The Infernal Devices discussion
Team Will vs. Team Jem
Cheyanne wrote: "I cant choose."Me niether!
Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "I love Henry! Although, sometimes he does annoy me. Uh.....give me a second here.....big decision....nobody kill me for saying this, okay? But I would not be really heart broken if ... if....Jem di..."Ok I love WILL! But! I would be sad if Jem died! Think of what it'll do to will! He'll lose one of the two people he loves most! And remember if Jem dies will and Tessa can't be together if Jem dies! Remember this teaser? : "“If Jem dies, I cannot be with Tessa,” said Will. “Because it will be as if I were waiting for him to die, or took some joy in his death, if it let me have her. And I will not be that person. I will not profit from his death. So he must live.”"
Rayzel wrote: "When Will found out Tessa and Jem were getting married.. I felt sorry for him but I wasn't heartbroken.. If Tessa never came along, Will would never have had the motivation to break the "curse." No..."But Jem and Tessa are engaged! Jem is dying and if he does die, Tessa and will can't be together! So I doubt she will end up with will however much I want that to happen, I don't think it will! Also I feel as if she won't end up with either.
Noor wrote: "Rayzel wrote: "When Will found out Tessa and Jem were getting married.. I felt sorry for him but I wasn't heartbroken.. If Tessa never came along, Will would never have had the motivation to break ..."I'm thinking along the same lines as this. I want Tessa and Will together but I really want Jem to find happiness aswell. I really like Jem but it is kind of obvious to me that Tessa's more attracted to Will.
Realistically I don't think she'll end up with either of the guys :( I don't really see Tessa as the kind of person that breaks up friendships.
Ana wrote: "Realistically I don't think she'll end up with either of the guys :( I don't really see Tessa as the kind of person that breaks up friendships. "Me too! Tessa is selfless! Always thinking about others!
Which reminds me of this convo: (it's a teaser)
“Do you think there’s a chance for him?”
“A chance for who?”
“Will. To be happy.”
“Is there a chance for you to be happy if he isn’t?”
I feel like it's Tessa talking to someone (maybe magnus)
Noor wrote: And remember if Jem dies will and Tessa can't be together if Jem dies! Remember this teaser? : "“If Jem dies, I cannot be with Tessa,” said Will. “Because it will be as if I were waiting for him to die, or took some joy in his death, if it let me have her. And I will not be that person. I will not profit from his death. So he must live.”"
Yep. From the perspective of some it might be plain and simple: Jem just has to give his consent and allow Tessa and Will to be together without them having to feel guilty about it.
But this is a bromance we're talking about! If Jem finds out Will is in love with Tessa, the selfless thing he'll do is stop the wedding from happening. Yet at the same time, it would be cruel (and unlikely) of Will to ask anything of Jem that will cause him unhappiness. Well, there was that moment in CP:
"'But he would understand,' he said dazedly. 'If we explained to him. If we told him...he would understand.'
She made her voice as cold as she could. As calm. 'Told him what?'"
I think personally this is one of Will's lowest moments but in the end, I don't think he would go through with anything that would hurt Jem, and vice versa.
Yep. From the perspective of some it might be plain and simple: Jem just has to give his consent and allow Tessa and Will to be together without them having to feel guilty about it.
But this is a bromance we're talking about! If Jem finds out Will is in love with Tessa, the selfless thing he'll do is stop the wedding from happening. Yet at the same time, it would be cruel (and unlikely) of Will to ask anything of Jem that will cause him unhappiness. Well, there was that moment in CP:
"'But he would understand,' he said dazedly. 'If we explained to him. If we told him...he would understand.'
She made her voice as cold as she could. As calm. 'Told him what?'"
I think personally this is one of Will's lowest moments but in the end, I don't think he would go through with anything that would hurt Jem, and vice versa.
Noor wrote: "Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "I love Henry! Although, sometimes he does annoy me. Uh.....give me a second here.....big decision....nobody kill me for saying this, okay? But I would not be really heart ..."That's what I said. I'd only be heartbroken for Will and Tessa's loss. I wouldn't really be...uh...heartbroken because Jem died, but more so fo how it will impact Will.
Rayzel wrote: "Noor wrote: And remember if Jem dies will and Tessa can't be together if Jem dies! Remember this teaser? : "“If Jem dies, I cannot be with Tessa,” said Will. “Because it will be as if I were waitin..."The poor guy had a tough day to deal with everything! He learns that he never had a curse, he goes to tell the only girl he's ever loved, and finds out she's marrying his parabotai? I think it's understandable why he would momentarily lose it. After all, he was the first one to stand and congratulate them on their engagement.
Also, the whole now-that-Will-can-love-freely-he-might-be-able-to-fall-for-another-girl stuff is just as possible as Jem. Jem hasn't exactly had much experience with women cuz he's dying and all. Will has. I think it would be more likely for Jem to fall in love with someone else than Will. Will is experienced with infatuation and love, whereas Jem has only been around Jessamine (yikes) and Sophie.
Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Noor wrote: "Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "I love Henry! Although, sometimes he does annoy me. Uh.....give me a second here.....big decision....nobody kill me for saying this, okay? But I would not be ..."omg. it hurts me because it hurts will. i will feel sad. :(
Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Rayzel wrote: "Noor wrote: And remember if Jem dies will and Tessa can't be together if Jem dies! Remember this teaser? : "“If Jem dies, I cannot be with Tessa,” said Will. “Because it will be as i..."NO Jem loves Tessa as much as Will does.
Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "That's what I said. I'd only be heartbroken for Will and Tessa's loss. I wouldn't really be...uh...heartbroken because Jem died, but more so fo how it will impact Will. "Oh! Ok sorry!
Rayzel wrote: "I think personally this is one of Will's lowest moments but in the end, I don't think he would go through with anything that would hurt Jem, and vice versa. "Yes that was the lowest moment for will but it's understandable qhy he said that! he was breaking apart and was becoming hopeless. He didn't mean it I feel because later on when he wasn't distraught he realised that he loves Jem and Tessa too much to break their hearts! And that Jem truly loves tessa. When he said that, he thought Jem didn't love Tessa as he did, he was clinging on to the hope that Jem didn't love her that he would understand. He thought he loved Tessa more but upon speaking with him he realised he was wrong, that Jem loves Tessa too! That he loved Jem too much to ask him such a thing.
So it's understandable! Will was distraught, clinging on desperately to hope, hope that he realised he was fabricating. He sacrificed his love for Tessa for the happiness of his parabatai.
Maryam wrote: "NO Jem loves Tessa as much as Will does. Yes I agree!!! Jem will not stop loving Tessa!! Just as much as will will stop loving Tessa!
I really want Tessa and will to be together i feel like his been threw so much, and how much he does love her. BUT Tessa and jem OMG! HOW CAN YOU SAY NO!
Maryam wrote: "Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Rayzel wrote: "Noor wrote: And remember if Jem dies will and Tessa can't be together if Jem dies! Remember this teaser? : "“If Jem dies, I cannot be with Tessa,” said Will..."Personally, I think Will can connect with Tessa on a higher level than her and Jem. They both share the same passions and Will also read those letters that helped him understand Tessa. So...yeah, I guess their connection is a bit stronger than hers and Jem's. I prefer to think the whole soulmate-soulmate thing between Tessa and Will, because what Tessa and Jem have just...isn't.
I am irrevocably team Will! From the very first time Will appeared in the book I knew that he was the only one that Tessa should be with. He may be mysterious, distant and sometimes abrupt and secretive but I am sure that he has only good feelings inside him and he does what he does just to protect those he loves...Also, Cassandra Clare discribes him so perfectly that he is just adorable!
Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Personally, I think Will can connect with Tessa on a higher level than her and Jem. They both share the same passions and Will also read those letters that helped him understand Tessa. So...yeah, I guess their connection is a bit stronger than hers and Jem's. I prefer to think the whole soulmate-soulmate thing between Tessa and Will, because what Tessa and Jem have just...isn't. "See the thing is I agree- that their connection is different but Tessa loves will and Jem equally. And Jem and will both love Tesaa equally. So they all love each other equally but will and tessa's connection is different. They have more in common and yes I agree there-they are soulmates! However Jem and Tesaa still have a special connection too, they both make each laugh, he knows how to make her feel better. So they both couples have connections just differently.
Stephani wrote: "I really want Tessa and will to be together i feel like his been threw so much, and how much he does love her. BUT Tessa and jem OMG! HOW CAN YOU SAY NO!"same but different. :(
Maryam wrote: "This is all so complicated."Completely agreed
I dont want any of them to get hurt and its making me hurt. Oh god. :(
I'm team Jem! He's so incredibly sweet and he genuinely loves and cares for Tessa. He has so many beautiful qualities to him :) When i first started reading the ID series i fell in love with Will but now im just tired of all these dark, mysterious, tortured men! (Is it bad that when he started being nice after realizing he wasn't cursed, i didn't like him anymore?? Haha i guess i prefer his snarky, a-hole personality...
Cheyanne wrote: "I dont want any of them to get hurt and its making me hurt. Oh god. :("Ditto.
Amanda wrote: "I'm team Jem! He's so incredibly sweet and he genuinely loves and cares for Tessa. He has so many beautiful qualities to him :) When i first started reading the ID series i fell in love with Will b..."I don't know about Will. BUT TEAM JEM ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE SKY!! YEAH YEAHH!
Maryam wrote: "Amanda wrote: "I'm team Jem! He's so incredibly sweet and he genuinely loves and cares for Tessa. He has so many beautiful qualities to him :) When i first started reading the ID series i fell in l..."TEAM JEM ALL THE WAY BABY, TEAM JEM FANS UNITE
Lottie wrote: "Maryam wrote: "Amanda wrote: "I'm team Jem! He's so incredibly sweet and he genuinely loves and cares for Tessa. He has so many beautiful qualities to him :) When i first started reading the ID ser..."YES. I'm waiting for the day when there will be more Jem fans than Will fans.
Maryam wrote: "Lottie wrote: "Maryam wrote: "Amanda wrote: "I'm team Jem! He's so incredibly sweet and he genuinely loves and cares for Tessa. He has so many beautiful qualities to him :) When i first started rea..."Well i like both characters and it doesn't matter who she ends up with because she will never die. i'm sad to say it. :(
Most often times when there is a love triangle, one male lead is liked/preferred more than the other. People were more for Jacob it seemed than Edward (team Edward btw) or like Maxon and Aspen, or Tucker and Christian.
Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Most often times when there is a love triangle, one male lead is liked/preferred more than the other. People were more for Jacob it seemed than Edward (team Edward btw) or like Maxon and Aspen, or ..."You have a point there
Tiffany wrote: "I'm Team Jem (: I'll have Will for myself, thankyouverymuch <3Also, it's because I just love how Jem is insanely sweet to Tessa. I love reading their moments together."
Ah. You meant that proposal part? I was shocked when Tessa said yes. Ugh!! WHY!!!?
Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Most often times when there is a love triangle, one male lead is liked/preferred more than the other. People were more for Jacob it seemed than Edward (team Edward btw) or like Maxon and Aspen, or ..."Why you like Edward? Ahhhh!! Jacob, he's so poor thing. I usually team the weaker one.
Maryam wrote: "Lottie wrote: "Maryam wrote: "Amanda wrote: "I'm team Jem! He's so incredibly sweet and he genuinely loves and cares for Tessa. He has so many beautiful qualities to him :) When i first started rea..."There will never be. Ugh! So saddening.
Btw, I'm team JEM. ALL. THE. WAY!!
Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Most often times when there is a love triangle, one male lead is liked/preferred more than the other. People were more for Jacob it seemed than Edward (team Edward btw) or like Maxon and Aspen, or ..."You have a point, but that could just be your perception. I mean, a lot of people where I live (just using Twilight as an example) preferred Edward to Jacob, unlike me (although I didn't actually enjoy the series...) who preferred Jacob.
Haha, yeah to me it just seemed like online people preferred Jacob whereas I prefer Edward. But I said most often times, meaning that more often than not, one out of the two leading males will be liked more. Sometimes not, though.
Amanda wrote: "I'm team Jem! He's so incredibly sweet and he genuinely loves and cares for Tessa. He has so many beautiful qualities to him :) When i first started reading the ID series i fell in love with Will b..."I totally agree! I think that Jem Deserves the happy ending that he thought would never come his way, and he is so truly in love with Tessa. I love the idea of them being together. And she does love him as well, and hopefully it's enough to keep them together.
Flora wrote: "Tiffany wrote: "I'm Team Jem (: I'll have Will for myself, thankyouverymuch <3Also, it's because I just love how Jem is insanely sweet to Tessa. I love reading their moments together."
Ah. You m..."
agreed
Cheyanne wrote: "Flora wrote: "Tiffany wrote: "I'm Team Jem (: I'll have Will for myself, thankyouverymuch <3Also, it's because I just love how Jem is insanely sweet to Tessa. I love reading their moments togethe..."
but only about the sweet moments im still team will
Even when I read the sweet moments, I'm like, no no no no no no no no no. I get mad because all the while I'm thinking of poor Will, stripped of the only love he has ever really had due to a dumb curse that wasn't even real! Jem may love Tessa, but Tessa, I think, still loves Will more...
Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Even when I read the sweet moments, I'm like, no no no no no no no no no. I get mad because all the while I'm thinking of poor Will, stripped of the only love he has ever really had due to a dumb c..."I can't argue with you there
Amanda wrote: "I'm team Jem! He's so incredibly sweet and he genuinely loves and cares for Tessa. He has so many beautiful qualities to him :) When i first started reading the ID series i fell in love with Will b..."I definitely agree with Amanda! Team Jem since I read the first thing he said in CA, and I seriously think that he deserves a happy ending before he has to face his inevitable death. It would only be the best thing for both of them, because Tessa loves Jem as well and doesn't want him to just give up on finding a cure. She wants him just as much as he wants her, and although she still loves Will, Jem needs her more. And as for Will, I understand how hurt he must be, and how much he loves Tessa, and how he never wanted to hurt the people he loved intentionally, but once again, Amanda is right. That whole tortured, dark, I don't give a fudge about anyone but myself attitude gets a little old, and then you move on to the next one who really deserves the attention, which was Jem. And I just hope it all works out in the end...
Somebody just posted a VERY big spoiler and there was no spoiler sign so it ruined it for me. I don't know if it is true but Cassie put it up on Tumblr so...(view spoiler)
Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Somebody just posted a VERY big spoiler and there was no spoiler sign so it ruined it for me. I don't know if it is true but Cassie put it up on Tumblr so...[spoilers removed]"WHAAAAAAT?! NO IT CAN'T BE!!!
Nkosazana wrote: "Amanda wrote: "I'm team Jem! He's so incredibly sweet and he genuinely loves and cares for Tessa. He has so many beautiful qualities to him :) When i first started reading the ID series i fell in l..."I couldn't have said it better myself. Jem deserves so much more. So much, and it's unfortunate that he will never get it.
Tara wrote: "Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Somebody just posted a VERY big spoiler and there was no spoiler sign so it ruined it for me. I don't know if it is true but Cassie put it up on Tumblr so...[spoilers remo..."NOOOOOOO ACTUALLY?!?! Please don't tell me that's true! THAT SUCKS IT CAN'T BE TRUE. I'm checking Cassie's tumblr RIGHT NOW.
its not true. that was posted on April fools day :P
Jackie wrote: "its not true. that was posted on April fools day :P"Oh phew! Because I went to her blog and I couldn't find it, within the first two weeks, so I was like, maybe it was rumour. GOOD. I was freaking out *partly* for nothing. The real spoilers are really scaring me though.
Team Will all the way! Jem is kind, generous and always nice to others, a great friend for everyone but that's it.Will has something, a flame that Jem hasn't...
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And yes, Jem can appear bland. I'm not sure but if my memory serves me correct, Jem's suffering did begin earlier and those sort of things do force someone to mature faster, resulting in his "perfect" qualities. I think it goes the same way when people say that we haven't spent enough time yet getting to know the sweet Will. Well, how about the Jem that gets angry and moody - a Jem with more "depth"? I kind of saw it peeking out when Jem grew upset when Will used drugs for sport.
Will and Tessa share lots of things in common. But opposites can also attract and it shows that you don't have to have all the same qualities and hobbies to be a perfect match.
I don't know who Tessa is going to end up with. I love Jem but to be honest I think Cassie is going to go the Will x Tessa route because that's just the way love triangles are