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message 101: by Sara ♥ (new)

Sara ♥ (saranicole) | 1114 comments I haven't read most of the messages above, but I quite liked Mockingjay. Not as much as the previous two.... I mean, did she HAVE to kill Prim after all that? After the whole reason Katniss ever got involved in the Hunger Games was to save her sister's life? And they she dies ANYWAY??? And did Finnick have to die? I liked him.....

I was Team Gale before (but was open to Peeta)... and I think the reasons she picked Peeta over Gale made sense, so I was happy about that.

Overall, I think the end was APPROPRIATE for the series. Not the over-the-top happy ending I usually prefer, but that wouldn't have made sense with these books...


message 102: by Arow (new)

Arow I just finished Mockingjay and I was both satisfied and disappointed. Since the first novel I wanted Katniss to end up with Peeta but I was left feeling incomplete with the way they finally came together. But it did make sense how they came together and the trust and dependency they have for each other.

I did appreciate how real the feelings were in this novel and how I could relate to the feelings that Katniss was having and the inner turmeric she was feeling over everything. I was so happy that she shot Coin and left Snow to die painfully. He did not deserve a quick death.

I hated that Prim got killed at the very end and it was heartbreaking. I did have tears in my eyes reading that last scene.

All in all, I am glad that I read the series; I will recommend that people read it.


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Kate MacKinnon | 31 comments Joanne wrote: "I finished this book about one week ago and have been mulling it over since then. I was trying to figure out why I did not think this book was as good as the first two - which I just flew through ..."

I'm wondering if i misunderstood part of the story. I thought that Katniss voted for another games because Coin's options were either another games for the Capital Leaders children or kill off all the Capital Leaders / family. I thought she was picking the lesser of two evils. I wish I hadn't been so quick to return the book to the library so I could check! I may have misunderstood that part as I devoured the final few chapters...


message 104: by Helen (new)

Helen Southall (hsouthall) | 356 comments I really liked the whole series including Mockingjay. I saw elements the hunger games in all three books, just in different arenas. The Capital was creating pseudo hunger games in the day to day life in the districts - always danger, survival of the fittest, etc, etc. The battles betweeen the Capitol and the rebels was a hunger games in itself. Note that video feeds were used throughout for the edification/entertainment/manipulation of the masses.

Katniss as a character was compelling - the author did a great job of showing her strengths and her weaknesses. She also showed that heroism often is not a function of a complete person but in making the right decision at the right time.

Her decision to vote for the Hunger Games was a strategic decision. Haymitch saw that and understood it and voted with her. Snow had never lied to her - he was always against her and they both knew it. His comment that "we never lied to each other" was the one real thing she could grasp and his comment that Coin had initiated the trap rang true. When she said she voted for the games for Prim, she meant that she had to stop Coin from becoming another maniacal leader like Snow. Voting for the games kept her where she could stop Coin.

The ending was as good as it could be. We have broken people from a broken society. The only hope was that they could find their own small space to heal was well as they could.

The myriad of comments show that the author did her job. She made us think! Bravo.


message 105: by Elliott (new)

Elliott I liked this book the most out of the three. I'm surprised to see many people thought it was the worst.


message 106: by Liz (new)

Liz I was surprised by that too. It's definitely my favorite one also!


message 107: by Stephanie (new)

Stephanie I was another one who thought the series went downhill, and found myself not looking forward to picking this one up to read. I thought The Hunger Games was fantastic and Catching Fire was very good, but I felt that with this book the element of the games (which for me is what made the first two books so captivating) was lost. A disappointing finish. I hope the film version is really well done and does the series justice.

Side note...this is one of those YA books that I know WAY more adults to have read than teens. Actually, now that I think about it, I don't know any teens that have read the series even though I teach high school and promote books HEAVILY!


message 108: by Lori (new)

Lori  (batchelorxyz) | 218 comments I work in a library and I know a bunch of teens who have read the series.


message 109: by Stesse (new)

Stesse | 270 comments I just finished Mockingjay and had the usual sadness when a much anticipated series has ended. I enjoyed it and am in fact still trying to digest it... wondering if my vaguely unsettled / unsatisfied feeling is due to it being over or due to the storyline and the conclusion.


message 110: by Kristen (new)

Kristen (kristenma) | 98 comments I finished this book about two weeks ago and I have put off commenting on it until I could fully digest how I felt about this book. I loved the first two books but I was a little disappointed in this book. Katniss seemed so different in this book and I understand why but I still loved the Katniss in the first 2 books. I missed the relationship between Peeta and Katniss as well. At the end of the book I was near tears with the death of Prim because Katniss has already suffered so much. I also have to say that I am really disappointed with the way things ended between Katniss and Gale. I needed before resolution than Collins gave. Overall I felt really sad when I finished this book. It was so much darker thatn the first two but it was meant to be. I think I will have to read it again at some point.


message 111: by Manday (new)

Manday | 307 comments I am going to go ahead and hop on the wagon of those who liked this. In fact, I might take it up one step and say I loved it. The first two books were entertaining, but that was about it. This third book was chalked full of layers of complexity and interesting ideas. I think it steps beyond the normal YA SciFi and compares favorably with Orson Scott Card's Ender's Game. It features an emotionally complex lead that does not want the power they are falling into, a realistic alternate future in which power is a universal desire and it is not clear who is good and bad, and an ending that highlights that complexity. Most series either end with happily ever after or heroic sacrifice. It was nice to read a book where the characters lived, but faced the real emotional consequences of their actions and pasts.


message 112: by Joy Marie (new)

Joy Marie | 140 comments Overall I liked Mockingjay, but definitely not as much as the first two books. I am very happy that Katniss killed Coin since Coin was responsible for Prim's death. I also agree, as others have said, that Collins could have capitalized on the them of the oppressed becoming the oppressor with Coins character. Instead the book suddenly ends with Katniss being exiled. I think the characters should have understood that Katniss was trying to save them from another oppressor and she should have been made a hero! I also really would have liked to see Snow and Coin, and some of the head peacekeepers placed in a final Hunger Games...that would have been awesome.


message 113: by Manday (new)

Manday | 307 comments I think the characters should have understood that Katniss was trying to save them from another oppressor and she should have been made a hero

Do you think Katniss would have been happy with that? They would probably have then dragged her into politics where she would be even more miserable.


message 114: by Shaylene (new)

Shaylene | 16 comments I just finished Mockingjay, after re-reading The Hunger Games and Catching Fire, and, like most of the people here, found that I was a little disappointed. I felt like I lost the real Katniss Everdeen in this third book. Although I know that part of the point was that she was pushed to her breaking point and became a more cold, heartless person, I just didn't like the feel of the book as a whole. While I'm happy to have read the third book, I leave the series feeling a little sad with the way things ended. I also feel like the ending, especially the part with Prim magically showing up and dying in the capital, was a bit rushed.


message 115: by Amy W (new)

Amy W | 206 comments I just finished Mockingjay, right after reading the the first two in the series for the first time. I enjoyed this book as much as The Hunger Games and Catching Fire. It was definitely the "wrap-up" for the series and tied up a lot of loose ends, including the whole rebellion and the love triangle. However, I didn't really enjoy the way that whole parts of the story happen elsewhere, while the reader is stuck with Katniss in meltdown. And, of course, I didn't love the loss of some of my favorite characters. But, I did feel that the author was making a statement about the reality of war, with senseless death and how lost and broken the people that return often remain. The book ended the series in a very realistic way.


message 116: by Kathy G. (new)

Kathy G. | 1931 comments I just finished Mockingjay. I had to read the first two--- and it was some ride. It was repulsive and yet I had to read on. I hated Katniss for voting for another Hunger Game. Has she learned anything? I think the author did a great job with all the twists and turns in all three books. I was constantly surprised. I wanted more people to make it out and I don't understand Prim dying at all. That was awful. You do get the message of how we live to destroy each other. It's very hopeless---- war of any kind.


message 117: by Leah (new)

Leah Loved, loved, loved the series as a whole – so much so that I purchased the entire boxed set & paid full price for it, because I was so impatient to read the second 2 after reading a borrowed copy of Hunger Games, and I knew I’d want to keep these for re-reading! Having said that, I have to agree with the majority of posters here that Mockingjay was my least favorite of the three books. Like someone else who posted earlier, I was sharing my copy with my 15 year old daughter, and didn’t mind giving it up for her turn to read, whereas when we were racing through Catching Fire, I went into her bedroom after she went to sleep and stayed up until 3 am to finish the book because I knew she’d be taking it to school the next morning!! I did miss the element of the games, but have to agree that another round would have seemed too contrived and probably gotten old. It was definitely time for revolution, and I thought Suzanne Collins pulled it off remarkably well, wrapping up the loose ends without too much of a typical feel-good YA ending. I also love Katniss as a strong female character – (love for my girls to read about gutsy women), but one who faces phenomenal trauma and is realistically affected. All in all, even though it wasn’t my fave of the series, I still gave it 4 stars and would highly recommend it to adults, young and old!


message 118: by Jenna (new)

Jenna | 82 comments Finally finished this book yesterday, and I did like it, but I didn't LOVE it like the other 2. The beginning of the book was kinda slow due to all of the political stuff, and I guess I was used to the crazy action from the other 2 books.
I was really sad when Finnick and Prim died, and was disappointed when Finnick's death was kinda brushed aside. Oh well...that's war I guess. I also didn't like how the end of the war was told while Katniss was unconscious. I wish we could have been there first hand with the capture of Snow and the finalization of the war.
I know someone said it before,and I agree about thinking that one of the 3 main characters, Katniss, Peeta, and Gale were going to die. I was waiting for one of them to die. I was happy when none of them did though.
Overall, I liked the book...I like reading the discussion on it too. Very good discussion going on and many points I didn't even think about. Thanks for all the great thoughts!


message 119: by chucklesthescot (last edited Nov 06, 2010 04:50AM) (new)

chucklesthescot I'm writing my review for the 20.10 group read task
Mockingjay by Suzanne Collins

Katniss has to adapt to life in district 13 without Peeta,allowing herself to be groomed as the face of the revolution,struggling to find a way to communicate with Gale while harbouring her thirst for vengeance against Snow.

What I liked about this book and the series in general is the realism in the characters and plot. Katniss would have to be emotionally damaged by her experiences in both of the Hunger Games and I like that it was shown in book 3-irrational decisions, moodswings, fighting with everyone and not being able to accept her new position in a new restricted society. She can't talk to Gale as easily because he has feelings for her and she is trying to work out where Gale and Peeta fit into her complicated life. She lashes out at her mentor Haymitch, rebels against District 13's tight rules and makes a few powerful enemies along the way. I'd have found it unrealistic to expect her to be the same girl from the first two books with all the stress, trauma and guilt running through her.

So lets look at the characters. Katniss is damaged goods when book 3 starts and having serious doubts about some of the rebel decisions. She can't sort out her feelings for Gale and Peeta, she can't get through some days with the depression and she is still rebelling against the system. Morally she seems sure of what is wrong-trying to stop the mountain explosion killing everyone, trying to stop the District 2 survivors being shot-yet she shoots dead the civilian as they escape the tunnels and votes for sending the Capitol children into the Hunger Games. It seems shocking that she wants to inflict the arena on innocent children after all the years of that being done to her generation. Nice twist! It shows that however moral you are, vengeance for a lost loved one can cloud your judgement and mess with your moral compass. I loved the way Prim developed into a capable and strong young woman because of what she has seen happen to her family. Her development mirrors the way Katniss had to grow up fast when their father died and she became head of the family. Prim becomes the heart and strength of the family as Katniss starts to unravel and it was excellent character development. Circle of life anyone?!! I liked the fact that Prim died trying to save lives. This goes to show the life lesson that you just can't save someone you love from fate. Katniss destroys her own life saving Prim in book one but in the end fate will not be denied. In a war, you do lose what you love and I liked that Prim died failing to save the children, just as Katniss failed to save Prim and Rue. Gale's development was great-the devoted friend and protector who, when he gets involved in the war, becomes the complete soldier and wants to see all of the enemy destroyed at any cost. People who have lost everything to a regime like that are not looking for justice-they are looking for vengeance and I think that it was well written. The harder Gale is too demanding on making Katniss choose him over Peeta while Peeta is being tortured by their enemy and I could understand why Katniss felt she had more important things on her mind than her love life! In the circumstances, there could be no future for him and Katniss-she sees that the rebels will be repeating the same evil against District 2 that was visited on district 12 by Snow, and she can't be with someone who believes in that kind of bloodshed against civilians. Gale would also never be able to understand the horrors that she faced in the arena or understand that there are good people in the Capitol-not all of them are enemies who deserve to die. I did cry for Finnick as he did not deserve that kind of death but I liked the fact that the strong died while a few of the weaker survived, just as would happen in that situation. Just the luck of where you are in the formation or what part of the street you step in.

In the first two books it is made clear who the enemy is-Snow. Katniss is hell bent on destroying him and his regime but in book 3 we start to see that the 'good guys' are not all they seem. District 13 has even less freedom than District 12 had under Snow and punishing people for saving part of a meal for later seems harsh and un-necessary. The Prep team being tortured and imprisoned for being from the Capitol and stealing food is no different from Gale being whipped in book 2 for the same offence. Coin never forgives Katniss for getting the better of her and decides to have her killed in the war which perfectly mirrors Snow putting Katniss back in the arena for embarrassing the regime with the berries in book 1. Gale's plot to blow up the mountain and kill everyone inside is no different from Snow having District 12 bombed to kill civilians. The plot in District 13 to invent the double explosion bomb to kill or maim victims then lure in those who come to save them, is no different to the Hunger Games arena tricks. In both situations, children die including of course Prim. I liked the mirroring between the way the Snow regime committed these crimes and the rebels using the same methods to win the war. As happens in any war, it is the innocent who pay for these decisions and tactics, whichever side they are on.

So did Katniss make the right choice with who she chose to kill? Yes-as revenge for Prim and to stop another evil leader taking charge. I liked the irony of Snow dying laughing as he watches the rebel leader die. There is no real happy ending, which I love in this kind of story. Good people are dead, Katniss has lost Prim, Gale and Finnick and to a lesser degree her mother. She is left with the only two people who understand her fear for the future, who understand her recent actions and her pain from the past-the other equally damaged Hunger Games survivors Peeta and Haymitch. Perfect! It seems fitting that the 3 of them return to their ruined lives in District 12-the only place that they ever felt truly comfortable.

Great books!


ilovebakedgoods (Teresa) (ilovebakedgoods) | 31 comments Two words for me: disappointed and underwhelmed.


message 121: by Michelle (new)

Michelle Lour | 4 comments I enjoyed Mockingjay very much. I found the way she handled the closing of the series to be very realistic and Katniss' choice of Peeta showed her maturity and strength. I think those that didn't enjoy the last book were expecting it to be a little more fluffy, like other teen series and I respect the fact that Collins didn't do that.


message 122: by Ryan Mac (new)

Ryan Mac | 17 comments I agree with Teresa's comment above. Perhaps my expectations were too high but it just seemed like the Katniss character progression just didn't seem realistic. I realize that lots of things happened to her but I had a hard time caring what happened to her. I was more interested in Peeta. Prim's death was sad but not unexpected. Overall, it was a good series and I hope that Collins writes another series.


message 123: by Elizabeth (NC) (new)

Elizabeth (NC) | 184 comments Ryan Mac wrote: "I agree with Teresa's comment above. Perhaps my expectations were too high but it just seemed like the Katniss character progression just didn't seem realistic. I realize that lots of things happ..."

Collins has another series that is for slightly younger audiences. It starts with Gregor the Overlander. There are five total--I really enjoyed all of them. I read the first to my fifth grade class and they ate it up--most of the class ended reading all five by the end of the year and we often had a wait list for our class library versions. If you don't mind younger adult, I would highly recommend them.


message 124: by Lori (new)

Lori  (batchelorxyz) | 218 comments I don't usually read the books about children under 12, but I thoroughly enjoyed the Gregor series by Suzanne Collins.

I highly recommend it.


message 125: by Ryan Mac (new)

Ryan Mac | 17 comments Thanks for the recommendations!


message 126: by Kristina Simon (new)

Kristina Simon (kristinasimon) | 11214 comments Interesting... This is Collins' debut title, too... Think I need to go switch around books for Task 25.2 ;o). Thanks for the recommendations, Elizabeth NC and Lori BNPL, this one's definitely going on my TBR pile.


message 127: by Erin (new)

Erin The high school I worked at last year and the high school I currently work at both picked Hunger Games as their "One Book, One School" book. I read it and loved it, making it an optional book for one of my classes. I read Catching Fire and thought it was okay, but I offered that book as a choice for my students to read. Upon re-reading it, I really liked it.

I'm at that point with Mockingjay. I finished the book last night before I went to bed, and I wasn't sure if I rushed through the end because I had to know what happened or if the ending was rushed. After reading through so many posts, I can see that I'm not alone in this. I understand why Collins would make this decision, but I think Sarah put it well above - I would have loved to see a happier ending for her and Peeta!! I was on Team Peeta, but I guess I wished I could have seen them reunite in a different way.

I really got into some of the government stuff that Collins included. I liked learning about the vague details in the first book, and so I was interested in the political world that evolved. The inclusion of Finnick's story and the corruption of the government being revealed was cool (although like many others, I wish we knew more of his story!), and I loved how they kept taking over the Capitol's broadcasts. Imagine if real politicians were able to do that!!


message 128: by Usako (new)

Usako (bbmeltdown) | 1256 comments An adult friend of mine read the series, too. Like me, he was disappointed by the Third Book. And yet we BOTH highly recommend the entire series.

The choices and changes were realistic. The ending was what I wanted to feel like -- it's quite the way I feel sometimes with certain Asian stories/movies. Stories don't need the bow to tie up the pretty package and end things. This one is going to live on with that bittersweet pang of agony and a great sigh of relief. I simply had a girlish wish for an additional sweet Peeta-Katniss moment :P


message 129: by Jordan (new)

Jordan (jordieheartsbooks) | 8 comments I feel the way a lot of people here seem to feel. The first 2 books were solid and this one was rather disappointing. Perhaps Ms. Collins tried to fit too much into one installment. I think Katniss' PTSD was well done for the most part and yet at times I felt it was too much. She may have had issues dealing with things and such, but I don't think she would have suddenly gone from a strong decisive young woman into an indecisive, whiney teenager. I'm happy that Katniss and Peeta worked things out but I feel Katniss' extremem reluctance at having children was somewhat overwrought. The Hunger Games were her main reason for not wanting to have children and since they were, I presume, disbanded she would have had less reluctance to have a family with Peeta.


message 130: by Chris (new)

Chris | 30 comments I too was kinda disappointed with how Finnick turned out. I was hoping him and Annie would salvage some kind of life. I didn't like the third book very much; it was too much about the horrors of war and how it changes people. I can't believe Prim got killed, that seemed to be the worst death. Her life and just going on was enough of a character change to reflect the effects of war. And the old Katniss wouldn't have crumbled at her sister's death, she would have been pissed as hell and gone on a killing rampage.I was completely apalled when Katniss supported the idea of another Hunger Games. She of all people knows how brutal and unfair it was and I was disappointed in her character when she was all for hosting another one. And I don't buy her vote as being part of a master plan to kill Coin. I think she made a mistake and just realized what was going on later. Any other time in the books where Katniss is working on a 'master plan', she thinks about it in her head and we read it so I don't buy that one. I also hate how her ending with Peeta seemed like such a cop out. I was hoping Peeta would be the new president and Katniss would end up with Gale. She and Peeta always seemed to ahve an uneven relationship where he cared about her and she just took care of him out of pity while she and Gale were much more equal. I was also disappointed that she had kids after spending the first two books swearing against it. I guess her main reasoning was so that they wouldn't be forced into the Hunger Games and they're 'safe' now that its over but still. It seemed like another cop out for her character.

I would agree that Katniss is not a hero, she's just been forced to do what needs to be done for her and Prim's survival. That is all she has ever been. Even her reluctance to be the Mocking jay stems out of that. She wants things to be over and stop fighting but she is never given that choice. The few times she does fight are when she is allowed vengeance and to kill Snow. However, I would disagree on Gale being such a bad guy. After all, it's his dedication to rebelling that leads Katniss to it in the first place. If he wasn't so committed to the idea, I doubt Katniss would have complied.


message 131: by Jackie (new)

Jackie Hunter (jackiehunter) | 31 comments I finished this book a few days ago and like many of you have been mulling it over to see how I really feel about it. So here it goes..

I liked the book, but I didn't LOVE it like I did the first 2. I completely devoured THG and CF but took my time with this one, but I can't honestly say that I'm disappointed with Mockingjay because when I think about all the scenarios I can't really see it being any other way.

I think what made me not enjoy this one as much as the others was Katniss' (almost) complete lack of leadership. In THG and CF she was in charge and taking control through her acts of defiance (berries, shooting the force field). I feel that in Mockingjay she was more of a pawn than she ever had been and when she wasn't being dupped for other people's agendas she was too drugged out to do much of anything. I was hopeful when she took over after Bogg's death because she was taking charge again. However, after days of struggle and several deaths in her mission to reach Snow, she ends up unconscious while everything continues on around her--yet again.

I too was very upset over Finnick's death, I enjoyed his character development and by the end he was one of my favorite characters but I agree with other posters who have said this is Collins' way of demonstrating the senselessness of war.

As far as Team Peeta or Team Gale, I have never really had a preference although I am glad she ended up with Peeta. She and Gale are too much alike with their bitterness and anger and Peeta balances her out nicely. Also, he knows exactly what she went through in the Hunger Games and Gale could never fully understand. However, I still don't think she "chose" one over the other. I think Gale pretty much did it for her with his blind rage and being hell bent on bringing down the Capitol no matter who pays the price.

At first When Katniss voted to have another games I was shocked. I re-read her response over and over and thought to myself are you sure? Why would you do this after all you had been through? I thought for certain her answer would be no, but ultimately I decided that she had voted yes because the only other option was to kill all the people from the Capitol (including innocent citizens like the ones Prim was trying to save) and this way they would more or less be getting rid of the spawn of the evil doers. I don't believe that this decision was part of a plan to kill Coin; she still hadn't made up her mind on whether or not Snow was telling the truth. Her decision to kill Coin didn't happen until she was standing in front of Snow then she acted on impulse, as she so often does throughout the series.

As far as the ending, I wish we had more details and more of an insight into Peeta and Katniss growing back together. I guess I was searching for more "aww" moments between the two like THG and CF had. Her mother not coming back to 12 with her didn't totally surprise me but it still ticked me off. Yes you've lost your husband and a daughter and it's a lot to deal with but why not lean on your other daughter for support instead of pushing her away and making her deal with it on her own. Shame on you.

Overall, Mockingjay wasn't nearly as thrilling or entertaining as the first 2 but it tied up all the lose ends, was realistic and I can't imagine it being any other way. I would highly recommend the series to anyone.


message 132: by Jackie (new)

Jackie Hunter (jackiehunter) | 31 comments One more thing, anyone else wonder why Peeta wasn't allowed to leave the Capitol for several months?


message 133: by Jennifer (new)

Jennifer | 98 comments I wondered at that, but I just attributed it to his sudden rages. Since the rebels gained control I just assumed that they wanted to heal him before sending him out on his own or allowing him to be near Katniss and Haymitch again.


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Megan Anderson (ms_anderson) | 1464 comments Jennifer wrote: "I wondered at that, but I just attributed it to his sudden rages. Since the rebels gained control I just assumed that they wanted to heal him before sending him out on his own or allowing him to be..."

Or maybe they were trying to get him to spy on Katniss to see if she'd do anything crazy, like start another rebellion or not recover from her PTSD or something, and they wouldn't let him go until he either agreed or they gave up (depending on who had the stronger will). Man, wouldn't that make for a terrible secret to discover: the man who you finally found yourself capable of loving and bearing children with was secretly reporting your every move back to the government?

...Not that I necessarily believe this. But it would be an interesting turn, wouldn't it?


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Jennifer | 98 comments Ms Anderson wrote: "Jennifer wrote: "I wondered at that, but I just attributed it to his sudden rages. Since the rebels gained control I just assumed that they wanted to heal him before sending him out on his own or a..."

That is evil! I reject this b/c I cannot handle the thought. I want to imagine Peeta like he was in HG and CF, in love with her, not w/ some agenda.


message 136: by Megan (new)

Megan Anderson (ms_anderson) | 1464 comments Jennifer wrote: "Ms Anderson wrote: "Jennifer wrote: "I wondered at that, but I just attributed it to his sudden rages. Since the rebels gained control I just assumed that they wanted to heal him before sending him..."

Not necessarily him with an agenda, though. Like, what if the only condition of him being able to ever return/leave the Capitol was if he agreed? So his options were help them and be with her, or refuse and be kept prisoner forever? I'd like to think the new government is less awful than the other options, but everyone is a product of their environments, and I think a lot of the former Capitol residents would be hard-pressed to change their ways immediately. Same with the people from District 13.

I know it would be completely evil and horrible and everything. However, given the situation, I can see it being a possibility.


message 137: by Jennifer (new)

Jennifer | 98 comments Nope, I still refuse to accept it! It was bad enough that he was conditioned to kill her, I absolutely will not believe that spying was part of his release. It would be too painful to believe!


message 138: by Karen (new)

Karen | 39 comments I read all three of these books in a row very quickly, so I'm not sure I gave Mockingjay a fair chance. My attention span is pretty short, so I was kind of ready for something different by the time I got to Mockingjay.
I am glad the author didn't follow the same formula as the first two(life in district 12, selection for games, prep time at capitol and then the arena) - the third book was somewhat original in that aspect. I feel like Mockingjay was pretty original, but there were times it was completely rushed. I didn't like how every time something major happened.....we didn't get to really know about it because Katniss was knocked out and suddenly she's in the hospital. I was surprised Peeta, Katniss & Gale all survived. I will not forgive the author for killing off Finnick!!! I loved Finick! However, Prim's death really didn't bother me at all. Maybe because Prim's character was never really developed. After I read that Prim died - I honestly thought to myself "Then this whole thing has been pointless. Prim should have just gone into the arena from the start and none of this junk would have happened!" Of course I don't really feel that way - I am glad it didn't have a happily ever after ending. I would have complained about that too! I enjoyed the entire series, but I do feel major events were rushed at the end. I wanted Katniss to end up with Peeta, but I don't understand what made Gale just leave the picture and hang out in District 2 or wherever he went. I needed some closure there! Ok - I gave Mockingjay 4 out of 5 stars, and I'm glad I read it!


message 139: by Jackie (new)

Jackie Hunter (jackiehunter) | 31 comments I felt the same way about Prim. The only thing we really knew about her was that she was young and cared a lot for others.


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Brenda G | 65 comments I loved all three. I definitely agree that Mockingjay had a very different feel than the first two. The games were over (or so we thought) and Katniss had changed (to be expected). I thought the whole premise of Mockingjay was to have us look at war in a different way and then apply it to the "real world". I think there was a sentiment that we need to constantly learn about and from the past. It seemed there was some parallel being drawn between the Holocaust and the Hunger Games. The book that Katniss wrote was to be a reminder for future generations what people are capable of. Mockingjay may be a little too intense for teens and it might be difficult for kids to get past the surface. However, it seems that there are often themes in YA books that are geared for the adult reader.

Loved it and I keep recommending it.


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Rachel (randhrshipper1) | 66 comments I finished both Catching Fire and Mockingjay for tasks in this season, so I had a LOT of Hunger Games recently, and I have to say, I love the whole series!

I have to admit to being a bit unpleasantly surprised by another Games in Catching Fire--there were senior citizens in that one for God's sake!--so I didn't miss them here. Yes, that was the conceit of the AMAZING first book in the series, but I think I was ready for the Rebellion to take center stage. That still gives action but not the kind contrived by outside forces so much. I also think Collins did well in deepening the creepiness of the Capital itself. I love Katniss as a character because she's not always likeable but she is always interesting. (As an aspiring actress, WHAT A ROLE TO PLAY!!) I was also ALWAYS Team Peeta, so I was more than happy with the ending--additional moments with the two of them would have just been icing! An outstanding series, of which I can't wait to see film versions!


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Danna I hated this book! I mean, let alone the series - the book was bad even as an open stand alone. I am very dissapointed with the book. I expected an amazing end to a great trilogy, and got... something unpleasent. It was really just okay, it could have been better.
The first two parts of the book were extremly boring and I remember just flipping through them, reading in a great anticipation for the end. Only the last part was nice.
So, in fact, the beginning was bad, and I relaized that the end would be probably bad as well. And so it was, seriously awful and sadly boring. I mean, God! I literlly yawned! yawned! It never happened to me, so I guss this must have set a record! Now, you know me, I am not the kind of reader who would read an amazing trilogy I have really liked - and rate every book 5 stars. Well, I am not like that, I give a true rating from the heart. I am very disappointed, but there was nothing extraordinary about it or any big, big surprises.
It appears that Collins only wanted to finish the trilogy one way or another, knowing that whatever she'll write - will be read eagerly by all of her huge fans. Well, she can't let us down like that! She can't do this, and kill her fame in a second.
It felt like a huge blur to me, and I could not not notice that Katniss really turned from what heros are made of into a pathetic girl who is intrested in her fame - desptite the fact that she seriously tries to present herself as the turtored unwanted hero. And so, as much as she tries to hide it with beautiful words and heratbreaking memories. She is fake now, as much as it all sounds real. It sounds real because we want it to be real, when it really isn't. The great hero is completely dead. And that stupid love triangle Peeta-Katniss-Gale - come on!


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