped and almost killed by them will think like this. One has to look fro the outside and hve the full knowlage. It was not clear that Thomas's mother knew all
Yeah, but WICKED was doing everything in their power to find a cure.
Karen wrote: "Yeah, but WICKED was doing everything in their power to find a cure."Yes, you oculd say that, but does that justify the methods? Is it okay to let few suffer to, maybe, safe the rest? I'd simply say their precedecors were stupid to launch something without a cure for it in the first place.
And then mixing immunes with not those who are? Stupid idea. Search for a cure yes, but separate, and different ways, if possible. Other than that it is not better than other cruelties
Ratman did go a bit crazy (More than a bit) to find the cure in The Death Cure. He gives me the creeps.
If you read the maze runner files than you would know that one of the chancellors who got the flare knew there was not going to be a cure but he put false hope into everyone in wicked so all those deaths in the maze and scorth trials were uneccessary as they could have just secured them in that paradise all in the first place. *breathe in* thus wicked is not good because of all those unecessary deaths.
WICKED is good.WICKED's subjects are not the only ones in the world who've suffered. Every Crank on the street was once a person with his own life, contributing to society, feeling ordinary pleasures of the world.
James Dashner wrote the story of Thomas and Co., a bunch of Immunes who suffered the Trials, and remembered nothing about their parents, their relatives who suffered from the Flare.
What he did NOT write, was the story of the billions who were not Immune, or who had family members who were not Immune.
"There are many truths of which the full meaning cannot be realized until personal experience has brought it home." - John Stuart Mill.
Ironically, Thomas and his friends DID find personal experience in The Death Cure - Newt becoming a Crank. Minho, in fact, realised that he now understood WICKED, and that "if you could find a cure for that..." He doesn't go further with it, because he's afraid of "betraying" Thomas. Heck, after Thomas's idiotic reaction to Teresa's "betrayal", he's probably made all his friends his yes-men.
Those in power would have been guilty of supporting the Flare if they HADN'T attempted to find a cure. Again I quote John Stuart Mill.
"A person may cause evil to others not only by his actions but by his inaction, and in either case he is justly accountable to them for the injury." - John Stuart Mill
I should admit, though, that WICKED ended up divided into two different factions - one led by Ava Paige, the truly utilitarian section, who recognised that they were unable to find a cure, and resorted to the last resort - letting the Immunes have the world; and the other, led by Janson et al, and probably ended up the majority at WICKED, who cared only about keeping their organisation (and their paychecks) alive even after they've obviously failed.
P.S. The argument that "they failed at finding the cure, thus they're bad" is complete nonsense - being good or bad depends on the intentions, and as long as they had any chance at finding a cure, they were justified in sacrificing a few.
Wicked had good intentions. They wanted to stop one horrible thing, the Flare, but they went about it in a bad way. They just caused another bad thing to happen, the death of all those poor kids.
some of the people in wicked are good... it strted with good intentions but most of them were soo absorbed into their work that they became soo cruel
I absolutely do not thing WICKED is good. They have done soo many things to innocent to kids. If you guys have not read fever code then you do not know the things WICKED has done to kids.
I think they had good intentions but we're going about it all wrong and should not have done that to my newtie or my tommy or my Minho #goldentrio
Ella wrote: "I think they had good intentions but we're going about it all wrong and should not have done that to my newtie or my tommy or my Minho #goldentrio"I agree, but how else would they have gone about it? I think the mistake they made was letting the Gladers who were not Immune go into the Scorch. They were unnecessarily cruel, but they were not all bad.
I believe the WICKED in the beginning had good intentions, but later on when the boys escaped the maze and all, the WICKED community just got messed up. Even though Ava helped out towards the end by having the map to the save haven in front of Thomas, I still thought she was a messed up lady. In the movie adaption, they made Ava look super dooper bad.
Yeah wicked is kinda good cause they saved Thomas and everyone(well not everyone) but like idk
Mani wrote: "I believe the WICKED in the beginning had good intentions, but later on when the boys escaped the maze and all, the WICKED community just got messed up. Even though Ava helped out towards the end b..."Yeah.
Mani wrote: "I believe the WICKED in the beginning had good intentions, but later on when the boys escaped the maze and all, the WICKED community just got messed up. Even though Ava helped out towards the end b..."As I believe W.I.C.K.E.D., made the flare, so why were they looking for the cure and acting like they didn't make it. Essentially, everything was their fault, but they were making the kids struggle through the trials, while lying and acted like the kids held the answer to the flare.
*SPOILERS* They didn't mean to make the flare, it was an accident. WICKED was formed after Deedee was brought in by Mark.
Juldos wrote: "what did the word WICKED mean???"It means World In Catastrophe Killzone Experiment Department,
Satsuma wrote: "I think WICKED is, like, wicked.:D"
Totally Wicked Dude.
I just added you cuz like I'm seeing you everywhere
special song for all my Maze Runner fansMinho: CUZ I NEWT YOU WERE TROUBLE WHEN YOU LIMPED IIIIIIIN
Newt: srsly minho?
Minho: SO SHAME ON WICKED NOW, YOU FELL FROM A PLACE YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEEEEEEN
Newt: minho-
Minho: THEN YOU WERE LYIN ON THE COLD MAZE GROUND!
Newt: i'll kill you
Got that off some meme lads, no harsh judgement
I think they had good intentions but then they go out of hand. They were trying to find a cure to a disease that ate the human brain. kinda doesn't make any sense how to make a cure for that, they should've been finding a way to kill the disease or stop it from spreading.
I even doubt if they were good scientists. I mean, their experiments were really weird and cruel. What's even the point of having Chuck jump before Thomas and die? What has Thomas's grief to do with finding a cure for a disease? And I think it's not really believable that they couldn't use better ways. After all, the story was happening in the far future, so the technology should have been better.
They had good intentions but the way they did this was kind of bad...
I feel that WICKED had good intensions to find a cure but we need to remember that they were the ones that revealed the virus know as the flare to the world as an attempt to decrease population a little so they could afford giving care to everyone after the Sun Flares. They also tested kids to an unforgivable extent and resulted in the deaths of many teens. So I believe that WICKED is not good.
good intentions but in the end they all went crazy. (well more like since the beginning)
the intention behind creating WICKED was good. the people in it were not, so imo, in the end, WICKED isn’t good
Okay, on the one hand, WICKED is good. They started out intending to save the human race when the world was devastated by sun flares. However, we mustn´t forget, that it was the predecessors of WICKED who spread the virus in the first place. I´m assuming, that because WICKED is good, they figured out their mistake and attempted to fix it. I think that at one point they realized that it wasn´t going to be as simple as they thought, and because people were depending on them to cure the Flare, they took measures into their own hands and turned things extreme.
I´m assuming that somewhere along the line, WICKED got out of control and started being more and more cruel to their subjects. We literally even read about it in the Fever Code, that because of a Flare outbreak (started by Ava), they had to shorten the Maze Trials and be more harsh on the Gladers. So in a way, WICKED is exactly how I would characterize the organization.
On the other hand, at some point later on, Ava learned that the Flare had no cure, and instead of supporting the idea of a new set of trials, she saved Thomas and the others--tried to fix her mistake.
But this is really difficult to determine, as there are two sides to WICKED. But this is how I see it. WICKED IT NOT GOOD.
Sacrifice few to save many. May seem noble, but it's hard to say if it really justifies it. Should they have really let a few suffer, to save the rest?
Study them yes. But let them go through such cruel trials?
Safe humanity. That's a lot. Can be too much.
Why find a cure. Why not find out how it makes them immune and save the rest healthy. Those who are sick will go fast at some point. Doesn't matter if they také the Bliss or not.
I say no. Their behavior was irrational in many way.
And I think it brings up some interesting question for us. What will we do if it come. No, it is not a qustion of, but when. SOmething will come, and people should think what they would do.