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I didn't cheat, but people tried to cheat off me.I did once use a small piece of paper with formulas written all over it, but the professor had told us we could use a single 3x5 crib sheet.
Don't drink, never smoked or did drugs, never cheated. Shit, somebody's going to give me the grand-daddy of all melvins someday.
Phil wrote: "Don't drink, never smoked or did drugs, never cheated. Shit, somebody's going to give me the grand-daddy of all melvins someday. "
I think we may need to put Phil in a museum, I wasn't sure one of these still existed ;-)
I think we may need to put Phil in a museum, I wasn't sure one of these still existed ;-)
I remember writing on my hands, but not very often, didn't really need to. I cut class a lot too.
One of our math teachers was near blind, but he took attendance every day. After he walked around and took attendance he would go sit at his desk, and half the class would leave one by one.
i did some minor cheating. we had big brains calculators and someone would write a program with a summary of the chapters we had to learn and distribute it to everyone's calculators. it really helped, but if you use a calculator anywhere but in math teachers will get suspicious. for french i once made a list of every word we had to learn and accidentally took it with me to the test. i didn't need it, but i gave it to the person sitting next to me, he isn't too bright so he could use it. other than that there wasn't much cheating, i just didn't have to.
Barb wrote: "lol - I wish ....
Math was the only class I ever failed though, my brain just doesn't work that way. It actually took me 3 tries to get that bitch out of the way! Then I attempted 11th grade (ad..."
Sorry to hear that, I took 10th grade math in 8th grade, now english is a different topic.
Math was the only class I ever failed though, my brain just doesn't work that way. It actually took me 3 tries to get that bitch out of the way! Then I attempted 11th grade (ad..."
Sorry to hear that, I took 10th grade math in 8th grade, now english is a different topic.
No Barb, some peoples brains just seemed to be wired that way others aren't, like I said trying to figure out nouns, pronouns verbs conjunctions, etc. was work, and except for noun and verb I don't remember any of it.
I was one of those annoying kids that loved school and spent a lot of time in the library. Oh if only I had the internet back then... (did I say was... still am) I helped the dumb jocks with their homework and thus my current love for sports! and dumb jocks!
ms.petra wrote: "did you RA?"Oh, hell yes, constantly. I copied Trish Conklin's Math homework on the playground before school every day of seventh grade. And in sophomore biology we had to trade papers to correct quizzes because the teacher, a short, bald, weird man was too lazy to correct them on his own, and I got straight As because a small group of us, ahem, had an...agreement...about modifying, ahem, responses.
Also, in undergrad I was supposed to survey fifty people about some language issue for a linguistics class and I made up all the results without bothering to survey anyone.
I'm just scratching the surface here.
Dummy math RULED, Barb!
I also had a class like Jim's, in which everybody left one by one, but it was in doctoral statistics, with the instructor in Colorado on television and the rest of us in a computer lab in Milwaukee. There were cameras, but they weren't very effective, so whenever the instructor (a kind of famous guy in the education field) would call on someone who wasn't there, we'd say "she's in the bathroom" or whatever and he'd just go on to someone else.
no. if i would have cheated i would not have graduated 275th out of 500 with a C+ average. plus it is hard to cheat in woodshop, school newspaper, art and advanced PE which basically summed up my classes
I cheated in metal shop. The girl next to me helped me every time I screwed up. I got her high in return.
Also, what kind of school did you attend, Kevin, where you had a C+ average but were still near the middle of the class?
good ol Haworth High School. Kokomo, IN. at the time we had over 20k people in a town of about 40k working in automobile factories (GM & Chrysler)so no one had to try hard in school. just get out and go to work in the factories. we fostered generations of under-achievers who made lots of money working for the UAW for years. my grueling class schedule def helped my GPA
Kevin Those UAW workers sound eerily similar to my brethren Postal Workers.
Shouldn't a C+ put you near the middle, by virtue of it being near the midpoint of the grading scale?
No, not really. That's working on the bell curve...the idea that a certain amount of kids should fail, etc. If you have clear, criterion-based standards that aren't reliant on the "sorting" method, then ideally more kids should succeed. Schools don't need to proceed under the idea that a substantial amount of the population should fail, and the idea that a C is "average" is, in my eyes, antiquated; try telling parents/students who are trying to get their kids into a good college that a C is "average" and "acceptable". That's industrial era thinking. I'm not saying the standards should be lowered so more kids get higher grades; I'm saying that if you have clear standards and teach well within a clear, criterion-based system more kids should be able to succeed at a high level.See? Eventually I did ok at school. Thanks, Trish, for getting me through seventh grade math!
Phil wrote: "Shouldn't a C+ put you near the middle, by virtue of it being near the midpoint of the grading scale?"
That would mean that 20 % of kids are going to fail, that wouldn't be allowed.
That would mean that 20 % of kids are going to fail, that wouldn't be allowed.
RandomAnthony wrote: "ms.petra wrote: "did you RA?"Oh, hell yes, constantly. I copied Trish Conklin's Math homework on the playground before school every day of seventh grade. And in sophomore biology we had to trad..."
i made up results once too, in my first year at university. it was fun coming up with results that weren't too similar. the computer didn't see it was all made up so i think i did well.
Yes! I totally hear you, Janine! I wanted to fake data well:)
it is an art. and if a computer can't tell the difference between your made up data and someone else's real data on the same subject you have mastered it. sometimes i like to do my own side-experiments. this one earned me an 8/10 which is about as high as it gets here. sometimes a 9/10 for exceptional work, but i haven't seen a 10/10 since i was 15.
I got through college chem lab by copying data results from friends. I really tried to make sense of it myself, but it just wasn't happening. I feel unrepentant, because the professor was a visiting one, and really just not that great about clarifying the subject. I just needed to get my science requirement out of the way.
And I promise, I never attempt to do any of that chemistry now, I know I don't know what I'm doing. :)
When I was in the 5th Grade, I spent THREE hours trying to draw a stupid clover leaf for a 4-H contest. After watching me struggle, my dad took my poster board and drew one for me in 10 seconds. Then I colored it in. I was so proud of it the next morning because it looked REALLY great compared to everyone else's, but then I got a crisis of conscience and told my teacher about it, so she withdrew me from the contest and told me she was proud of me for being honest.
No, I never cheated in school. Ever... not even when we were allowed to bring a cheat sheet.
So no one else ever played reference source switcheroo? My term papers would always end up being quite good but would inevitably be one source short of the arbitrary required number set by the Prof beforehand. I would fix this by attributing a random quote to a source that hadn't proved useful knowing that the professor would most likely not go to the library and check each of my sources. There is no way that I would do this now in the age of anti-plagiarism software/websites that many colleges use. I also used the "my computer crashed" excuse a couple of times when running late on papers. This worked great in the Windows 95/98 days, but I wouldn't try that one now either.
Oh, some professors use those anti-plagarism programs constantly. My students' papers aren't as much research as analysis of specific situations, so cheating would be hard (unless, like Janine and me, they just made up the contexts), but the anti-plagarism tools have caused some interesting conversations about plagarism and how close one can cleave to sources while maintaining academic integrity.
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my two brothers and i all three used the same term paper in the 8th grade. i was one year after him and my younger brother was 2 years after me. it was entitled Weapons Of The Civil War. each year the grade got better which may the original author, my brother terry, mad
no, first two years was a diff teacher and then the last year it was used was a repeat teacher. beautiful for me. never cracked a book and got a B if i remember correctly. first time was a B+ and then finally it made an A
We had to write "On my honor I have neither given nor received help on this test" and then sign it, on all our tests, at my high school. Our "brother" school, St. Christopher's, had to write "on my honor as a gentleman..." on theirs. How Southern.One of my classmates got expelled senior year for cheating on a history test. They take cheating very seriously at St. Catherine's.
Phil wrote: "I didn't cheat, but people tried to cheat off me."Look at the big brain on Phil!
And it takes a big head to hold it.Oh, wait, I just insulted myself. :)
Don't worry, your grades can't be recinded. 'Fess up.