The Infernal Devices discussion
Team Will vs. Team Jem
Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Wait a sec, I thought Shadowhunters died when they are bitten by vampires. What twith the holy water on all. I think I need to read them again."I think if I remember correctly in the attic scene Will was drinking the Holy Water in order to stop the demon disease, implying that if he didn't drink it he may have become a vampire but I'm not sure..
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I think if I remember cor..."
Yeah basically
But...but.....but, just HOLD ON! Let's not jump to that conclusion just yet! Please, for my sanity, do not! Now, maybe Magnus is referring to him in the past tense because Will is no longer Will. Maybe he becomes a silent brother and his name is changed. Possibility #2: Magnus may think Will is dead, but he's not. Okay? So, Will won't die cuz if he does (sob) Cassie will have a very very (and I've said this before) bad day. No, week. Uh,..no month...year!...lif--It'll just suck, alright?
Just because he was referring to him in the past tense doesn't mean that he is dead...i mean like when ur talking bout someone and u say, "Oh...she WAS my best friend" doesn't mean shes DEAD...so keep calm everyone...besides we all know that William Herondale is way to pro to die :]
sOrry, just confuse but i thought that vampire and lycanthorpe bite are the same. i mean, it could kill you but it could also turn you into one of them. okay, need to review the book too...
But I thought Vampire bites conained venom...
I don't mean to worry everyone D: I mean that if he does die, it's probably just from old age and not from something awfully tragic that could happen in CP2. You never know, if him and Tessa end up together they might've taken that sort of path where Will continues to age while Tessa doesn't xD however.. wrinkly he gets.
Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "But...but.....but, just HOLD ON! Let's not jump to that conclusion just yet! Please, for my sanity, do not! Now, maybe Magnus is referring to him in the past tense because Will is no longer Will. M..."
And that's true, but being a Silent Brother has its own cons D: I hate to think of either happening.
Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "But...but.....but, just HOLD ON! Let's not jump to that conclusion just yet! Please, for my sanity, do not! Now, maybe Magnus is referring to him in the past tense because Will is no longer Will. M..."
And that's true, but being a Silent Brother has its own cons D: I hate to think of either happening.
I'd rather him a Silent Brother opposed to silent forever. Besides, what if he did become one and he and Tessa were reunited in the final installment of TMI? Sure, that may confuse those who haven't read TID, but who honestly (if they like TMI) hasn't?
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Silent Brother and Iron Sisters aren't allowed to have relationships or get married.
that's why I asked if he could get out or ...you know...quit.
Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "that's why I asked if he could get out or ...you know...quit."I don't think you can just opt out of being a silent brother, I mean I think once you commit, you are a silent brother until you die. And even if Will became a silent brother, he would still die eventually leaving Tessa alone because she is immortal and silent brothers are mortal.
I thought becoming a Silent Brother meant eternal service... And if you can quit there must be a price. I don't remember what CC wrote about that sort of stuff ...
i was re reading city of bones last night and theres brother Jeremiah and i wondered could it be Jem? just wondering. I still dont want to consider the possibility of Will becoming a silent brother. he is too perfect to be mutilated.
Hah, that would be cool. Jem is Jerimiah and Will is Zachariah...maybe they came to a pact that neither of them could have Tessa. Wonder how that would pan out.....
I think that would be very parabatai of them... I don't like the idea of any friendship breaking up over a girl. And yeah, I do wonder how that might go... all that romantic tension and neither of them end up with Tessa lol xD
Enelra wrote: "i was re reading city of bones last night and theres brother Jeremiah and i wondered could it be Jem? just wondering. I still dont want to consider the possibility of Will becoming a silent broth..."
I completly agree Will! is too perfect physically and personality wise and to have it all under a cloak and be all serious. It will simply be unfair! after all that's happened to him Will deserves to live a happy and complete life!!
Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Hah, that would be cool. Jem is Jerimiah and Will is Zachariah...maybe they came to a pact that neither of them could have Tessa. Wonder how that would pan out....."
if they're silent brothers then they don't really need a pact to stay away from Tessa because as someone mentioned before that Silent brothers can't have romantic relationships/get married etc
Also I think Brother Jeremiah died in CoA so I don't think Cassie would have made him a silent brother only to have him killed off anyway.
yes brother Jeremiah died at CoA when Valentine attack the silent city. i remember he died in front of Jace's cell. When I first read it my impression was Jeremiah went down to Jace's cell to protect him and he died there...Also, Id been thinking about tessa's scene at CoG, most are assuming that Tessa will end up as a warlock but i find it weird that she stays in the shadow during the celebration at Angel Square and after talking to Magnus she disappeared into the shadow of the trees. cant explain it but i believe there is something there...
Where is the scene with Tessa? I can't find it
And Camille is wearing the necklace that Isabelle now wears so there's an obvious connection. What/who was Camille before she became a vampire?
Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Where is the scene with Tessa? I can't find it"i think its in the epiloge in CoG
Maybe it's not Tessa! Oh the horror. Although, I think after 100+ years a girl would want to do something a but different with the hair. Maybe it's Tessa's daughter. O.o
i thought it was confirmed by Cassie that it was Tessa? also, what do you think they were talking about? Magnus and Tessa i mean. see, when Magnus approached Clary's group he immediately whispered to Clary where she can find Jace. Do you think they were talking about Jace?
Maybe they were discussing the coming darkness.... I dunno.
i don't want to believe the theories about Will being brother Zachariah and all. cause i want tessa and will to have a happy ever after. even though cecily is too young for Jem i want them to be together.sorry i just don't like tragic ending and i totally can't wait for the last book. it's so agonizing.
Apple wrote: "i don't want to believe the theories about Will being brother Zachariah and all. cause i want tessa and will to have a happy ever after. even though cecily is too young for Jem i want them to be to..."Agreed
Cecily is not too young for Jem. Only by like, three years.
Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Cecily is not too young for Jem. Only by like, three years."That's true
Apple wrote: "i don't want to believe the theories about Will being brother Zachariah and all. cause i want tessa and will to have a happy ever after. even though cecily is too young for Jem i want them to be to..."I like stories which makes me think. Oh well. Out of point.
But still... all these Tessa and Jem or Will talks are making me crazy and driving me nuts.
My brain hurts from thinking about it.
yeah me too. i think i'll just re-read the book soon.
I cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot re-read the part of Will's euphoria and Tessa announcing Jem's proposal. Poor Will waits 5 years for nothing.It makes me so so so mad. AHHHH!
Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "I cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot re-read the part of Will's euphoria and Tessa announcing Jem's proposal. Poor Will waits 5 years for nothing.It makes me so so so mad. AHHHH!"OMG! i wanted to kill someone.
THANK YOU! Poor Will! My gosh, the guy has gone through enough without having to watch his dying best friend marry the only girl he has ever loved. I feel horrible just typing it! Why does Cassie torment her male leads? Jace having to watch his not-real father "die," falling for a girl who is told to be his sister,...oh, uh, dying (view spoiler)
Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "THANK YOU! Poor Will! My gosh, the guy has gone through enough without having to watch his dying best friend marry the only girl he has ever loved. I feel horrible just typing it! Why does Cassie t..."If i could i would help will
If I could I would dive into the book, rewind time, tell Will that his curse is false, have him meet Tessa, prevent Thomas's death, have Thomas with Sophie, Cecily with Gabriel, Jem marrying another woman and eventually (sorry) passing, and Gideon would become brother zachariah who loved both Gabriel and Sophie but who never had kids. Plus, it fits in with the present scenerio. Ta-da, everyone wins.
Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "If I could I would dive into the book, rewind time, tell Will that his curse is false, have him meet Tessa, prevent Thomas's death, have Thomas with Sophie, Cecily with Gabriel, Jem marrying anothe..."Wow! that works for me too. :)
yeah! So, if the ending concludes in my heart shredded and on the floor, I have this backup ending that WILL be the better-than-ever version:)
Me too. If I could have this story any way I wanted to I'd have Will immortal, Jem not in love with Tessa and just the supportive friend, Thomas alive, Mortmain dead, and Nate turned good. As long as I'm wishing for these things, I'll codemn Sebastian to death as well, because Max's murder and Jace's possessed-faze seriously was not cool with me!
Can't choose. Will's the bad boy we would all love to know and Jem's the sweetest guy ever!!! How can anyone choose?!?!
Well i love will. And jem, well he's too nice, but i like him alot :)
But Will is just as capable as Jem when it comes to sweetness. He was just never given the chance. Having to push people away or keep them at a distance for years to keep them safe, settling for that misery if it meant keeping his loved ones alive. Total self-sacrifice in every way, possibily even more so than Jem could be capable of.
Cheyanne wrote: "Well i love will. And jem, well he's too nice, but i like him alot :)"Jem deserves happiness but he just doesn't impact me alot. I can't really say he's funny or has much depth to me. He's a sweetheart and deserves a full, great life, but that's really all I can say about him to describe his personality in general.
Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "But Will is just as capable as Jem when it comes to sweetness. He was just never given the chance. Having to push people away or keep them at a distance for years to keep them safe, settling for th..."I totally agree and om top of that Will would never hurt the ones he cared for and when he finds out the curse is a fake jem and tessa are married and im heartbroken. I wanted to hug him right then and there.
Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Cheyanne wrote: "Well i love will. And jem, well he's too nice, but i like him alot :)"Jem deserves happiness but he just doesn't impact me alot. I can't really say he's funny or has much depth t..."
I do love jem but i still mourne for will
guys, for the next book of ID, if you'd be given a chance to choose among the characters you are willing to loose. who will it be? personally, id choose Henry. cause i know charlotte is strong and she can pull it through. the others, please let them be. its like singing to cassie "dont break my heart. my achey breaky heart. i just dont think it'll understand...."
I love Henry! Although, sometimes he does annoy me. Uh.....give me a second here.....big decision....nobody kill me for saying this, okay? But I would not be really heart broken if ... if....Jem died. My heart would only break for Will and Tessa losing him.
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remember Luke? a full pledge shadowhunter bitten by a warewolf turned into a warewolf. so there is also this possibility that Will could become a vampire. (though i dont like ..."
but a werewolf's bite is not venomous.