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I Pro abortion but I have something to say
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Sep 24, 2008 06:12PM
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aborton is a form of genocide.it's really that simple.
you can't be Pro-choice and mad at Hitler at the same time...
he as in me, or as in the Canadian doctor?
Ok, my brain went all fuzzed for a seccond.Crazy doctor.
Mad at someone for NOT killing a baby.
It's a shame...
Aren't doctors supposed to PREVENT death?????!
well, at least its 1 doctor against a lage number of us...
nothing got IN their heads, but i think the logic part LEFT theirs
and I have a tumor.Boy am I glad I wasn't aborted!
...if you kill a murderer, then you have become one...
i found out the best way to say this:if you want an alternative to abortion and adoption, then it is not "solving the equation: ♂+♀"
laughing at me?oh...=| ok...:|
well, nevermind....
"yes, but sadly my parents say that Europe and other places doctors and poeple are trying to make laws saying that if you are pregnant and you find out that it is a baby with Down Syndrome, it should have to be aborted! And there is a big push in this thing where older people with anmesia or what ever it's called, should be "put down"! Because they are making us suffer so they should be happy to go "down". I mean that is just mental! We use the phrase "put to sleep" or " put down" about animals! What has gotten into these poeples heads??????????"That's the biggest loads of rubbish I've ever heard, and I live in Europe. We are more accepting of people with things like Down's Syndrome then most places. I mean, just like at things like how on kids tv we have shows like "Something Special" which ONLY features disabled kids, but isn't in your face about it...That's hardly unaccepting.
Interesting thing about kid's with Down's Syndrome though...My auntie got pregnant at like, fourty, and the older you are in pregnancy, the more likely your kid is to have Down's. She said that if she found out her kid had it, she would abort. I was like "WHY, in the world would you do that?!" (I have a disablity myself so I'm very protective about things like that)and she explained to me pretty simply that obviously one day, her and her husband will get old, and won't be able to look after their child anymore...And if it did have Down's (not just midly, but more seriously, so they can't live independtly)what would happen to them after she couldn't look after it anymore? It's a LOT of work looking after a disabled child, especially as you go into old age, and the best thing that could happen is they would end up in a residental home or assited living facility - Which are places with nice intentions, but when you've lived your entire life in a normal family homes they are NOT good places to be or easy to adjust to when you're handicapped and maybe don't fully understand.
So...Maybe abortion is a better option in some circumstances. It's certainly better than living a horrible life, in my opinion. It's not like you'll miss a life you never got to have...
well, i see your point.for example, your life is gonna be terrible if you have a tummor...wait a minnute.
oh, nevermind!
ok well bad example.
if you have gross-motor skill delay then...oh nevermind.
ok bad example.
if you have hyperactivity...
bad example.
uh....
AHA!
if you can't make a good example your life will be terrible! there! that works! i think...
Oh, and out of interest...How is killing animals any more fair then abortion? And how fo you guys feel about euthanasia (in humans) and things?
euthanasia is a great way to describa abortions!Euthanasia: the intentional killing by act or omission of a dependent human being for his or her alleged benefit.
"for example, your life is gonna be terrible if you have a tummor...wait a minnute.oh, nevermind!"
I have CP and my life is far from terrible. My sister has Arnold Chari and her life isn't terrible. (Well...She might argue with that, right now anyway.)
But I certainly think there are SOME conditions that are truly awful and maybe the child WOULD be better off aborted...To spare them from so much suffering in life and on Earth.
do you know what the pupose of an animal is?
"euthanasia is a great way to describa abortions!"So...You think euthanasia is wrong? Do you even really know what euthanasia IS, because it's really nothing to do with abortions. Well, not really. Though I suppose an argument like this can get WAY too complicated.
"do you know what the pupose of an animal is?"They have no more of a "purpose" then we do.
"whats happening "right now""
She's just had major surgery and is feeling pretty shitty.
"my bro has add and his life isn't terrible"There's nothing about ADD that could really make your life terrible, tbh. Apart from maybe the frustration from it all.
Why does euthanasia scare you?
"Euthanasia By Action: Intentionally causing a person's death by performing an action such as by giving a lethal injection. ""What Euthanasia is NOT: There is no euthanasia unless the death is intentionally caused by what was done or not done. Thus, some medical actions that are often labeled "passive euthanasia" are no form of euthanasia, since the intention to take life is lacking. These acts include not commencing treatment that would not provide a benefit to the patient, withdrawing treatment that has been shown to be ineffective, too burdensome or is unwanted, and the giving of high doses of pain-killers that may endanger life, when they have been shown to be necessary. All those are part of good medical practice, endorsed by law, when they are properly carried out."
abortion is the INTENTIONAL KILLING OF SOMEONE!!!
THEY ARE ALMOST EXACTLY THE SAME!
(if your thinking of the same deffinition)
"do u think that someone who had heart problems would wanna be taken off of treatment, or a heart helper machine thingy, or whatever, just like that? um, yeah, i don't think so!"Ummm...Some people do. Consented euthanasia, anyone? That's what people are pushing to have made legal.
What about when people are on life-support machines and there family turns them off and lets them die? Is that wrong?
I think the main way people perform euthanasia (on humans) right now is actually an overdose of morphine.Or that's what I've heard about, anyway. House MD FOR THE WIN! Lol. xD
"What about when people are on life-support machines and there family turns them off and lets them die? Is that wrong? "
uh, actualy, murder IS wrong.
"uh, actualy, murder IS wrong."How is that murder, though? It's extremly narrow-minded to say that that is. What if life-support machines had never been invented?!
And did you know that euthanasia literally means "good death" in Ancient Greek? (Yay for Wikipedia, lol.)
"um, it's ending the person's life. ENDING a PERSON'S life. ENDING IT!!! did they ever say they wanted to die?!?!?!?!?!"Well, it depends. If it's consented euthanasia, then yeah, they did say so.
If they were on a life-support machine? Well, it's only that machine that's keeping them alive in the firstplace...Hmmmmmmmm.
But if you belive in one, than how can you believe in the other? If we don't have a right to end someones life, than why do we have the right to continue it? (I mean, I'm all for life-support machines and medical treatment, I think they're great things.) I'm just trying to raise a point here.
But that's not what I was trying to say. I'm just trying to point out that people are VERY hypocritical in these type of debates sometimes.I notice a lot of Pro-Lifers are Christians...And I always thought that only God has the right to take away life...And only HE has the right to continue it, too. So, therefore, life-support machines are wrong, yet you support them, so you support extending someones life (As I do, in many instances) and yet, you see abortion (You could argue that's taking someones life) as WRONG - If one thing should only be down to God, then shouldn't both?
I'm not Christian, but I always thought Christians believed that our days on Earth are in His hands and no-one elses. That we are NEVER robbed of the days He had planned for us.
So, while in that case it makes sense your against abortion - It dosen't make sense your for being kept alive by machines. Hence the hypocrisy that's coming across
oh,by the way, God made the guy that invented to life-support machine!and
Rowand is a seed used as bird feed, acording to wikipedia
Using THAT logic, then God created the man that created abortions, and the man that made them legal...So your point, again?
Re: (ROWAN) And did you know that euthanasia literally means "good death" in Ancient Greek? (Yay for Wikipedia, lol.)Yes, indeed Rowan. And did you know that the ancient Greeks and Romans left their "unwanted" to die ALONE on isolated hilltops or trash heaps, basically starving them to death? Imagine their brutal deaths, exposed to the elements and prey to birds and beasts. The reasons? Simply because an "unwanted" girl was born to a family, instead of a boy, or a child was born with some sort of defect, or seen as "weak". This practice was wide spread, and fiercely condemned by the Christians, who firmly believed that ALL life was sacred from beginning to end.
Today, millions are dying from abortion, genocide, and euthanasia. Our society is desensitised to murder. It happens all around us, and we DON'T CARE. It's none of our business what others do. How a society views its old, weak, and disabled is reflective of it. Did you know that in the Netherlands doctors are allowed to euthanise the mentally ill...without their consent? Despite our thinking we are so "with it" in our modern world, we are nothing but barbarians (like the Greeks and Romans) in the way we treat those deemed "unwanted".
It is good for us to care for those who are disabled, old, or sick. It brings out the best in our "humanity". There is merit in suffering as well. Each and every person born into this world has value. God has a plan. God alone is meant to be the Giver and Taker of life. Who are WE to decide who lives and who dies?
Your post is rather irrevelant. It's not my problem that they're are doctors who will euthanasia people without their consent, or what the Ancient Greeks did (And don't get me started on Christians, they were just as barbaric in years past, stoning people to death for working on Sundays or being gay, etc!). I don't agree with that at all, what would you like me to say? That's wasn't my point.My point was that Christians are hypocrites a lot of the time when they are against abortion or even consented euthanasia yet are for things such as life-support machines, because, as you said, by their beliefs, God is supposed to be both the Giver AND the Taker, so if one is bad why isn't the other?
God cares for you, Rowan.
For me, it just makes me sad to think that a child who never did anything wrong expect, maybe if you want to be heartless about it, exist, needs to be punished for something the mother did.Although i will admit rape is a different story.
But if a teenager is just screwing around, i feel sorry for the baby getting punished for it.
It's not just the Mother's body that matters. The baby is a human being too, and we have to treat it equally.
