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message 51: by [deleted user] (new)

Is there a check box for "don't give a fat fuck"? Sexual orientation is a self-fulfilling prophecy and not a very interesting one at that.


message 52: by Lobstergirl, el principe (new)

Lobstergirl | 24778 comments Mod
Clark wrote: "Sexual orientation is a self-fulfilling prophecy"

What does that mean?


message 53: by Malcolm (new)

Malcolm Esquire (MalcolmEsq) I wondered that too!


message 54: by Félix (new)

Félix (habitseven) I think it means he believes sexual preference is a choice. I'm just guessing, though.


message 55: by [deleted user] (new)

C, I don't know if that is what Clark meant. Larry was guessing. What he did say made no sense to me.

Arminius' statement is one I have heard many times before, only from men. If I was in a situation where I was sleeping, showering, dressing & peeing with lesbians, I doubt I would give it a second thought. First of all, they have all the parts I have, so nothing new there. I'm not dumb enough to believe that being gay somehow effects your ability to be professional and self controlled. And, I'm not vain enough to think I'm irresistible! Whatever.

I absolutely do NOT think that sexual orientation is a "choice" for most people. The bisexual folks as the exception. One of my best friends in this life grew up in the Church of Christ. Preaches for brothers, deacon for a dad...he agonized over whether or not to live his life true to who he was, or who he thought he aught to be. No. He would never have chosen it.

I still remember when he came out to me. He really expected me to not want to be his friend anymore! Of course I told him he was crazy and I'd always love him, nothing would change that. Makes me sad all over again. No one will ever convince me that being gay is something you choose.


message 56: by Lobstergirl, el principe (new)

Lobstergirl | 24778 comments Mod
I don't think it follows that bisexuality is an exception.


message 57: by [deleted user] (new)

They have a choice whether or not to be gay or straight... Don't they?


message 58: by Lobstergirl, el principe (new)

Lobstergirl | 24778 comments Mod
If sexuality is something innate, why would bisexuality not be innate, but be a choice?


message 59: by [deleted user] (new)

Jeeze, you're contentious tonight. I wasn't saying they aren't born with the attraction to both sexes. I was saying they have a CHOICE to live life gay or straight while still being true to who they are.


message 60: by Lobstergirl, el principe (new)

Lobstergirl | 24778 comments Mod
I think you're confusing the "ability" of a bisexual person to have sometimes a male lover, sometimes a female lover - which perhaps could be construed as "choosing" which gender to have sex with, with the condition of their brain or genes or whatever it is which has assigned them to bisexuality.


message 61: by Chris (new)

Chris (bibliophile85) Not to seem disparaging to anyone...but if heterosexuality and homosexuality isn't a choice, I fail to understand why bisexuality is.

We can't help who we fall in love with or whom we are sexually attracted to.

I've always looked at sexual orientation like this. If it were indeed a choice, why would so many people put themselves through nine different shades of hell just to be with the people they love? Would it not be easier to just be straight?

Again, I do not mean in any way to come off as insulting to anyone. I'm just honestly curious why one would think bisexuality is a choice and not say the same about homosexuality or heterosexuality?

We're all friends here....smiles and hugs and pretty, pony princesses :D


message 62: by [deleted user] (new)

I did say, for the third time I think, that it was not my intention to infer that one is not born with the ability to be attracted to both sexes in the case of bisexuality. Clearly my point has been completely lost in the details (and potentially my complete inability to communicate clearly ). And so I bid you good-night.


message 63: by Lobstergirl, el principe (new)

Lobstergirl | 24778 comments Mod
10 Famous Male Bisexuals Who Aren’t David Bowie
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Leonard Bernstein....hawt.


message 64: by Susan (last edited Nov 24, 2012 10:11AM) (new)

Susan | 6406 comments I think you want what you want. How or why it needs to be the business of other people eludes me. I like people to be happy for who they are. I like people to live happy lives. That is the only time I really feel their private lives affect my own.

Also, I would like pony.


message 65: by Félix (new)

Félix (habitseven) Ponies bite.


message 66: by Susan (last edited Nov 25, 2012 09:18AM) (new)

Susan | 6406 comments Only when you don't handle them right. I have known them to be quite sweet.


message 67: by Susan (new)

Susan | 6406 comments Oh, absolutely! What better way to broaden one's horizons. I love a good story swap.


message 68: by Félix (new)

Félix (habitseven) What about the "I've fallen and I can't get up" debate?


message 69: by Lobstergirl, el principe (new)

Lobstergirl | 24778 comments Mod
Don't ask.


message 70: by Félix (new)

Félix (habitseven) Do tell.


message 71: by Lobstergirl, el principe (new)

Lobstergirl | 24778 comments Mod
The fallen people lost, and the still standing people won.


message 72: by Félix (new)

Félix (habitseven) Help!


message 73: by Lobstergirl, el principe (new)

Lobstergirl | 24778 comments Mod
Did you press the LifeCall pendant?? If not, no one can help you!

Loser!


message 74: by Félix (new)

Félix (habitseven) ::dies::


message 75: by Lobstergirl, el principe (new)

Lobstergirl | 24778 comments Mod
"We're sending help immediately, Mrs. Fletcher."


message 76: by Susan (new)

Susan | 6406 comments So sad.


message 77: by Félix (new)

Félix (habitseven) My friend who has advanced ALS just had to get one of these lifeline devices for real. Recently, as he was attempting to get into bed from his mobility device, he fell to the floor and couldn't move. He had to call 911 to get assistance.


message 78: by Susan (new)

Susan | 6406 comments My husband's grandfather did not have one. He fell down the steps and could not get up. He bled to death waiting for someone to come find him. I can't imagine how awful that must have been for him.


message 79: by Jammies (new)

Jammies The commercials were awful, the devices are frequently life-savers. Although we did have one client who abused his, calling for help getting off the toilet once a night for an entire week until the fire department said if he didn't quit it, they'd stop responding at all.


message 80: by Susan (new)

Susan | 6406 comments What a shit!


message 81: by Jammies (new)

Jammies Larry, I'm sorry about your friend. *hugs*


message 82: by Félix (new)

Félix (habitseven) Thanks, Zomb.


message 83: by Phil (new)

Phil | 11837 comments ::scans paper for Felarry's obituary::


::finds none:


::thinks Felarry may have been kidding in msg #83::


message 84: by evie (new)

evie (ecie) | 4437 comments My mum has a personal alarm and so does my sister.


message 85: by [deleted user] (new)

Mr. Amy's mom and step dad both have them. There's even a portable one she makes the Mr. take every where he goes. It transmits like a cell phone. The really good thing about them, aside from the assistance, is they already have all of your medical history, medications etc. on file. This is very helpful in the case of an emergency where you are confused or unable to communicate normally. Mr. Amy's step-dad has some issues with his memory, so he would never know the answers to what meds he takes etc.


message 86: by evie (new)

evie (ecie) | 4437 comments I think I'll just take a powder.


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