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Team Will vs. Team Jem

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message 1451: by T.J. (new)

T.J. | 226 comments I kind of think the angel is an automoton...but originally I thought it was fairy made, possibly made especially for her when born or something?


message 1452: by Ana (new)

Ana | 70 comments I think the necklace definitely has some sort of significance to the plot (although I don't know what exactly..) because it's also on the CP2 cover!

and since Tessa is pictured with a book on the cover maybe she has something to do with the Gray Book?!!


message 1453: by T.J. (last edited Jul 10, 2012 04:29PM) (new)

T.J. | 226 comments WHAT COVER?!?!?! The cover has been released???? Oh, gosh, just shoot me in the heart why don't ya? I can't wait 8 months! :( Which necklac? The angel or the stone?


message 1454: by Ana (new)

Ana | 70 comments lol yep go on the Clockwork princess thread or just google it :D


message 1455: by T.J. (new)

T.J. | 226 comments Saw it.
did I like it???
No.....
I LOVED it!. *crossing fingers* please let Tessa and Will end together, or at least let them be reunited in TMI if Will is B. Z. Please.....please.....PLEASE.


message 1456: by Ana (new)

Ana | 70 comments The necklace! and she's not wearing Jem's ring

sooo there still may be hope for us Will fans :D


message 1457: by T.J. (new)

T.J. | 226 comments HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA--sorry. I am mad at Jem. Why would he propose? WHY? Like she would deny a dying man his final wish. Who on earth would say no to that? If she had, we'd be saying how rotten Tessa was but no, she said yes. Plus, Jem does not know her like Will, nor does he share the same passions as her. And it seriously angered me when Jem started calling Tessa Tess. That's Will's name for her. Not Jem's. No.
I hope their wedding is intrrupted by automotons. Yeah. That would be perfect. That had better happen because the idea of Tessa and Jem together while poor, lovable Will stands on the sidelins just breaks my heart.


message 1458: by Ana (new)

Ana | 70 comments I don't think the wedding will actually happen, because I remember reading a snippet that read "and the gold of her ruined wedding dress"..which suggests that there will be some sort of disruption or maybe Sophie was ironing it and it got burnt by mistake hahah loll months of speculation gone down the drain.

But seriously now that Will knows of Jem's love for Tessa I think he'll force himself to be happy for them like he was trying to do at the end of CP. Which just makes Will more of a tragic character and makes me feel even more sorry for him :(


message 1459: by T.J. (new)

T.J. | 226 comments Poor Will. And for her to be marrying his very own parabotai. Tragic. But I remember seeing somewhere that on the dress was blood....teasers torture.


message 1460: by Noor (new)

Noor (noor_a) | 273 comments Shadowhunter Girl wrote: ".And it seriously angered me when Jem started calling Tessa Tess. That's Will's name for her. Not Jem's. No."

Me too! I was like: "JEM! That is will's name for her you are by no right allowed to use it!!!!" AARGH!!


message 1461: by Noor (new)

Noor (noor_a) | 273 comments Ana wrote: "I don't think the wedding will actually happen, because I remember reading a snippet that read "and the gold of her ruined wedding dress"..which suggests that there will be some sort of disruption ..."

I agree that quote suggests something interupted the wedding. I also agree that will will force himself to be happy. But the question is will he BE happy? Will something happen to change things??


message 1462: by T.J. (new)

T.J. | 226 comments I just want Will to be with Tessa. That's it. I almost died yesterday so I think Cassie can just make it end well for me.


message 1463: by Noor (new)

Noor (noor_a) | 273 comments Cleopatra wrote: "You guys are seriously over analyzing the book. Yes, it was interesting to read, but you don't need to start a heated discussion about the fact that a fictional character called another fictional c..."

Haha!! Well yeah I guess I let my will fangirl out when I said that.... :) but yeah like Fari said we just can't wait for the book and overanalysing is all we can do while we wait! Plus sometimes it helps us with theories which help us get one step closer to predicting the books! :)

Fari wrote: "Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "I just want Will to be with Tessa. That's it. I almost died yesterday so I think Cassie can just make it end well for me."

I think we're all thinking the same thing here: YOU ALMOST DIED?! At least, that's what I'm thinking"


Yes I'm thinking the same thing as you Fari!! You ALMOST DIED??? Wait figuratively or literally!? If the latter please explain further!!


message 1464: by T.J. (new)

T.J. | 226 comments Noor wrote: "Cleopatra wrote: "You guys are seriously over analyzing the book. Yes, it was interesting to read, but you don't need to start a heated discussion about the fact that a fictional character called a..."

I got in a car accident and almost T-boned on my side of the car but anyway..@ Cleopatra: I think some people are just more passionate about certain characters than others. Some people just get more involved and engrossed in the story to the point where, yeah, you side with characters you prefer and get annoyed when the characters you dislike do things that bug you. It just shows how much we care for the characters and how real they are to some of us. To me I get way too attached to fictional characters but that's okay.


message 1465: by T.J. (new)

T.J. | 226 comments “Wo wei ni xie de,” he said, as he raised the violin to his left shoulder, tucking it under his chin. He had told her many violinists used a shoulder rest, but he did not: there was a slight mark on the side of his throat, like a permanent bruise, where the violin rested.

“You — made something for me?” Tessa asked.

“I wrote something for you,” he corrected, with a smile, and began to play.

Ohmygoshohmygoshohmygosh. This makes me kinda mad...Will and Tessa. I just want her to be with Will.


message 1466: by Ana (new)

Ana | 70 comments Shadowhunter Girl, I hope you are ok :)

I agree sometimes the character of Jem makes me frustrated but only because I really want Will to be happy.

It is a testament to Cassie's writing that she inspires so many passionate responses from us. The books are hard to predict so we create our own theories and discuss them with each other because we're all anticipating the outcome.
If we analyse what a character does or says it is because we want to find out their motives and how they will relate to whatever happens next.

Plus, we have a looong wait until March 2013 so the theories just get more outlandish..by the time March comes around I'll be convinced that Tessa runs of with magnus or something really far fetched haha lol :)


message 1467: by Noor (new)

Noor (noor_a) | 273 comments Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "“Wo wei ni xie de,” he said, as he raised the violin to his left shoulder, tucking it under his chin. He had told her many violinists used a shoulder rest, but he did not: there was a slight mark o..."

What upsets me is that Tessa has been spending more time with Jem! -this is proven by the fact that she can understand Mandarin. (he has been teaching her in the time they spent together) I wish she were spending that time with Will learning welsh! :(


message 1468: by Noor (new)

Noor (noor_a) | 273 comments Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Noor wrote: "Cleopatra wrote: "You guys are seriously over analyzing the book. Yes, it was interesting to read, but you don't need to start a heated discussion about the fact that a fictional chara..."

Ohhh! Did you get hurt? And hope you're fine! :)


message 1469: by Ana (new)

Ana | 70 comments Noor wrote: "Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "“Wo wei ni xie de,” he said, as he raised the violin to his left shoulder, tucking it under his chin. He had told her many violinists used a shoulder rest, but he did not:..."

Yes!! Will teaching Tessa to speak Welsh would be soooo awesome:)


message 1470: by T.J. (new)

T.J. | 226 comments Aww thanks guys. I hit my head and got a few bad bruises and scrapes but overall I'm fine:) Thank you for your concern! And I agree, Noor. That part got me mad. I sooo don't want her spending that much time with Jem! Poor Will! He never got his chance. He was protecting her the entire time. I can't wait to see how he is in the next book!


message 1471: by Daylighter, Mizpah (new)

Daylighter (pantea13) | 1431 comments Mod
Noor wrote: "Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "“Wo wei ni xie de,” he said, as he raised the violin to his left shoulder, tucking it under his chin. He had told her many violinists used a shoulder rest, but he did not:..."

But she's engaged to the guy... of coarse she's gonna spend more time with him than Will! It doesn't make sense for her to learn Welsh and spend more time with Will!


message 1472: by T.J. (new)

T.J. | 226 comments I was referring to the time before his proposal. Poor Will didn't even get a chance to be his real self. I know he's probably just as sweet as Jem just with humor and more depth in my opinion.


message 1473: by Noor (new)

Noor (noor_a) | 273 comments Daylighter wrote: "Noor wrote: "Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "“Wo wei ni xie de,” he said, as he raised the violin to his left shoulder, tucking it under his chin. He had told her many violinists used a shoulder rest, bu..."

No you misunderstood me. Of course it is only logical for her to spend time with Jem, but I was only expressing that I WISH it were possible that she would be with will. I know that it is not possible and that her being with Jem is normal at this point. But I just wish she werent. It's pointless to wish but you can't blame a girl for wishing! :)


message 1474: by Daylighter, Mizpah (new)

Daylighter (pantea13) | 1431 comments Mod
Oh never mind, I see what you guys meant now =)


message 1475: by Noor (new)

Noor (noor_a) | 273 comments Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Aww thanks guys. I hit my head and got a few bad bruises and scrapes but overall I'm fine:) Thank you for your concern! And I agree, Noor. That part got me mad. I sooo don't want her spending that ..."

That's good! No broken bones! :) hope you get well soon! :)

I know he was protecting her from his 'curse' if only he knew the curse was (view spoiler) (for those who haven't read CP)


message 1476: by Noor (new)

Noor (noor_a) | 273 comments Ana wrote: "Yes!! Will teaching Tessa to speak Welsh would be soooo awesome:)."

It would! Wouldn't it? I just wish it were possible! :(


message 1477: by Ana (new)

Ana | 70 comments I find it very cute when Will speaks Welsh especially in the teaser when he's with his sister :)
but yes I guess Tessa learning Mandarin makes sense.


message 1478: by Noor (new)

Noor (noor_a) | 273 comments Ana wrote: "I find it very cute when Will speaks Welsh especially in the teaser when he's with his sister :)
but yes I guess Tessa learning Mandarin makes sense."


Haha! Yeah I guess him speaking welsh is cute! But what's cuter is him being over-protective of Cecily. I mean if I were Cecily I'd hate it it. But it just shows that he lies his sister. And that's cute


message 1479: by T.J. (last edited Jul 16, 2012 03:17PM) (new)

T.J. | 226 comments Threaded blackness
woven beneath the skin
enterlaced with power
scars dancing in unison

Patterns of detail
swirling on his back
prepared for battle
giving their strength he may lack.

glowing blades
sheathed to his side
metal on metal
a hissing they cried

through the night
the war was fierce
at the hilt of a sword
his heart now pierced.

A light then came
as white as a dove
seperating him
from the truest of love.
---Scars

Sorry, just needed to post this.


message 1480: by Noor (new)

Noor (noor_a) | 273 comments Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Threaded blackness
woven beneath the skin
enterlaced with power
scars dancing in unison

Patterns of detail
swirling on his back
prepared for battle
giving their strength he may lack.

glowing blad..."


Did you write that?


message 1481: by T.J. (new)

T.J. | 226 comments yeah. Just now:)


message 1482: by Daylighter, Mizpah (new)

Daylighter (pantea13) | 1431 comments Mod
Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "yeah. Just now:)"

That's amazing =)


message 1483: by T.J. (new)

T.J. | 226 comments Thank you. I like poetry. I will try to write a few to post them.


message 1484: by T.J. (new)

T.J. | 226 comments My family is dead
my fate is decided
heavy like lead
I cannot be confided

I will die
I will die
there is no compromise.

What's done is done
What hope is there?
There's simply none.
My burden to share.

I will die
I will die
It cannot be prevented.

Many years to follow
I won't live to see
but my panic to swallow
for her, for me.

I will die
I will die
Only prolonging the end.

She will stay here
my home and comfort
with nothing to fear
once my life is cut short.

--I Will Die, Will Die.


message 1485: by Enelra (new)

Enelra | 104 comments Noor wrote: "Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "“Wo wei ni xie de,” he said, as he raised the violin to his left shoulder, tucking it under his chin. He had told her many violinists used a shoulder rest, but he did not:..."

Of course Tessa would be spending more time with Jem because she is engaged to him already. and you know, its also possible that Will would want to stay away from her and Jem to give them privacy and not to be tormented ...
honestly, im going to be totally devastated if ID ends up with Will and Tessa not together...


message 1486: by T.J. (new)

T.J. | 226 comments Poor Will! He shouldn't have to go through this, the guy deserves a break, and, more importantly, Tessa!

And thank you, Fari.


message 1487: by T.J. (new)

T.J. | 226 comments Yes they are. Both have to be immortal. Please, oh please, Cassie!


message 1488: by Daylighter, Mizpah (new)

Daylighter (pantea13) | 1431 comments Mod
But Will isn't immortal, even if he were to be a Silent Brother.


message 1489: by Noor (new)

Noor (noor_a) | 273 comments Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "yeah. Just now:)"

OMG you are talented! :)


message 1490: by Noor (new)

Noor (noor_a) | 273 comments Daylighter wrote: "But Will isn't immortal, even if he were to be a Silent Brother."

Yeah. Daylighter is right! Unlesssss.. He becomes a vamp which I doubt. Plus for some reason I dont like the idea of will as a vampire. Maybe it's the prospect of him sucking blood.


message 1491: by Noor (new)

Noor (noor_a) | 273 comments Fari wrote: "You know how the dark sisters turned Church the cat into an immortal, maybe they do that to Will too?"

YEAH MAYBE!!! :D


message 1492: by T.J. (new)

T.J. | 226 comments My request is only two words long!
Will. Lives.

See? One, two. If they care so much to save a cat, a cat, they will saive Will!

And thanks, Noor!


message 1493: by Enelra (new)

Enelra | 104 comments Daylighter wrote: "But Will isn't immortal, even if he were to be a Silent Brother."

really? I assumed that Silent BRothers are also immortal.


message 1494: by Ana (new)

Ana | 70 comments I don't like the idea of Will being a vampire either. I remember in Clockwork Angel he looks at Camille and is bothered by the way her beauty is like the beauty of pressed dead flowers and that she doesnt have a scent.

It would just be horrible if the most alive and human character in the whole series became undead, I just can't imagine Will to be all cold and without a heart that beats :(


message 1495: by T.J. (new)

T.J. | 226 comments Wait a sec, I thought Shadowhunters died when they are bitten by vampires. What twith the holy water on all. I think I need to read them again.


message 1496: by Daylighter, Mizpah (new)

Daylighter (pantea13) | 1431 comments Mod
Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Wait a sec, I thought Shadowhunters died when they are bitten by vampires. What twith the holy water on all. I think I need to read them again."

The holy water stops the transition, not cause it kills them.


message 1497: by Enelra (new)

Enelra | 104 comments yes with daylighter.
remember Luke? a full pledge shadowhunter bitten by a warewolf turned into a warewolf. so there is also this possibility that Will could become a vampire. (though i dont like it, for me it would be a bearable ending for ID as long as Will and tessa shall be together)

Just wondering about the reincarnation issue - that Clary and Jace is the reincarnation of Will and Tessa. How can it be if Tessa is immortal?

confused. need help.


message 1498: by Daylighter, Mizpah (new)

Daylighter (pantea13) | 1431 comments Mod
Enelra wrote: "yes with daylighter.
remember Luke? a full pledge shadowhunter bitten by a warewolf turned into a warewolf. so there is also this possibility that Will could become a vampire. (though i dont like ..."


It's not possible, I don't know who came up with that theory.


message 1499: by [deleted user] (new)

*SPOILERISH* But I swore it already mentioned in one of the books that Will dies eventually since Magnus refers to him in past tense. So I don't think he becomes a vampire... *SPOILER OVER*


message 1500: by Daylighter, Mizpah (new)

Daylighter (pantea13) | 1431 comments Mod
Rayzel wrote: "*SPOILERISH* But I swore it already mentioned in one of the books that Will dies eventually since Magnus refers to him in past tense. So I don't think he becomes a vampire... *SPOILER OVER*"

I know what you're talking about, it's from CoFA.


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