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Um I am going to go for the latter, what do the acronyms mean? : S
Suzanne wrote: "Um I am going to go for the latter, what do the acronyms mean? : S"There is a good summary here:
http://www.personalitypathways.com/ty...
Introvert/Extrovert
Sensing/iNtuitive
Thinking/Feeling
Judging/Perceiving
I test as an ISTP most of the time. Sometimes as an INTP.
Here is the funny version- page down for a more serious summary:
http://www.wanderings.net/notebook/Ma...
That was very interetsing I was a ISTJ!I haven't read those books in a while, but from what I remember I would agree with you.
I/ESTP- Jack Devlin (from Suddenly You)- I couldn't figure whether I though of him as more extrovert on inrovert as he seems to have both characteristics.
Suzanne wrote: "That was very interetsing I was a ISTJ!I haven't read those books in a while, but from what I remember I would agree with you.
I/ESTP- Jack Devlin (from Suddenly You)- I couldn't figure whe..."
Yes- Jack was definitely a risk taker which tends to put people in P not J and I agree S and T. Now on the E v I- I think probably an E. I don't think an I would have got quite so far on the first meeting (probably the second meeting though!). Also he threw that huge party at Christmas which sounds like an E and the company he runs is thronged with people and he showed lots of warm people skills at school. Actually I wonder if he is a T or an F?
I think you could be right about the E, it is just the way he keeps people at a distance that struck me as being an I characteristic. I would say he was a calculating person, the way he steals authors and has plans to buy all the papers was ery logical. Also it says something about going with general consensus under F and I don't think he is like that at all!
Here are some Hathaways:Kev: ISTJ?
Harry: ENTP?
Leo: ESTP? (hedonist so this would work!)
How about our Wallflowers:
Annabelle: ESTJ
Simon: ENTP
Evie: INFP
Sebastian: ESFP
Daisy: INTP
Lillian: ESFJ
Mshj wrote: "OK, I don't know if anyone else will want to play on this one but if you have ever looked at your MBTI type which types do you think some of the Kleypas heroes and heroines are? I suspect a lot of..."Believe it or not, I actually know precisely what you're talking about, Mshj.;-) Psychology, particularly personality typing is a hobby of mine. Yeah, I know, weird hobby, but I'm a geek so what can say. LOL! It's cool that you're into the personality typing. I don't run across anyone else who's truly interested in it very often.
Anyway, I'm pretty good at figuring out the personality types of real people, especially those I know personally, but I don't often try to figure out fictional characters. I'd probably have to think about it in depth while I'm reading the book, otherwise, I might get the character vibes mixed up with the ones I'm currently reading. It might be fun though. I'll have to review the personality types and try to figure some out, although the only LK book I've read recently is Secrets of a Summer Night. Maybe, when I get some spare time, I'll see if I agree with your assessment of Simon and Annabelle.:-)
Not to surprisingly, I'm actually more likely to spot personality types that are the same as mine or my husband's, but both of ours is so rare, I hardly ever run across real people, much less fictional ones, with the same personality. I'm an INFJ and hubby is an INTJ.
Julie (Mom2lnb) wrote: "Mshj wrote: "OK, I don't know if anyone else will want to play on this one but if you have ever looked at your MBTI type which types do you think some of the Kleypas heroes and heroines are? I sus..."My husband is also INTJ. That's why I know how tough life with a J type can be for some of us P people! I tend not to find J types in books that appealing as I am surrounded by them at home and work. Sir Ross and Marcus Westcliff spring to mind. Wow- I just checked and you are a rare species- 1% of the population is INFJ.
Still mulling on Nick and Lottie. Maybe Lottie is ESFP and Nick is ISTP or ESTP. They are quite close personality types I think and they must both be SPs for their physical agility and risk taking.
That's cool that your hubby is the same type as mine. Yeah, my type is pretty much the rarest of the rare.;-) Although depending on which sources you use for frequency estimates of personality types, sometimes INFJ and INTJ are virtually tied for the rarest type. In real life, I only know one person who I believe is an INFJ and another who says he has sometimes tested INFP and other times INFJ, but I think he leans P.I know what you mean about J's and P's having a hard time with each other. My kiddos are both P's and they can drive my hubby and me crazy sometimes. I'm sure the reverse is true too.;-) I think the same can be said of N's and S's too especially SJ's. I'm pretty sure my MIL is an ISFJ and although I've learned to get along with her and love her to pieces, we often don't see eye to on things and her mind can never be changed once it's made up. LOL.
It's been so long since I've read Worth Any Price, I would need to do a re-read to type Nick and Lottie. I did love both of them though. You may be right about them being SP's. INFJ's are SP wannabes, so we understand those types quite well.
I've been reading It Happened One Autumn. I remembered this thread and started paying closer attention last night to the character's personalities. After pondering it for a while, I decided that Marcus is an INTJ, so we kind of agree on that, Mshj (I see you had ISTJ as a possibility too).The characteristics that made me think INTJ:
*He's a master strategist in business.
*He doesn't wear his heart on his sleeve, but when his emotions get going, he can be very passionate and say some lovely things.
*He isn't truly arrogant so much as he has a self-confidence born of his ability to analyze complex situations clearly.
*He's very decisive.
*He's a perfectionist.
*He's extremely loyal.
*He's communicates in a very reasoned and direct manner.
*He's very private.
I could probably come up with more, but I'll stop there.:-)
As to Lillian, I'm not nearly as certain, but I think you may be right about her being ESFJ. She definitely has some of the characteristics, and according to my research, is considered the perfect match for an INTJ.:-)
Julie (Mom2lnb) wrote: "I've been reading It Happened One Autumn. I remembered this thread and started paying closer attention last night to the character's personalities. After pondering it for a while, I decided that Ma..."Excellent analysis Julie!
Well that explains why I find him so irritating!- I find my husband irritating too!!
I'm not sure about the master strategist bit though- I thought that INTJs tended to be details people who can lose sight of the big picture. He was also pretty good at sports and a real outdoors man compared to some INTJs.
I'd love to know your thoughts on the rest of the wallflowers. I enjoyed IHOA but it wasn't my favourite of the series.
I am an INFJ. That seems a little odd to me, as I scored mostly "feeling" type answers on everthing except the last. But the "action orientation" was spot on for me.
Mshj wrote: "Julie (Mom2lnb) wrote: "Mshj wrote: "OK, I don't know if anyone else will want to play on this one but if you have ever looked at your MBTI type which types do you think some of the Kleypas heroes ..."Went back and read this. I feel so speacial now!! LOL! Yay me! :)
Mshj wrote: "Excellent analysis Julie!Well that explains why I find him so irritating!- I find my husband irritating too!!
I'm not sure about the master strategist bit though- ..."
Thanks, Mshj. LOL! I actually adored Marcus, probably because he's like my hubby. Don't get me wrong, my husband is far from perfect, but we seem to be a great fit, most likely due to our look-a-like personalities.
Actually in my experience, INTJs are great strategists. I know my hubby is. He always seems to be thinking several steps ahead. I was reading a description on one website that characterized them as looking at the world like a big chess board, and another that said they have a tendency to skip the details. I'm not so sure that they loose sight of the big picture. It's just that they can analyze their way through complex situations to a streamlined conclusion without getting bogged down with the details. I'm just the opposite, needing to go through everything step by step and when my hubby won't go through it with me, it can be rather aggravating. I admit that, in the end, he's usually right though (and of course, he knows it;-)), hence the misguided notion that INTJs are arrogant.
I'll try to remember to pay attention as I read the rest of the Wallflowers, so I can check back in with my opinions.:-)
Mandy wrote: "I am an INFJ. That seems a little odd to me, as I scored mostly "feeling" type answers on everthing except the last. But the "action orientation" was spot on for me."
Yay! A fellow INFJ. Yes, we are a rare and special breed.;-)
Well, I finished Devil in Winter, and here's my personality assessment of Sebastian and Evie:Sebastian = ESTP
*He's a smooth-talker who can persuade people to do almost anything.
*He's a risk-taker.
Quotes from personality websites that seem to fit him:
"...straightforward attitude that calls on people to make things happen quickly."
"...enjoys crises and likes to dive right in and skillfully negotiate through them."
"Sincere feeling is tertiary and thus relatively simplistic in this type."
"Admission of weakness feels like failure"
Evie = INFJ
I admit this assessment partially comes from my ability to relate to her really well which makes me think that she is the same personality type as me. I did think about INFP as a possibility, but she seems to be a bit more on the practical side and lacking that whimsical dreamer quality that is more prominent in INFPs.
Doing this assessment was even more interesting that usual. I was having a very strong negative reaction to Sebastian (I know not the norm here), but by fleshing out his personality, I think I understood part of the reason. Mine and his would be directly conflicting personalities, which is probably also why I wasn't overly fond of the book as a whole. Knowing that Evie is so much like me, made be very skeptical that they could have a true and lasting HEA.
Julie (Mom2lnb) wrote: "Well, I finished Devil in Winter, and here's my personality assessment of Sebastian and Evie:Sebastian = ESTP
*He's a smooth-talker who can persuade people to do almost anything.
*He's a risk-tak..."
I struggled to see the HEA too and Sebastian I find very difficult to like- he seems so self absorbed/selfish. The only way I understand his relationship with Evie is that he is seeing her as an extension of himself and he had become absorbed with that new unit.
I could easily see Sebastian as an ESTP- he is a total hedonist and actually ESTP and ISTP are quite common character types in books as they tend to be doers and risk takers which makes for a lively plot. Speaking as an ISTP the E/I DOES make quite a big difference! I can't remember why I put him as F instead of T right now.
As for Evie- this isn't a type I know too well. I would understand J over P- I was just trying to understand her reasoning for visiting Sebastian in the first place I think. Maybe she acted out of character because she was so desperate.
Mshj, I think you're only the second person I've seen who didn't care for Sebastian. I agree that he was just too selfish (among other things) for me to truly like him. Your way of looking at their relationship is very interesting and probably the only thing that would make sense to me too. He just always seemed to cold and callous, lacking a sincerity of emotion for me to really believe he loved her, but viewing her as an extension of himself would mean that he in turn was loving himself which would make some sense.;-)As to Evie, that's why I considered the P for her too, but I think I agree that she may have just acted out of desperation. Although I've never done anything quite as drastic as that, I have done a few things that were out of character for my personality and more "P-ish" when pushed into dire straits.
OK- if I can't have Sebastian as ESFP (and on reflection I do think that Julie is right) I think I'm going to put Lily (Dreaming of You) as ESFP. She MUST fit the definition!
Haven't read Lily's book yet (although I think you meant Then Came You), but she just might be. I'll let you know what I think when I get to it.;-)
I've nearly finished Scandal in Spring, and think I have a pretty good grasp on the characters personalties.I'm almost positive that Daisy is INFP. She has a whimsical dreamer quality, never having lost her wonder of the world around her. She loves her books and going on imaginary adventures. She adores all creatures great and small and sees the good in everyone, even her frustrating father. She's a creative, smart idealist who wants her life to have meaning and value.
At first, Matthew was a bit more of a challenge, mainly because he and Marcus are so similar. They share a lot of characteristics such as being extremely responsible and dependable, masterful in business, very logical minded, etc., but at the same time they have very subtle differences. It was reading them interacting with one another and side-by-side that made me finally come to the conclusion that I had mistyped Marcus, who I now believe to be an ENTJ. Matthew, I think, is the INTJ. In studying up on the two types I found out that they are very similar, having the same four basic functions, just with each pair reversed, so it would be easy to mistake one for the other. Marcus, however, is more prone to giving orders and running the show front-and-center which would be more the mark of an extrovert, while Matthew is more a behind-the-scenes kind of guy, equally masterful and intelligent, but more of a buffer and support person. My personality type gets along quite well with both of their types, so that would probably explain why I'm going ga-ga over both heroes, and the two of them together in the same book has me on cloud nine. LOL!;-)
Don't you think Matthew might be an INTP? I odn't remember the book too well but I wonder if he is more of a P than a J. I had actually typed Daisy as ONTP though.....the question for me is does she analyse her actions or act on feelings. I got the impression she thought things through. On Marcus- my boss is probably an ENTJ- control freak would definitely cover it! I wish I could remember why I had Marcus as an I as he is constantly entertaining.
I'm pretty sure my son is INTP, and he and Daisy are almost nothing alike. I'd definitely say she's more of a feeler than a thinker. I thought this page described her to tee: http://www.mypersonality.info/persona...As for Matthew possibly being INTP, the logical side is certainly there, but I felt like he was too controlled in his actions to be a P.
I always felt something nagging in the back of my brain after typing Marcus. I should have thought of him always having those house parties too.:-) He enjoys being around people too much to be a I. I think it was his similarities to my husband that made me mistype him.
Oh My! i just did mine LOl.. INTJ! the saddest part is the compatibility " u have none, you make ur own friends" ha! now im seriously thinking...i need to run one quicky for cam.. he`s the one im after.. :P
Ok Cam is ISFP! in my choices.. seems fairly accurate from the first page description. the second page a crackpot?? LOL
Atumn wrote: "Oh My! i just did mine LOl.. INTJ! the saddest part is the compatibility " u have none, you make ur own friends" ha! now im seriously thinking...i need to run one quicky for cam.. he`s the one im..."
My brother is an INTJ and both the partners that I've lived with are so you are in good company.
As for Cam SP for sure (many characters in books and films are SP as they are at the more sporty/action end of the scale). I had him pegged at ESFP though but on a quick comparison of the two you could well be right.
Julie may have some thoughts on this if she has read MTM. Cam is very "liveable with" isn't he!
oh Mshj! really?? oh ok, i feel much better!! that description made feel like a loner LOL! and Cam.. ahh cam!! he is just cam!!!! who on earth will not like him!!!! hes so my guy!! LOL :P
I haven't read MTM yet, so I'm not sure about Cam. All I've seen of him was his secondary role in DIW. Making a preliminary analysis off of that I'd say he's a probably ISFP. The main reason I'm not going with the E is that he didn't strike me as someone who craved being in the spotlight which is one of the main characteristics of an ESFP. But I'll save my final analysis until I've read his book and gotten a better feel for him as a character.:-)
ahh Julie!! i hope u get to love him as much as i do!! LOL i made the test for him and yeah, it came up as an ISFP! :) just for me!! ;P
Well, what I saw of Cam in DIW, I liked, so we shall see.;-)
I can't decide what Christopher from Love in the Afternoon would be because he changes quite a bit. Any ideas?
Linds wrote: "I can't decide what Christopher from Love in the Afternoon would be because he changes quite a bit. Any ideas?"I have to say he didn't make much of an impression on me. People do change (particularly under stress) so I would suggest using the person he is later in the book.
My take on the basic test is really- more Extrovert or Introvert
more living in the moment S or plaNning for the future
actions more based on Feelings or analytical Thinking
and more Judgemental (living life in an orderly way) or Perceiving (more likely to break the rules!)
I'll kick off with a few of my favourites:
Cam Rohan ESFP
Marcus Westcliffe ISTJ/INTJ
Nick Gentry ISTP
Derek ESFP
Right- you can either tell me how wrong you think I am or ask what the hell MBTI is!