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lol, well if you ever have spare time, and nothing else in the world to read, i encourage that you guys may read the Book of Mormon. It may be the answer to some things that we can't explain.
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no, it's fine. You didn't sound mean at all.
I've read a bit of the Book of Mormon, but it goes against what I believe. Sorry if I offend anyone.
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I go back and forth.I think that we need to appreciate nature and life a lot more, I also believe that there are beings superior to us, but I'm not sure if it's God, or aliens, or multiple gods, or if it's just science. I just know what makes me feel good and try to do that as much as possible.
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One reason why I wouldn't read the Book of Mormon is because..well...I'm not Mormon. I'm Jewish. So..yeah.
But maybe we should have a compromise...I'll try to read the Book of Mormon if a non-global warming believer watches An Inconvenient Truth.
I've never read the book of Mormon. I just don't believe in Global Warming or the Theory of Evolution. Technically speaking evolution should be referred to as "The Theory of Evolution" as it has not been scientifically proven.
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but it HAS been scientifically proven. many times. that's what makes it a theory. but not enough times to be considered a law.
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Proven how? I've never heard of any proof that should entitle it as a law.
They did some science experiments. And it proved it.
Wow... Go away for a weekend and miss a whole debate on evolution and global warming...How exactly did this get brought up in "Point of View"?
cuz i guess it's our pov on the world???
*rereads topic*Ah. Talking about some book I've never read. I see.
If I may interject my two cents on the global warming thing... Yes, it is true that the Earth goes through heating and cooling stages. But the warming of the Earth is increasing far too rapidly to only be a natural occurence. And it is not just a coincidence that the temperature began increasing rapidly when the amount of carbon dioxide in our atmosphere began increasing as well.
(YaY for AP Environmental Science!)
Well, you guys can believe whatever you want. I won't hold it against you. I--personally--believe that Global Warming and evolution do not exist.
"D there's one guy that goes around to different cities/countries talking to people saying that Global Warming Exists, and different things to prove it.
Well if the air is being polluted and such, one of the factors he says is of Global Warming, then why does he travel around in a Private Jet everywhere he goes which puts out more pollution into the air than any car will produce in a century?
Well if the air is being polluted and such, one of the factors he says is of Global Warming, then why does he travel around in a Private Jet everywhere he goes which puts out more pollution into the air than any car will produce in a century?
Because Al Gore can do whatever he wants (?)
And an idiot at that, if he wants to prevent global warming.
Just because a guy doesn't ditch his private jet isn't a reason why global warming doesn't exist. Shows he's a hypocrite? Maybe. Scientifically proves global warming doesn't exist? I believe that's a no.
whoo ashley!to Kenzie, it was when they first started the theory. I can't remember, but watched these brown butterflies, and they put them in this different habitat. When winter came around they wouldn't be protected from predators. Some of them had genetic mutations that turned them white when winter came. Those were the ones that survived, and pretty soon, the ones without the genetic mutations went extinct. And they did it with some other animals. The ones with genetic mutations survived, so they would adapt to their habitat, therefore showing us that evolution was real!
i know it doesn't prove anything, but the fact that if he wants to prevent global warming, he still travels around in a private jet that pollutes more than anything.
That's a form of evolution called micro-evolution. It doesn't prove the evolution they're trying to prove, macro-evolution. That's called adaption. It's--I guess--sort of a smaller form of evolution. They're trying to prove that humans once evolved--over millions and millions of years--from Monkeys, and little single celled organisms (macro-evolution) by showing samples of micro-evolution. That form of evolution isn't that big, it's a simple change. Like when a dog grows a thicker coat in the winter time then in the summer. What I'm trying to say is that we didn't evolve. Sure we may have adapted, but we didn't evolve. Does any of what I said make any sense to you?
Well, if you traced all of the micro-evolutions, it is very possible that they would lead back to one macro-evolution.I remember in my biology class reading that something like cow, chicken, and human embryos all look the same up to a certain point in the womb, when they begin to devolop differently.
Not entirely related to evolution, but it was cool.
but, say, if there was this micro organism. It adapted a little bit. And something came along that killed everything else off. The things slowly evolve like that, they adapt so much that soon they're classified as a different species. And if you look at genes, some animals' genes are so close to other animals' genes (ex. Human & monkey), that we were probably originally a monkey until a few key things adapted. And here we are!!!
No. I don't think so. Answer me this: How does a single-celled organism multiply? And how does nothing explode?
hmmmm...well, I'm not that good at science.Well, there's this thing called the birds and the bees....no, I'm just foolin'.
Wait, where was the explosion? Because that would be so much cooler, if all of the species that died out due to evolution didn't really just die off one by one until they couldn't reproduce - instead they died because their whole species went KABLOOIE!
The big bang theory. It mixes in with evolution, saying that once upon a time nothing exploded creating all the planet, including Earth. The Earth at that point was like a desert. All the sudden it started raining, creating the oceans, rivers, lakes, and seas. Then single-celled organisms magically appeared, which began evolving creating one species, which evolved into another, and so on and so forth. Or something like that. It doesn't make sense at all. How does nothing explode? And rain spontaneously start falling? And singled-celled organisms, how do they multiply if its a single cell?
Um... no offense, but have you actually paid attention in any of your science classes?
lol.
i'm getting prepared for that stuff.
i'm getting prepared for that stuff.
Me? Yes. That's what I've been told. Which makes no sense at all to me.
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As for "refusing to believe that I am supposedly a descendent of a monkey", that's not a good excuse for me. I wouldn't like to consider myself a monkey either, but hey -- that's the way it is. Can't be changed, so deal with it.
Sure, the concept of God is widely accepted bcuz it's easier to comprehend that BAM! we just appeared out of nowhere. But just because the scientific aspect is confusing doesn't mean that it's not true. That's how I see it.
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well actually, it's not a law because it doesn't fit the definition of law. the definition of a scientific law is that there's no way it's NOT true. As in, NO ONE can argue with it. as in, every single piece of evidence points to it, such as there's no evidence against it, such as it just IS- it's a fact. like gravity- there's no arguing, it just IS.
anyways...i'm not sure if i believe in god or not. but if there is a god (or some sort of higher power) i don't think it messes around with our lives. i think our lives are a natural course, and thinks happen just because they happen. i don't think god makes decides what happens to us- and i don't believe in the phrase "everything happens for a reason."
when a child dies of poverty every two seconds (and i'm not exaggerating, this is true: go to www.poverty.com) does that happen for a reason? does something good come out of it? is that how it's meant to be? no! children die of poverty because that's the way this messed-up world is, and that's how cruel fate has to be. it has nothing to do with god.
if there really was a god up there, why would he let these things happen? why would he let a child die every two seconds, millions and billions and gazillions and an uncountable amount of human beings die from things so simple as poverty if he could control the world? if he had any power? why would he let the wars continue on in iraq, let thousands of soldiers die each die, if he could prevent it?
he wouldn't! unless he was a very cruel god- he wouldn't let that happen. but it IS happening. so either there is no god, or there is one, but he has no power over the world and stands back and watches everything, helpless.
and if god can't stop world problems such as poverty, or wars, why do you think he would be involved with something much less significant, like the details of people's lives- including working out when and why people will stop living?
there are 6.5 billion people in the world. how could a higher power control the lives of ALL of them? and if they could, wouldn't that mean they could stop the problems, like poverty and wars and world population?
so no, I do not think there is a god or a higher power- at least, not one capable of doing anything.
btw- everyone should read Inherit the Wind, by Jerome Lawrence and Robert Edwin Lee. I read if for English, and it's exactly about the debate we're having now- creationism vs. evolutionism.
oh and one more thing. maybe it's just me, but I like to belief in something that has proof, not just something that may or may not be true. is there any actual real evidence that proves the creationism theory? no. only stories. is there any real evidence that proves the evolutionism theory? yes.
maybe someday there WILL be proof that creationism is true. who knows? maybe god will come down and tell everybody that he does exist, and that he created the world, and man.
when that happens- when I see it with my own eyes- that's when I'll believe it. but right now, evolutionism is much more believable than creationism.
i hope i got my point across.
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Gee, what a nice guy.
Whatever. That's your opinion, and I don't agree with it in the least.
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And I hope I didn't sound rude...I just tend to get overexcited when I try to prove my point...sorry.
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I know, most of you guys won't agree with my point of view in this, but this is what I believe.
I believe that we were created by God. In scripture reference in the Bible, Genesis 1:1,2 it says In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form,a nd void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
I don't believe in the big bang, because out of nothing, nothing at all, we were created, and then evolution, i don't believe in at all. Animals did not do evolution, they also were created by God. God created Adam and Eve, and yes were the first people on the earth.
Scientists, movies, authors, all have theories of how the world began, but none, none can prove that how we were created. There are many doctors and surgeons who say that the body is so complex, that we couldn't have evolved from nothingness. We had to have been created by some sort of being. Who I believe is God.
There is also more to this world, than Global Warming, Wars, Evolution, Big Bang Theory, etc. I know Global Warming may exist, but I believe that it is not caused by man, it is a natural stage of the earth, and how it works.
I believe that the savior Jesus Christ will come to this earth again, for it has been testified many times in the scriptures.
In the Book of Mormon, Mormon foretells of the Second Coming, and what will happen before Jesus Christ comes again. Mormon 8:26-32 it says And no one need say they shall not come, for they surely shall, for the Lord hath spoken it; for out of the earth shall they come, by the hand of the Lord, and none can stay it; and it shall come in a day when it shall be said that miracles are done away; and it sahll come even as if one should speak from the dead.
And it shall come in a day when the blood of saints shall cry unto the Lord, because of secret combinations and the works of darkness.
Yea, it shall come in a day when the power of God shall be denied, and churches become defiled and be lifted up in the pride of their hears; yea, even in a day when leaders of churches and teachers shall rise in the pride of their hearts, even unto the envying of them who belong to their churches.
Yea it shall come in a day when there shall be heard of fires, and tempests, and vapors of smoke in foreign lands;
And there shall also be heard of wars, rumors of wars, and earthquakes in divers places.
Yea, it shall come in a day when there shall be great ppollutions upon the face of the earth; there shall be murders, and robbing and lying, and deceivings, and whoredoms; and all manner of abominations; when there shall be many who will say, Do this, or do that, and it mattereth not, for the Lord will uphold such at the last day. But wo unto such, for they are in the gall of bitterness and in the bonds of iniquity.
Yea it shall come in a day when there shall be churches built up that shall say: Come unto me, and for your money you shall be forgiven of your sins.
Another verse he speaks of those who do not believe in God, or Jesus Christ. Mormon 9:2-3,7-6-10 Behold, will ye believe in the day of your visitation-behold, when the Lord shall come, yea, even that great day when the earth shall be rolled together as a scroll, and the elements shall melt with fervent hear, yea in that great day when ye shall be brought to stand before the Lamb of God-then will ye say that there is no God?
Then will ye longer deny the Christ, or can ye behold the Lamb of God? Do ye suppose that ye shall dwell with him under a conciousness of your guilt? Do ye suppose that ye could be happy to dwell with that holy Being, when your souls are racked with a consciousness of guilt that ye have ever abused his laws?
And again I speak unto you who deny the revelations of God, and say that they are done away, that there are no revelations, nor prophecies, nor gifts, nor healing, nor speaking with tongues, and the interpretation of tongues;
Behold I say unto you, he that denieth these things knoweth not the gospel of Christ; yea he has not read the scriptures; if so, he does not understand them.
For do we not read that God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, and in him there is no variableness neighter shadow of changing?
And now, if ye have imagined up unto yourselves a god who doth vary, and in whom there is shadow of changing, then ye have imagined up unto yourselves a god who is not a God of miracles.
In the Book of Mormon, Jesus Christ has died, and has risen, and is speaking to the Nephites in this he says, 3rd Nephi 12:1-2, And it came to pass that when Jesus had spoken these words unto Nephi, and to those who had been called, (now the number of them who had been called, and received power and authority to baptize, was twelve) ((the twelve being the twelve apostles of the Lord.)) and behold, he stretched foth his hand unto the multitude, and cried unto them, saying: Blessed are ye if ye shall give heed unto the words of thse twelve whom I have chosen from among you to minister unto you, and to be your servants; and unto them I have given power that they may baptize you with water; and after that ye are baptized with water, behold, I wil baptize you with fire and with the Holy Ghost; therefore blessed ar eye if ye shall believe in me and be baptized, after that ye have seen me and know that I am.
And again, more blessed are they who shall believe in your words because that ye shall testify that ye have seen me, and that ye know that I am.
Jesus is speaking to the Twelve Apostles in which he has called, saying that if you see Jesus and believe that he is, then you are blessed. But even more blessed are those who still have seen him, but believed the words of the apostles before they saw him, that he existed.
So in the day that Jesus Christ shall come again, and those that see that he is, then blessing shall come to all of us that believe in his power.
If you do not agree with what I have told you, then so be it. I'm not saying you have to do this, and believe this and that. I'm just saying, that this is what I believe, and this is what I will stick to until the day I die, no matter what others tell me.
I believe that we were created by God. In scripture reference in the Bible, Genesis 1:1,2 it says In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form,a nd void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
I don't believe in the big bang, because out of nothing, nothing at all, we were created, and then evolution, i don't believe in at all. Animals did not do evolution, they also were created by God. God created Adam and Eve, and yes were the first people on the earth.
Scientists, movies, authors, all have theories of how the world began, but none, none can prove that how we were created. There are many doctors and surgeons who say that the body is so complex, that we couldn't have evolved from nothingness. We had to have been created by some sort of being. Who I believe is God.
There is also more to this world, than Global Warming, Wars, Evolution, Big Bang Theory, etc. I know Global Warming may exist, but I believe that it is not caused by man, it is a natural stage of the earth, and how it works.
I believe that the savior Jesus Christ will come to this earth again, for it has been testified many times in the scriptures.
In the Book of Mormon, Mormon foretells of the Second Coming, and what will happen before Jesus Christ comes again. Mormon 8:26-32 it says And no one need say they shall not come, for they surely shall, for the Lord hath spoken it; for out of the earth shall they come, by the hand of the Lord, and none can stay it; and it shall come in a day when it shall be said that miracles are done away; and it sahll come even as if one should speak from the dead.
And it shall come in a day when the blood of saints shall cry unto the Lord, because of secret combinations and the works of darkness.
Yea, it shall come in a day when the power of God shall be denied, and churches become defiled and be lifted up in the pride of their hears; yea, even in a day when leaders of churches and teachers shall rise in the pride of their hearts, even unto the envying of them who belong to their churches.
Yea it shall come in a day when there shall be heard of fires, and tempests, and vapors of smoke in foreign lands;
And there shall also be heard of wars, rumors of wars, and earthquakes in divers places.
Yea, it shall come in a day when there shall be great ppollutions upon the face of the earth; there shall be murders, and robbing and lying, and deceivings, and whoredoms; and all manner of abominations; when there shall be many who will say, Do this, or do that, and it mattereth not, for the Lord will uphold such at the last day. But wo unto such, for they are in the gall of bitterness and in the bonds of iniquity.
Yea it shall come in a day when there shall be churches built up that shall say: Come unto me, and for your money you shall be forgiven of your sins.
Another verse he speaks of those who do not believe in God, or Jesus Christ. Mormon 9:2-3,7-6-10 Behold, will ye believe in the day of your visitation-behold, when the Lord shall come, yea, even that great day when the earth shall be rolled together as a scroll, and the elements shall melt with fervent hear, yea in that great day when ye shall be brought to stand before the Lamb of God-then will ye say that there is no God?
Then will ye longer deny the Christ, or can ye behold the Lamb of God? Do ye suppose that ye shall dwell with him under a conciousness of your guilt? Do ye suppose that ye could be happy to dwell with that holy Being, when your souls are racked with a consciousness of guilt that ye have ever abused his laws?
And again I speak unto you who deny the revelations of God, and say that they are done away, that there are no revelations, nor prophecies, nor gifts, nor healing, nor speaking with tongues, and the interpretation of tongues;
Behold I say unto you, he that denieth these things knoweth not the gospel of Christ; yea he has not read the scriptures; if so, he does not understand them.
For do we not read that God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, and in him there is no variableness neighter shadow of changing?
And now, if ye have imagined up unto yourselves a god who doth vary, and in whom there is shadow of changing, then ye have imagined up unto yourselves a god who is not a God of miracles.
In the Book of Mormon, Jesus Christ has died, and has risen, and is speaking to the Nephites in this he says, 3rd Nephi 12:1-2, And it came to pass that when Jesus had spoken these words unto Nephi, and to those who had been called, (now the number of them who had been called, and received power and authority to baptize, was twelve) ((the twelve being the twelve apostles of the Lord.)) and behold, he stretched foth his hand unto the multitude, and cried unto them, saying: Blessed are ye if ye shall give heed unto the words of thse twelve whom I have chosen from among you to minister unto you, and to be your servants; and unto them I have given power that they may baptize you with water; and after that ye are baptized with water, behold, I wil baptize you with fire and with the Holy Ghost; therefore blessed ar eye if ye shall believe in me and be baptized, after that ye have seen me and know that I am.
And again, more blessed are they who shall believe in your words because that ye shall testify that ye have seen me, and that ye know that I am.
Jesus is speaking to the Twelve Apostles in which he has called, saying that if you see Jesus and believe that he is, then you are blessed. But even more blessed are those who still have seen him, but believed the words of the apostles before they saw him, that he existed.
So in the day that Jesus Christ shall come again, and those that see that he is, then blessing shall come to all of us that believe in his power.
If you do not agree with what I have told you, then so be it. I'm not saying you have to do this, and believe this and that. I'm just saying, that this is what I believe, and this is what I will stick to until the day I die, no matter what others tell me.
