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message 1: by Joyce, Group Creator (last edited Aug 21, 2010 08:18PM) (new)

Joyce | 592 comments Mod
Hi Everyone!

There has been some discussion on whether language should disqualify a book as a "clean romance" for our bookshelf. I would remind everyone that this is the Clean ROMANCE group, not the Clean LANGUAGE group. Everyone has different tolerance levels when it comes to language, and if we start policing language along with the romance, we will soon have very few books on our group bookshelf. (We WILL continue to police the romance, though!)

That being said, I understand and sympathize with the diversity of sensitivities in this group. I, personally, would not continue to read a book that contained F--- or SH-- in it. For others, however, their eyes glide over these words the way mine have learned to glide over D---. I wish there were a way to rate books on the group bookshelf itself, but there isn't. Since I, along with others, appreciate language warnings along with other warnings, though, I decided to open this thread. To try to keep it orderly for those who want to check for such things, this is what I suggest:

When you read a book (or if you've already read one and know the answer), check for the shelf that it's on on our Group Bookshelf. Then open a thread with that title (Regency, Historical, Contemporary, etc), unless someone has already opened a thread on that topic--ALWAYS CHECK BEFORE YOU ADD A NEW THREAD TO BE SURE YOU'RE NOT STARTING A DUPLICATION, PLEASE--then list the title and author of the book that concerns you (you can use a link if you want to), followed by the following code:

G (for taking the Lord's name in vain, if that's a concern of yours)
D
GD (combination of the above two)
J (another form of the Lord's name)
B (both the male and female version, though I've read that technically these aren't really swear words, but some might find them offensive)
A
F
SH
H (this one can be tricky, because sometimes the characters are using it as an actual "place", like mine do when they use it, but I'll leave it to your discretion if you want to add it to your own rating or not)

If you can think of any other "rating" initials I should add, let me know. (If you can do it with an initial rather than the word, I'd appreciate it!)

I'll begin a Regency thread to demonstrate the idea I have in mind.

I'm sorry that we can't list books alphabetically by title or author to make them easier to find in the threads, but Goodreads threads don't possess that capability. (And I don't have the time to gather up everyone's titles and organize them myself.)

So we'll do our best here. If language isn't a concern of yours, of course, you don't need to visit this thread. If it is, I hope this will be in some degree helpful to our group members. (Including myself!)

PLEASE BE AWARE THAT THESE LISTS WILL IN NO WAY BE COMPLETELY COMPREHENSIVE OF THE BOOKS ON OUR SHELVES. This folder is offered as a help only, and will be a useful as the members of this group choose to make it.

As always, thank you, one and all, for your support of our Goodreads Clean Romances Group!


message 2: by Jaimey, Co-Mod (last edited Aug 21, 2010 08:32AM) (new)

Jaimey (jaimeygrant) | 409 comments Mod
Perhaps including GD (a combo of the first two you listed) since I have heard some members mention that that particular word is a "stop read" for them.

Also, you forgot H...and A. Or should they just be rolled up into D?


message 3: by Teryn (new)

Teryn | 84 comments I stop reading when the son of God's name is used as a expletive. Thank you for this!!


message 4: by Joyce, Group Creator (new)

Joyce | 592 comments Mod
Jaimey wrote: "Perhaps including GD (a combo of the first two you listed) since I have heard some members mention that that particular word is a "stop read" for them.

Also, you forgot H...and A. Or should they j..."


Okay, I admit, I'm drawing a blank at "A". Maybe you'd better message it to me privately. :-}


message 5: by Joyce, Group Creator (new)

Joyce | 592 comments Mod
Teryn wrote: "I stop reading when the son of God's name is used as a expletive. Thank you for this!!"

You're welcome, Teryn. :-)


message 6: by Joyce, Group Creator (new)

Joyce | 592 comments Mod
Just a reminder: If you find a book on our shelf where the romance is clean, but you are offended by the language, please don't attack the author. Simply post the title here, using the above code to express your concerns. That way readers can decide for themselves whether they want to still read a specific book or not.

Thank you!


message 7: by Jaimey, Co-Mod (new)

Jaimey (jaimeygrant) | 409 comments Mod
Joyce, I don't think this is as big a deal as we've been led to believe. :o/


message 8: by Joyce, Group Creator (new)

Joyce | 592 comments Mod
Jaimey wrote: "Joyce, I don't think this is as big a deal as we've been led to believe. :o/"

Apparently not. :~p But the option is here, if anyone wants to use it.


message 9: by Carrie (new)

Carrie (cmdfamily) | 8 comments I appreciate this thread! I want to know what I'm getting into before I get into it! I can handle mild language, but that's about it. I understand the purpose of this group is to police the love scenes, but having a heads-up on some of the language would be great!


message 10: by Joyce, Group Creator (new)

Joyce | 592 comments Mod
I agree, Carrie! But this thread will only be as helpful as readers want to make it. So please, if you read any clean romances with language that bothers you, list it with the code above here on this thread for the help of future readers!


message 11: by Carrie (new)

Carrie (cmdfamily) | 8 comments Will do!


message 12: by Jean (new)

Jean (jeanjay) | 38 comments I prefer not to police anything. I like leaving the nasty stuff to someone else. I see this group as people who recommend books they like, sweet romances (or clean, if you will) to each other without trashing anything or any one. A positive attitude makes this a delightful group. I'm happy to be a member.


message 13: by Joyce, Group Creator (new)

Joyce | 592 comments Mod
Jean, We're not policing anything (except the sex). We won't exclude books because of language. But language is also a concern to some readers, so we're just providing a forum to "flag" books for specific language if a reader wants to. It's certainly not a requirement, and as you can see, no one has actually flagged anything here yet. But again, if someone does, we won't remove the book from our shelf and we won't bash it. A reader can simply state her "rating" and let it go at that. I agree that we want to keep this a positive group!


message 14: by Jean (new)

Jean (jeanjay) | 38 comments Thanks, Joyce. I have seen too much author bashing lately on the Net and I wonder why people do that. It's scary for an author to be out there, their livelihood and creative products vulnerable to the whims of anyone and everyone.


message 15: by Joyce, Group Creator (new)

Joyce | 592 comments Mod
Jean wrote: "Thanks, Joyce. I have seen too much author bashing lately on the Net and I wonder why people do that. It's scary for an author to be out there, their livelihood and creative products vulnerable to ..."

Yeah, I've had my share of being bashed as an author, so I don't want to go there with anyone else.


message 16: by Debra (new)

Debra Brown (debrabrown) | 78 comments How about initials for clean language? That might be nice to know, too.


message 17: by Jean (new)

Jean (jeanjay) | 38 comments Any "sweet" romance will have clean language, too.


message 18: by Joyce, Group Creator (last edited Jul 18, 2011 12:46PM) (new)

Joyce | 592 comments Mod
Members are free to post any information about language for any book they'd like in this thread, but this GROUP isn't about monitoring language, only the romance. So if you'd like to use our rating method, please do, but please don't go beyond that to bash any authors who's language tolerance levels may be different than your own.

Thank you!


message 19: by [deleted user] (new)

Teryn wrote: "I stop reading when the son of God's name is used as a expletive. Thank you for this!!"

I also do not like it but sometimes try to overlook it. Today I had a bad shock due to a werewolf book I tried to read. No one here will want to even consider it. It was a new low IMO.


message 20: by Jean (new)

Jean (jeanjay) | 38 comments I'm happy to say my clean sequel to Sunny Days, Moonlit Nights is called April's Kiss in the Moonlight and it was picked up by Astraea Press. It will be published in October. No bad language in either book.


message 21: by Anna (new)

Anna (SylviaGrant) | 18 comments I have an idea I would like to share with you, my favorite website besides Goodreads is Common Sense Media but the trouble with the books these days is that they aren't rated the way movies and I was thinking could we make a rating type thing? You know, G, PG, PG-13 and R.


message 22: by Jean (new)

Jean (jeanjay) | 38 comments You might have to add "X" to that rating system if any erotic romances creep into the discussion! LOL.


message 23: by Ruth (new)

Ruth Hartman (ruthjhartman) | 19 comments That's one thing I love about this group. When you read a book from here, you know you won't be blindsided with a bunch of stuff you didn't want or ask for. :)


message 24: by [deleted user] (new)

Two questions for this thread: is it "clean" if you know they are "doing it," but it's not explicit (like when old movies used to fade to black)? ; are readers following this thread okay with a rejection of hypocritical Christianity? If the answer is "yes" to both, I'll suggest my wife's paranormal romance novel, The Ballad of Young Tam Lin by Patricia A. Leslie . It's clearly about love and romance, not sex, and the only direct reference to sexual acts is the use of such terms as "whoring" by the female protagonist's father when he finds out she's pregnant (she's unmarried). Take a free look on Kindle ("Look Inside"). Also register to win a free copy on Goodreads.


message 25: by Jean (new)

Jean (jeanjay) | 38 comments Have you read Kay Springsteen's books? They are amazing stories, heartfelt, emotional and beautifully written. Not a swear word or sex scene in any of them. Heartsight and Operation: Christmas Hearts were my first two. Reading Lifeline Echoes now. Loving it!!


message 26: by Esther (new)

Esther | 7 comments I prefer clean and when I am reading or writing, I try to keep the language clean. I have to say, though, sometimes a curse word just FITS the story. I consider those to be "Rhett Butler" moments.


message 27: by C. (new)

C. | 289 comments Esther wrote: "I prefer clean and when I am reading or writing, I try to keep the language clean. I have to say, though, sometimes a curse word just FITS the story. I consider those to be "Rhett Butler" moments."

I don't mind an occasional curse/swear like that at all,and agree,"sometimes it just FITS the story".


message 28: by Groovy (last edited Dec 22, 2014 12:21PM) (new)

Groovy Lee I agree, I love this group and also the positive attitudes here. I used to be a part of groups years ago, but it was like Nazi Germany. You really had no freedom, and there was a lot of bashing going on. GoodReads' forum groups are a breath of fresh air.

Anyway, the only swear words I can tolerate are D and H, and that's because they are used in the bible to describe punishment. Anything else, and I close the book. As a writer, I will use one of them only once if, like is mentioned above, it fits the story. It just degrades everything when you have to use the F, S, B words constantly in anything.

I do have a question for anyone here: Is it still a clean romance if the characters are married, and as mentioned above, it's not explicit? That's how I write my romances. Only my married characters make love, not have sex, once in the storylines. But there is passionate kissing. I know some readers like that, some don't. The entire content of my books is about finding and experiencing true love from the heart, not below it. So, would that still be viewed as a clean romance?

The reason I'm asking is, I won't post my new releases on this forum if they would not be considered clean.

thanks everyone!


message 29: by Leona (new)

Leona (flowerfull) I would view it as a clean romance, described as you did.


message 30: by Lynne (new)

Lynne Stringer | 170 comments From what I'm aware on this forum it's a scene that would get a PG rating in a movie. So passionate kissing isn't a problem. That's what I do in my books, and stop there. I like reading a good passionate kissing scene but I get uncomfortable if it goes too much further.


message 31: by Groovy (last edited Dec 24, 2014 08:49PM) (new)

Groovy Lee Thank you Leona and Lynne!

Like you, I like a good passionate kissing scene. I don't mind if the married couple makes love, but not in a graphic, erotic way. It is my hope that I write those scenes in a classy way that would not offend. And yet, I wholeheartedly understand that some readers are uncomfortable with that, even if they are married.

Also, since this post is about foul language, I think it would be nice if we could get rid of them altogether.


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