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Who dragged the cat in?
Anybody know where this common "feline not-so-fine" expression originates?
Anybody know where this common "feline not-so-fine" expression originates?
Messed up. I'm thinking of look at what the cat dragged in!
I swear. This is my brain. This is my brain on age...
I swear. This is my brain. This is my brain on age...
dog day afternoon
three dog night
dog-gone tired
gone to the dogs
(Is someone supposed to be looking these up? Let the dog fetch the answers...)
three dog night
dog-gone tired
gone to the dogs
(Is someone supposed to be looking these up? Let the dog fetch the answers...)
We once had a cat that dragged in (or tried to) various "gifts" for us. You know, squirrel head, dead garter snake, dead (but never eaten, for some reason) chipmunk, various organs from various animals deemed variously disgusting even to a cat's palate.
Alas, Allie Cat is no more. And what a cat! A cat that acted like a dog (well, sometimes). That's cat worth its weight in dog pounds (woof).
Now I see fewer and fewer "outdoor cats" to control the local rodent population (especially the damned chipmunks which ate my garden last spring). Reason being, we now have all manner of coyotes and fishers in the surrounding woods. Both are happy to eat cats and your little dog, too (insert Wicked Witch of the West cackle here)...
Alas, Allie Cat is no more. And what a cat! A cat that acted like a dog (well, sometimes). That's cat worth its weight in dog pounds (woof).
Now I see fewer and fewer "outdoor cats" to control the local rodent population (especially the damned chipmunks which ate my garden last spring). Reason being, we now have all manner of coyotes and fishers in the surrounding woods. Both are happy to eat cats and your little dog, too (insert Wicked Witch of the West cackle here)...
Turnabout is fair play. (I saw a hawk pick off a little bird the other day, too. Talk about one fell swoop -- that hawk was it!)
I had a cat in my childhood that gifted me a freshly caught 3 foot long eel....ON MY BED!!!
And every now and then the 'bird will turn'. My current cat (Jubjub - not my fault) made such inroads into the unfledged blackbird chicks in the trees around my neighbourhood that one bereft pair started divebombing him every time he poked a whisker outside! (they worked in tandem - first one and then the other in a finely coordinated attack). It got to the stage where he would make a valiant dash for the garage, only to dash back again, a quivering and cowering wreck!! The blackbirds actually drew blood a couple of times...grazing the top of his head.
And every now and then the 'bird will turn'. My current cat (Jubjub - not my fault) made such inroads into the unfledged blackbird chicks in the trees around my neighbourhood that one bereft pair started divebombing him every time he poked a whisker outside! (they worked in tandem - first one and then the other in a finely coordinated attack). It got to the stage where he would make a valiant dash for the garage, only to dash back again, a quivering and cowering wreck!! The blackbirds actually drew blood a couple of times...grazing the top of his head.

Anyone have a clue?

(yah but they're all pretty gross)
and the place's too small to swing a cat
(again what's with all the cat abuse?)

I think this is from the naval use, during the days of sail, of the "cat o' nine tails" (a type of whip) used in punishing miscreants. Certain areas of the ship were cramped and with low decks so punishment was carried out on the open deck to allow a suitable swing of "the cat".
Are you Twainiacs familiar with the books by Kent Rasmussen, Chief Twainiac of all, and longtime member (now on hiatus) of Constant Reader?
Check them out at http://www.goodreads.com/search/searc...
Check them out at http://www.goodreads.com/search/searc...
Unfamiliar with Rasmussen's stuff, I fear. I kind of OD'd on Twainia and started focusing more on Twain's writing itself a few years back.
Bunny, I was lucky enough to receive the entire Oxford set of Twain's unabridged works a while back. A gift from the Good Wyfe for my birthday.
Bunny, I was lucky enough to receive the entire Oxford set of Twain's unabridged works a while back. A gift from the Good Wyfe for my birthday.

Speaking of H. Rider Haggard, it was just this summer that I read the kiddie classic King Solomon's Mines. I guess you can make up for lost time any ole time. I also own (but have yet to read) She. Probably it is about a Wyfe figure.
My ex-husband also called me 'She Who Must be Obeyed'......behind my back, to his work colleagues. I didn't like it. Hence ex...... (amongst other reasons)!
Never heard that expression. If its origin is Rumpole the Bailey, that explains why. I'm a popular culture illiterate. Unpopular culture I'm better at.

Speaking of bygones, Rumple was well played by an Aussie actor, the great Leo McKern.
I always hoped I could join Rumpole for a glass of claret at Pomeroy's Wine Bar. I'm a Pomeroy on my mother's side.
Interesting. I've read that H. Rider Haggard scholars argue over which is the greater work, She or King Solomon's Mines.
Right. I did say "H. Rider Haggard scholars" (as opposed to genuine guardians of the blessed canon).
Sooo....curmudgeon...from The Online Etymology Dictionary..."curmudgeon
1577, of unknown origin; Johnson's suggestion that it is from Fr. coeur mechant "evil heart" is no longer taken seriously; the first syllable may be cur "dog."
This is the best one...link for other theories follows...."Without having any real evidence, I think it's likely that curmudgeon has some connection with cur, which came into English early in the 12th century and is related to Germanic verbs meaning 'to growl'. As for the second part of the word, the Century Dictionary, published in 1889, suggests as a possible source either of two Scottish words, mudgeon, 'grimace', or murgeon 'mock or grumble'. "
http://www.randomhouse.com/wotd/index...
" A curmudgeon's reputation for malevolence is undeserved. They're neither warped nor evil at heart. They don't hate mankind, just mankind's absurdities. They're just as sensitive and soft-hearted as the next guy, but they hide their vulnerability beneath a crust of misanthropy. They ease the pain by turning hurt into humor. . . . . . They attack maudlinism because it devalues genuine sentiment. . . . . . Nature, having failed to equip them with a servicable denial mechanism, has endowed them with astute perception and sly wit.
Curmudgeons are mockers and debunkers whose bitterness is a symptom rather than a disease. They can't compromise their standards and can't manage the suspension of disbelief necessary for feigned cheerfulness. Their awareness is a curse.
Perhaps curmudgeons have gotten a bad rap in the same way that the messenger is blamed for the message: They have the temerity to comment on the human condition without apology. They not only refuse to applaud mediocrity, they howl it down with morose glee. Their versions of the truth unsettle us, and we hold it against them, even though they soften it with humor. "
JON WINOKUR
http://www.curmudgeon-online.net/inde...
1577, of unknown origin; Johnson's suggestion that it is from Fr. coeur mechant "evil heart" is no longer taken seriously; the first syllable may be cur "dog."
This is the best one...link for other theories follows...."Without having any real evidence, I think it's likely that curmudgeon has some connection with cur, which came into English early in the 12th century and is related to Germanic verbs meaning 'to growl'. As for the second part of the word, the Century Dictionary, published in 1889, suggests as a possible source either of two Scottish words, mudgeon, 'grimace', or murgeon 'mock or grumble'. "
http://www.randomhouse.com/wotd/index...
" A curmudgeon's reputation for malevolence is undeserved. They're neither warped nor evil at heart. They don't hate mankind, just mankind's absurdities. They're just as sensitive and soft-hearted as the next guy, but they hide their vulnerability beneath a crust of misanthropy. They ease the pain by turning hurt into humor. . . . . . They attack maudlinism because it devalues genuine sentiment. . . . . . Nature, having failed to equip them with a servicable denial mechanism, has endowed them with astute perception and sly wit.
Curmudgeons are mockers and debunkers whose bitterness is a symptom rather than a disease. They can't compromise their standards and can't manage the suspension of disbelief necessary for feigned cheerfulness. Their awareness is a curse.
Perhaps curmudgeons have gotten a bad rap in the same way that the messenger is blamed for the message: They have the temerity to comment on the human condition without apology. They not only refuse to applaud mediocrity, they howl it down with morose glee. Their versions of the truth unsettle us, and we hold it against them, even though they soften it with humor. "
JON WINOKUR
http://www.curmudgeon-online.net/inde...

The "turkey" did not come from Turkey, but from the New World. The French call it dinde, which means "from India," and in Brazil it's called perú. All these origin theories are mistaken, I believe. The turkey was domesticated in Mexico, where it is known as guajolote, from the Nahuatl huexolotl, except among snobs, where it is known as pavo, or "pheasant."
These mistaken origins are not uncommon. What we call "Danish pastry" the Danes call Viennese.
An aside: turkey used to be a luxury food, as reflected in the Cole Porter song, "You're the Top" ("You're the top;/You're a turkey dinner;/You're the time/Of a Derby winner./I'm just in the way/As the French would say/De trop,/But if baby, I'm the bottom, you're the top.") Hyrbid turkeys having become relatively efficient converters of vegetable feed to protein, turkey is now a healthier substitute for other meats.
If you eat turkey, tofurkey, or pastries today, enjoy them.



Battered and with lemon juice, very nice.

"If I invite a guy some night
To dine on my fine finnan haddie
I just adore his asking for more
But my heart belongs to Daddy."
Finnan haddie is smoked haddock, from Findon, a place in Scotland.
In Boston, they call haddock "scrod," as in
"I've been in Boston for a week and I haven't got scrod."
"Must be the water."
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but i always seem to be removing my foot from my mouth