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Team Will vs. Team Jem
But she doesn't age! That would imply that she can be with Will only for a little while and that's just depressing.
Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "But she doesn't age! That would imply that she can be with Will only for a little while and that's just depressing."i still dont get where it confirms that she is a warlock and that she doesnt age
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i still dont get where it confirms that she is a warl..."
CoFA & Magnus's Vow
Daylighter wrote: "Ashlee wrote: "Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "But she doesn't age! That would imply that she can be with Will only for a little while and that's just depressing."i still dont get where it confirms tha..."
so its says that she is a warlock for sure AND that she is immortal and cant have kids or just that she is a warlock
Ashlee wrote: "Daylighter wrote: "Ashlee wrote: "Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "But she doesn't age! That would imply that she can be with Will only for a little while and that's just depressing."i still dont get wh..."
Haha. To be honest. You are really confusing me. :)
I don't care who Tessa end up with. As long as she doesn't break the friendship bewteen Will and Jem, I'll not curse and damn her. :) And burn the book, and throw it away.
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i still dont get wh..."
It says she's immortal, no mention of being able to have kids or if she's a warlock or not.
"Tessa, who like him, had loved a mortal, someone who was destined to die as she was not.
Magnus replaced the photograph in the trunk. He shook his head, as if he could clear it from memories. There was a reason he rarely opened the trunk. Memories weighed him down, reminded him of what he had once had but no longer did no longer, Jem, Will, Jessamine, Henry, Charlotte — in a way it was amazing that he still remembered their names. But then, knowing them had changed his life."__Magnus's Vow
“She smiled. Her skin looked whiter than he recalled, and dark spidery veins were beginning to show beneath its surface. Her hair was still the color of spun silver and her eyes were still green as a cat’s. She was still beautiful. Looking at her, he was in London again. He saw the gaslight and smelled the smoke and dirt and horses, the metallic tang of fog, the flowers in Kew Gardens. He saw a boy with black hair and blue eyes like Alec’s, heard violin music like the sound of silver water. He saw a girl with long brown hair and a serious face. In a world where everything went away from him eventually, she was one of the few remaining constants.
And then there was Camille.”__CoFA
Does this mean Brother Zachariah is neither Will nor Jem. Because Magnus specifically says that he didn't have them around any longer...
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Well it does say few remaining constants, there's Ragnor Fell and Tessa for sure. Camille's already mentioned, anyone else.? BTW the epilogue of CP2 is called London, 2007.
Ugh! Why did Cassie have to immortalize anyone to begin with! I would be happy if Tessa and Will just ended up together and lived to a ripe old age with many children and grandchildren. I hate how one lifetime isn't enough for people. Especially in this situation where one may out live the other T_T
Yeah, I hate that, too. Is anyone else getting the feeling that in COHF, Alec might die or Magnus will lose his immortality?And is it possible that Brother Zachariah might be Gideon or some Lightwood? But then again, B. Z. took an interest in Jace when, if he is a Lightwood, he should have been more interested in Alec and Isabelle.
And I keep thinking that Imogen may be the daughter of Tessa! Unless that's not far back enough...
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And is it possible that Brother Zachariah might be Gideon or some Ligh..."
I've said this before somewhere on this group, it's not possible or logical for Imogen to be Tessa's daughter.
Yes, because I believe that Tessa is infertile.
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Tessa being fertile or not is beside the point. Imogen was most likely born somewhere in the 1950's, while TID takes place in 1878!
It would be sad though if Tessa was infertile. Is it not true that Will has to (or most likely) have children since the Herondale name is passed on to future generations? Unless he has a hidden brother or cousin we don't know about. Meaning he can't be brother Zachariah since he stated in CoLS that he never had children. So Will is most likely going to have children with someone, but if it isn't Tessa then who? Jessamine...HA! So based on this I think (and hope) the ending of CP2 will work out in Team Will's favor :DTessa&Will <3
Laura wrote: "It would be sad though if Tessa was infertile. Is it not true that Will has to (or most likely) have children since the Herondale name is passed on to future generations? Unless he has a hidden bro..."But there's always the possibility of Jem giving his child (assuming he has one) the Herondale family name after Will sacrificed himself (assuming he did and became Bro Z.) for Jem. (Which would continue the Herondale family line) And Emma Carstairs MIGHT not be Jem's descendent. (Idk, I just saw this theory somewhere some time ago...)
I'm beginning to think that Emma Carstairs is definitely a descendent of Jem's. Mostly because Will's descendent (Jace) already features in the TMI series so it makes sense that Cassie would write a series on Jem's descendent next. I mean it's only fair that both their descendents get books written on them! :)
This leads me to think that both of them had families of their own and neither became a silent brother (at least that's what I hope:))
but where does this leave Tessa...?
What if Tessa is like half and half of something? Like, half fairy and warlock? Maybe that would explain her immortality but still with the capacity to have children. It's weird, different, and an extremely odd idea but I think Clare might do something to that degree.And as for the Imogen thing, then I think she is a of Tessa if she is capable of bearing children. I got my dates mixed up cuz for some reason, I thought Inquisitors could live longer but, obviously not.
But what if she was injected with warlock blood??? That would make a total connection between Mortmain and Valentine cuz they both experimented on people.
Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "What if Tessa is like half and half of something? Like, half fairy and warlock? Maybe that would explain her immortality but still with the capacity to have children. It's weird, different, and an ..."I was thinking the same thing because when a species mixes with Shadowhunters, the Shadowhunter side wins out, but some characteristics of the other species can be present. Since, in Clockwork Prince, everyone was so sure that a demon and a nephelim couldn't create a child together, that is exactly what I think Tessa is. She's mostly Shadowhunter with Demon/warlock capabilities. Which cloud make her still fertile but also immortal, depending on what Cassandra decides is best for that mix. (But what does that make Sebastian?)
Laura wrote: "Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "What if Tessa is like half and half of something? Like, half fairy and warlock? Maybe that would explain her immortality but still with the capacity to have children. It's..."Is Sebastian a shadowhunter or a downworlder?
Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Laura wrote: "Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "What if Tessa is like half and half of something? Like, half fairy and warlock? Maybe that would explain her immortality but still with the capacity to have ..."I thought he's a Shadowhunter? Only he's got some demon blood...
Dark Nephilim. I think. He has Demon + (Angel+Human) blood...
No, Tessa I think, is human (or fairy) with Warlock blood injected inside her. Both TMI and TID are SOOO similar that this would make perfect sense. (Plus the whole Mortmain like Valentine, possible ancestor thing).
Shadowhunter Girl wrote: ".......If she ends up with Jem, I will drive to the Grand Canyon and throw the book in its depths to never be read by any individual ever again! .....If she ends up with no one, I will burn the boo..."HAHA! I loved the last line: "Kidding much? Hah. Deadly serious." Im smiling, which is ironic because your serious... :D
Fari wrote: "But Tessa isn`t any part shadowhunter because like remember how in the beginning of CA, when she`s getting rescued by (the-oh-so-dreamy) Will from the dark house, and she holds the witchlight, it d..."HMmmm... you have a point... but maybe its angel blood not shadowhunter!
Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "But what if she was injected with warlock blood??? That would make a total connection between Mortmain and Valentine cuz they both experimented on people."OMG! OK i dunno if you'll believe me or not but today I literally came up with the same idea! it could be that mortmain mixed warlock blood and angel blood or any other type of blood. That would make her have warlock powers without the whole complication that warlocks cant have kids.
PLUS it explains why mortmain made tessa. His parents were warlocks that adopted him so maybe when his parents died he became obsessed with the idea of trying to find a way to make warlocks have offspring. What do you guys think?
Fari wrote: "But Tessa isn`t any part shadowhunter because like remember how in the beginning of CA, when she`s getting rescued by (the-oh-so-dreamy) Will from the dark house, and she holds the witchlight, it d..."WAIT the theory i just posted explains it (maybe) her warlock blood prevents the witchlight from working?
BTW wait!! there might be a loophole there. Sebastian had demon blood (stronger than warlock blood) but Witchlight worked for him. Didn't it? Wait did it?
Laura wrote: "Ugh! Why did Cassie have to immortalize anyone to begin with! I would be happy if Tessa and Will just ended up together and lived to a ripe old age with many children and grandchildren. I hate how ..."Totally agree with you girl! i also hate the immortal part of the story.
Noor wrote: "Fari wrote: "But Tessa isn`t any part shadowhunter because like remember how in the beginning of CA, when she`s getting rescued by (the-oh-so-dreamy) Will from the dark house, and she holds the wit..."This reminds me of the Magnus and Alec scene where *Spoiler for CoLS* (view spoiler)
This either means that *Spoiler for no particular reason. Just hiding it in case* (view spoiler)
Anyway, this doesn't really concern what you said much except the '(maybe) her warlock blood prevents the witchlight from working' part. Ah, just saying. :)
Maybe Tessa is not a warlock, she is a........clare will find a species for her,
And she can still give birth to a child
I mean she doesn't have a warlock mark
And she can still give birth to a child
I mean she doesn't have a warlock mark
Ash wrote: "Maybe Tessa is not a warlock, she is a........clare will find a species for her,And she can still give birth to a child
I mean she doesn't have a warlock mark"
But that doesn't mean and confirm that she's not a warlock right? Oh well. Shall read to find out.
I'm quite convinced that she's injected with warlock blood. Like maybe she is a faerie (and maybe a changeling) and Mortmain injected warlock blood into her.
Fari wrote: "But Tessa isn`t any part shadowhunter because like remember how in the beginning of CA, when she`s getting rescued by (the-oh-so-dreamy) Will from the dark house, and she holds the witchlight, it d..."Maybe you need to know that you are a shadow hunter for the withclight to work. remember at city of bones, Jace gave Clary the withchlight ( she doesnt know that she was a shadowhunter then) did it continue to shine? cant remember, ill review the book later.
Tessa wrote: "Also its kinda funny reading through the posts cuz i had a crush on a guy named William in 6th grade :) he was super scarcastic too :)"O.O!!!!
Woah! What a coincidence!
Belle2908 wrote: "This reminds me of the Magnus and Alec scene where *Spoiler for CoLS* (view spoiler)This either means that *Spoiler for no particular reason. Just hiding it in case* (view spoiler)
Anyway, this doesn't really concern what you said much except the '(maybe) her warlock blood prevents the witchlight from working' part. Ah, just saying. :) "
Random point, but are you sure that was in CoLS..
Anyway back to what you are saying... YOU HAVE A POINT! NICE! I forgot about that!
Belle2908 wrote: "I'm quite convinced that she's injected with warlock blood. Like maybe she is a faerie (and maybe a changeling) and Mortmain injected warlock blood into her."Ok mine and fari's theory:
Mortmain wanted revenge on Aloysius starkweather since he was one of the people that took part in the killing of his parents, and has warlock spoils. To avenge his parents he asked the faeries to conduct a changeling kidnnapping on Adele Starkweather, his daughter. (so switching adele with a weak faery) The faery replacement for adele died when the rune was placed on her.
Mortmain used the real shadowhunter adele for experimentation. He injected her with warlock blood, and he made Tessa (so adele is her mother). This explains why aloysius recognises her, she resembles her mum, Adele, aloysius's daughter.
Then mortmain had to find a family for tessa so she can grow up where he can watch her slowly, so he put her under the care of his employee at that time (tessa's so-called-father) or made them believe she was her daughter. Remember tessa's so-called-father was getting involved with the pandamonium club. Then the gray family left Britain to go to New York, then Harriet had a son and Elizabeth (tessa's so-called- mother) took care of nate to protect harriet's reputation. When she died she gave nate and tessa to harriet!
If tessa's adoptive mum (elizabeth gray) knew about Tessa's powers she could have gotten a warlock to make the clockwork angel that would protect tessa. The angel would have angel spirit bound to it (remember the clockwork creatures (automen) mortmain made had demon spirits bound to them) There would be symbolism since the angel has an angel bound to it.
If her mum was Adele, a shadowhunter married to a human (mortmain could have arranged this), then her mum would have half angel blood, half human, making Tessa quarter demon (warlock blood injected by Mortmain not full on demon), a quarter angel (mother is a shadowhunter) and half human (dad and warlock blood together)!
sebastian had shadowhunter parents, but was inflicted with full on demon blood not half demon, half human (warlock) so he became evil.
This explains why tessa isnt evil she was inflicted with warlock blood which has less demon in it than full on demon blood, so Tessa is more human than sebastian.
She has angel blood in her fighting the demon part/ mark, allowing her to have kids (possibly) and strengthens her power (since remember she has unusually strong powers compared to a warlock who can shape shift- normal warlocks cant access memories or thoughts.) The demon part gives her, her abilities. The human part also allows her to have kids (possibly), and human feelings.
Good theory. Okay, I am totally gonna mention something off the subject here:Isabelle where's a red-stoned Necklace right? Well, in one of Will's flashbacks wasn't his older sister wearing the same necklace????
Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Good theory. Okay, I am totally gonna mention something off the subject here:Isabelle where's a red-stoned Necklace right? Well, in one of Will's flashbacks wasn't his older sister wearing the sa..."
I am 99% sure that it is camille who wears the same necklace as izzy. Cassie confirmed it! I made a similar mistake in that I thought jessamine wore izzy's ruby.
Thanks glad you liked our theory! Can you find any loopholes?
Does Tessa have any resemblance to her parents? I forgot if the books mention that Tessa has like, the dark hair of her mother's or something. If there is an actual physical resemblance, then I think those would be her biological parents, concuring in some other possible result that is not adoption.
I'm not sure if it was ever mentioned! But you are right if that is the case then the whole theory would be contradicted! Thanks! I will try to look for anything that says what Elizabeth and Richard look like!
Noor wrote: "Belle2908 wrote: "I'm quite convinced that she's injected with warlock blood. Like maybe she is a faerie (and maybe a changeling) and Mortmain injected warlock blood into her."Ok mine and fari's ..."
Woah okay so I read your theory and it makes alot of sense.
Only I wanted to know why Mortmain went to all this trouble, I mean if he didn't like Starkweather then why not just kill Tessa? or make her solely evil (like sebastian), and save himself the threat of Tessa being good and turning against him. Unless he's got some important plans for her that we'll see revealed in CP2.
Also, Tessa's abilities are considered quite unique even amongst the shadowhunters/downworlders. Is it the fact that her mother was experimented on that made her get these abilities? did mortmain know he was going to create someone who could shapeshift?
Lastly, according to your theory what is Tessa classed as? is she a downworlder? or something else? and will this be an obstacle against which ever boy wants to marry her. Since technically downworlders and shadowhunters aren't supposed to marry, especially in that time.
Will one of them have to become a mundane for her? If so then there are alot of parallels between Will and his father e.g. his father became a mundane for his mother.
Ana wrote: "Noor wrote: "Belle2908 wrote: "I'm quite convinced that she's injected with warlock blood. Like maybe she is a faerie (and maybe a changeling) and Mortmain injected warlock blood into her."Ok min..."
Love your questions!!!! Yes he has plans for her I feel like he used Adele to make Tessa and use her as a weapon against the shadowhunters to get rid of them forever. He has been planning for a really long time! The reason he kidnapped adele : 1) revenge 2) (i'll have to add this) to experiment! And make a weapon to defeat the Clave! He planned on making tessa to use her which is why he didn't kill her or Adele! He needed adele! He knew it from the very beginning! Remember in CP how he purposely 'gave' the herondales his old parents home?? He planned that so that he would have Will in his control (blackmail). So he planned everything! I can't even begin to fathom what he'll do with Tessa or will and how he'll use them as a weapon. I just know he needs her ability and him.
Having said that, I don't think it's possible to predict what type of warlock you'll get or what powers the warlock can have. So mortmain would have to have done multiple experiments on Adele until he got a baby who can shapeshift. He was looking for her ability! (FARI!!! My theory making buddy-what do you think? You know since the first part was our theory we have to figure this part out together!! Thoughts?)
Yes it's the (experiments) warlock blood that was injected in her pregnant mum that made her unique!!
I wouldn't know what to classify her as. She's not downworlder or shadowhunter. I would say she is in the middle. But knowing the clave's thinking, I'd say they would see her as a downworlder despite her mum being shadowhunter)
Remember Jem is engaged to Tessa and Jem said that they would stay that way until the clave can decide what to do with them. He said they would have to discuss the matter and figure out her 'special' case so I agree with Jem. She is a special case, the clave would have to discuss it. They probably will allow the marriage (since there is a teaser that is along th lines of "and the gold of her ruined wedding dress" implying she was getting married meaning the clave approved of her marriage to a shadowhunter) also I am will fan too!!! So I do hope somehow tessa and will can be together
Btw will's dad is still shadowhunter he's just not allowed to contact any other shadowhunters, not allowed to fight demons etc. -basically he was exiled. If he was mundane then Will would be mundane too! So herondale are still shadowhunter! Just not allowed to part take in 'shadowhunting'
Yeah that's possible! I could be predicting the clave's decision incorrectly! Will or Jem might have to leave the clave if they want to marry Tess (like will's dad- and like you said it would be repeating history in wills case!) :)
Please ask more, clarify more, I love your questions, they made me think and develop the theory further!
FARI DO YOU AGREE WITH THIS ADDED PART OF THE THEORY??? This is OUR THEORY!! So I can't make final descisions without you!!!
Fari wrote: "Cleopatra wrote: "Wasn't there this guy that was a very good automan builder but he died? I think Tessa is just one of his creations... I'm pretty sure Mortmain tried to recreate his work..."
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dont think so....
guys, i do agree that Mortmain wanted revenge on Aloysius Starkweather for killing his warlock adoptive parents, but my question is:Q: if he kidnaps the human Elizabeth and replaced it with a faerie, what happen to the real one? the human elizabeth.
I also think there wasnt any blood injection involved. remember the Lighwood party Tessa and Will attended with where they tried the faerie dust? (i hope my term is right. and i also remember Jace and Clary tasting it also at CoLS)I have a feeling this was used on Tessa's mother and being under the influence of it, made it easy for Mortmain to do trick her into believing that she is with her husband.
I also dont agree that MOrtmain planted Tessa's father. Its possible that after being married to a mundane, mOrtmain made it sure that he will have a direct connection with Tessa's father making him one of his close companion/employee.
Harriet having Nate was just a coincidence. Mortmain didnt planned it.
I think the clockwork angel was made by the faeries. they are in to making enchanted jewelries (i.e. faerie ring).
these are my theories: (again!)Shadowhunter + demon = cannot be. the result is demon pox to the shadowhunter involved.
Shadowhunter + warlock = cannot be. Warlocks cannot have kids. There is also a doubt of Tessa being a shadowhunter because the witchlight given to her by will stopped shining when she held it.
Shadowhunter + Faerie = Possible. Maybe she is under a strong glamour (the clockwork angel could be the magic to hide her true self - faeries can do it)Thats why she doesnt look different.(remember nate before dying begging tessa to never remove her clockwork angel?).
Faeries can put glamour to themselves. Maybe a faerie working for MOrtmain disguise himself as Mr. Gray and sleep with Tessa's mother. (its possible!)
and Mortmain, after learning the pregnancy of Elizabeth invited her to one of his parties. drug her then injected her with a demon blood. a lesser demon, an eidolon demon.Thus making Tessa unique. Immortal because of the faerie blood with extra powers (from the demon blood) and a warrior because of her shadowhunter blood.
i just wonder why did brother Enoch didnt saw Tessa as other being but only as a warlock with an eidolon blood.
and Cassies description of Tessa is always "a young warlock girl".
is it possible that after being injected of a demon blood her being a shadowhunter was washed away?thats the reason why the witchlight doesnt work for her.
She is ofcourse not like Sebastian because the demon blood injected to her was from a lesser demon only whereas with Sebastian his demon blood donor was none other but Lilith herself.
just thinking ....
so, there have been a lot of theories on how it is possible that there is a Emma Carstairs and how is it possible because Jem is an only child and Tessa can't be pregnant because she is a warlock................. but she can be pregnant, this is just a theory i thought of, but anyway, Tessa's parents are shadowhunters and warlock right, so shadowhunter blood is dominant which means Tessa is a shadowhunter but sometimes warlock blood can express itself in odd ways, so Tessa got a shape-shifting power. Which makes sense and means that Tessa can give birth to children.
THIS IS JUST A THEORY,but i hope it makes sense.
THIS IS JUST A THEORY,but i hope it makes sense.
Lmao...Yes. I like your theory, Ash.
But I think all warlocks are infertile. And thus, their blood are well... immune to give birth?
Therefore, despite whatever powers they got, they still can't conceive.
Ah. Tessa. Oh well... It's good in a way. Look on the bright side. (:
Enelra wrote: "these are my theories: (again!)Shadowhunter + demon = cannot be. the result is demon pox to the shadowhunter involved.
Shadowhunter + warlock = cannot be. Warlocks cannot have kids. There is als..."
With a faerie parent you should have faerie features, remember Helen blackthorn in CoLS she is shadowhunter but way back down her line she has a faerie ansecstor and that caused her to have pointy ears. So why doesn't Tessa have a faerie feature?
Enelra wrote: "guys, i do agree that Mortmain wanted revenge on Aloysius Starkweather for killing his warlock adoptive parents, but my question is:Q: if he kidnaps the human Elizabeth and replaced it with a faer..."
To answer your question- he switched ADELE with a faerie, then used real adele to make Tessa and GAVE TESSA to Elizabeth! So Elizabeth was never switched!!
Your theory makes sense. With faeries making the angel! And stuff!
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the book has been simaliar to the tale of two cities hasnt it? I think that cassandra clare wanted us to think the ending would be like it too so she could put a twist on it. if it ends like the tale of two cities wouldnt it end with will dying and tessa ending up with jem? I dont believe that she would make a new series just so she can copy another book. thats why i think that tessa is either going to end up with will or no one.