The Infernal Devices discussion
Team Will vs. Team Jem
Jacob is nice. I like him.I don't know about the dying boy and the scarred girl thing, but well... But I dont like the idea of so many people dying.
I thought Sophia said she got over Jem? O.o??
Maybe she did...maybe she didn't. And I don't want people to die either. Or there's the alternative...Where instead of TID, a snippet is in COHF and all Lightwoods die besides Isabelle or Alec. I think I'd prefer Gideon's death than Maryse's and Robert's and Alec or Isabelle. No, no, no.And Jacob is such a hyprocrite in BD. First, he wants to kill Renesmee, and then he won't even let Bella near her own baby when Bella was the only one (with the help of Rosalie) insisting her to live?
I liked him in New Moon and Twilight but that's it.
Lol. No. I would not prefer his death to their death!Yep. That just fueled me into hating Bella more. :)
Bella wasn't sooo bad in my opinion...yes she was a very weak female lead and acted a bit lifeless and every film and was pretty whiney...Okay, so, yeah, she isn't great. But I love Emmet. That will never change. I think...I think Tessa has either a son or her child is Imogen the inquisitor. She's Jace's grandmother and Stephen's mother....It would be pretty cool.
I know. -.- I read the book. Is Imogen that old? I dont think so though. Can Tessa even have a child?Who is Emmet? I forgot.
Charlotte wrote: "Will might be a cliched character, but at least he keeps us entertained. Whereas, Jem is so so bland and flat it is kind of frustrating really. You see, Will at least has issues and that is what ma..."Be careful now who is "we" hopefully not everyone is entertained by Wills exaggerAted antics he fails to be entertaining to me at all
Emma wrote: "Charlotte wrote: "Will might be a cliched character, but at least he keeps us entertained. Whereas, Jem is so so bland and flat it is kind of frustrating really. You see, Will at least has issues a..."Obviously "we" refers to Will fans or people who might have opinions similar to mine. That is implied automatically when anyone reads it.
Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Whose saying he is like the teens from our century?Will just seems the most natural. To me, that is."
Lmao do some research on teens from other centuries they were more adult at 12 than most of us are at 18 so that argument is out
Daylighter wrote: "Emma wrote: "Flora wrote: "Emma wrote: "Flora wrote: "Emma wrote: "Belle2908 wrote: "Emma wrote: "Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "At the first mentioning of a curse in book two, I immediately thought, Oh..."Smh healthy teenage behavior at base is the ability to deal with your issues in a way that is Advance from the basic behaviors employed by most people in their prepubecent years...... He is simply not doing that while curses and monsters are not a normal part of my life they are for his.
So, you're saying Will should grow up a bit and become more mature? And instead of being sarcastic and funny, be a serious, don't-mess-with-me guy? O.o??
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You do realize that's impossible right? TID takes place in 1878, Jace was born around 1990.
Emma wrote: "Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Whose saying he is like the teens from our century?Will just seems the most natural. To me, that is."
Lmao do some research on teens from other centuries they were more..."
It depends on their circumstances. If they have to be/act mature by 12, then they will be, because it's essential. It's just the way things are for them.
Same for Will, his situation didn't quite allow him to act too, um, 'maturely'. Yet. (Tho I don't find him immature at all...) So give him time; I'm sure he'll be an even better character by the next book once the shock of his fake curse subsides and all that. :)
Um!!!! Doesn't he pretty much say that his real self isn't a sarcastic, funny, "don't mess with me or you'll be gettin da pox" kind of guy? He's actually a gentle dude. In the next one I think we'll all get to see how sweet and good natured he truly is.
Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Um!!!! Doesn't he pretty much say that his real self isn't a sarcastic, funny, "don't mess with me or you'll be gettin da pox" kind of guy? He's actually a gentle dude. In the next one I think we'l..."NoNo, I'm absolutely positive that Will's real self is funny and sarcastic (I love him for that!) But he wasn't able to fully express himself when he thought he had the curse because he could not show his gentle side.
Since @Emma thought that Will was immature to be acting like that, (always sulking or whatever) I'm just trying to say that maybe she'll understand Will better in CP2 because he'll be a more loving and approachable character then. (And maybe act more 'maturely') -w-
Yeah, I agree. Although, I don't think Will is truly as sarcastic as he acts. He is some which I also love him for, but I think his true self is a little less sarcastic but much more funny and alive (if that's even possible:)
Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Um!!!! Doesn't he pretty much say that his real self isn't a sarcastic, funny, "don't mess with me or you'll be gettin da pox" kind of guy? He's actually a gentle dude. In the next one I think we'l..."So, so true!
He did say at the end of CP that he will let everyone know about the curse when the time comes. So surely, he is going to stop pretending to be bad and sarcastic as well. :)
I wanna seeI wanna seeI wanna see the real Will!!! I don't have to read it to know that he is just as sweet as Jem. Will kind of is Jem just with emotioal depth and humor. I wrote a fanfiction continuation on here and I hope it goes that way!
yeah, I think he'll still be sarastic,too. Just not as much.
Hail team Will, everyone!
He is the best gud looking guy i know from the 19th century
He is the best gud looking guy i know from the 19th century
Flora wrote: "So, you're saying Will should grow up a bit and become more mature? And instead of being sarcastic and funny, be a serious, don't-mess-with-me guy? O.o??"NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.....
Well from what I interpreted from the books is that when 10 year old Will thought he had a curse that would kill anyone who loved him, he put up a wall so that people did not love him. His wall consisted of being sarcastic (this pushed people away since his sarcasm bites sometimes.) He is is gentler and kinder on the inside but he couldn't afford to show it. He cares for those he loves on the inside but he couldn't afford to show it. He didn't want anyone feeling bad for him because that sometimes leads to love, and so he tried to be funny so people would think he was ok and wasn't hurting. After so many years of pretending to be someone he wasnt, it slowly became a part of him. Which is why I think Cassie said that it would be hard for him to go back to 10 year old Will's personality because he got used to being cold sarcastic will, though it is a part of him now, the gentle will was the original will.
I think in CP2 he will be sarcastic and yet show his gentle kind side as well, but it will be hard for him to balance the two, he will be confused about who he really is. (all this is just an opinion)
Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "I think he was twelve, right???"i thought he was 10... oh gosh ur right... he WAS 12... awkward! SORRY GUYS!
Noor wrote: "Well from what I interpreted from the books is that when 10 year old Will thought he had a curse that would kill anyone who loved him, he put up a wall so that people did not love him. His wall con..."Haha, I think that'll be nice. It will be like our sarcastic Will but with moments of compassion and gentleness. How nice. :)
Plus, his confusion about who he really is would probably make it that much more satisfying when he learns to 'balance' his two different personalities and finds his 'true self'. *Can't wait for CP2!*
Cassie is torturing me! When months have passed and when you've read the ending soo many times and it still makes you cry, you know you are in love with the book and even moreso with the characters.Except you, Jem! Sorry, dude, I just don't like you very much.
Belle2908 wrote: Haha, I think that'll be nice. It will be like our sarcastic Will but with moments of compassion and gentleness. How nice. :)Plus, his confusion about who he really is would probably make it that much more satisfying when he learns to 'balance' his two different personalities and finds his 'true self'. *Can't wait for CP2!*"
Exactly! and yeah I am dying to read CP2 (ok not literally but it sure feels that way waiting....)
Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Cassie is torturing me! When months have passed and when you've read the ending soo many times and it still makes you cry, you know you are in love with the book and even moreso with the characters.Except you, Jem! Sorry, dude, I just don't like you very much.
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I know I love them so much! cant get enough. Lol the jem comment. I felt the same in Clockwork Angel, but surprisingly though I have come to like him(*like* not love no where near.)
Haha! thing is I can see why tessa likes him and I always wanted her to be with Will. (they seem so alike and its as if they were made for each other but on the other hand CP has made me want a happy ending for Jem too.) I dont think I'd bear it if either one died. And its becoming more likely.
I feel like CP2 will have an ending where the boys both die a honorable death and that Tessa wont get to choose but will grieve for them. and there can be other bloodlines that lead to a castairs in the Dark artificies. and maybe something that leads to a herondale. I doubt Will or Jem are brother Zacheriah.Cassie is tricking us into thinking it. She said so herself with comment going along the lines of you guys are thinking exactly what I want you to think. So..... yeah I dunno!!
CP2 CANT U COME FASTER!! D:
Flora wrote: "So, you're saying Will should grow up a bit and become more mature? And instead of being sarcastic and funny, be a serious, don't-mess-with-me guy? O.o??"I like Will just the way he is and that's why I love him.
Cheyanne wrote: "Flora wrote: "So, you're saying Will should grow up a bit and become more mature? And instead of being sarcastic and funny, be a serious, don't-mess-with-me guy? O.o??"I like Will just the way he..."
Same. But a Will that shows kind side would be really nice too. :)
I can't believe that Tessa will marry Jem. I mean, I love Jem, I do, he is the sweetest male character ever. But he is not the right one for Tessa.It's like this, if Will didn't exist, Tessa would be living happily ever after with Jem, having a great life with someone that she loves and that loves her back.
But there's Will, and there's no other better than him for Tessa. It's like he was made just for her. He's her soulmate and there's nothing we can do about it, with or without Jem. I'm sorry for Jem. But I'm seriously Team Will, and I can't change it.
Priscila wrote: "I can't believe that Tessa will marry Jem. I mean, I love Jem, I do, he is the sweetest male character ever. But he is not the right one for Tessa.It's like this, if Will didn't exist, Tessa would..."
I SOOOO AGREE WITH YOU! I mean i like Jem and he is sweet i wanna a happy ending for him but I think Will is her soulmate they were made for each other! It breaks my heart.
Although way back someone brought it to my attention that they might not get married. I dunno if you follow cassie's tumblr, but she posts lots of teasers and one of them was something like "and the gold of her ruined wedding dress" or the "and the ruins of her gold wedding dress"
so if you think about it the wedding might have been ruined or interupted by some epic event.. so dont lose your hope! will might be with tessa.
i think however that she will not end up with either. I feel like they might both die. That she wont get to pick. Because I cant find a way for her to be with Will or Jem.
She and Will will be guilty if Jem dies and that will pull them apart, if shes with jem, she will keep feeling things for Will and i feel like that will get in the way of things, If jem finds out then will and tess still cant be together because of guilt. So they must both die! I will probably cry my eyes out when it happens but i feel like it will. AHH!! :(
and then theres the fact that I can see cassie doing something unexpected, something no one will suspect...
Unless Jem asks Will to take care of Tessa for him because Tessa told Jem of Will's love for her! Don't dismiss that epic possibility. I couldn't really care much about what happens to Jem. No, I wish he didn't have to die, he's nice, but if his death is the only way for Tessa and Will to be together....I know that sounds bad I just think that Will and Tessa came from the same mold. They totally belong together in every possible way whereas her and Jem just...don't.
I swear. This conversation, or discussion, whatever is going nowhere. To me at least. Just like the team Gale, team Peeta discussion. -,-
The snippet Cassie posted recently on her Tumblr has really convinced me that one of them is going to die :(
Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Unless Jem asks Will to take care of Tessa for him because Tessa told Jem of Will's love for her! Don't dismiss that epic possibility. I couldn't really care much about what happens to Jem. No, I w..Yeah, Jem is a bit of a wet blanket. Sorry, but he needs to man up a bit!
Cassie will keep teasing us, but I won't let the spoilers get to me.I am pretty sure that either Tessa and Will end up together in the end or Tessa loses both as she goes on to live forever.
But my dirty side really wants a (view spoiler) between Tessa and Will. ^_^
Charlotte wrote: "Cassie will keep teasing us, but I won't let the spoilers get to me.I am pretty sure that either Tessa and Will end up together in the end or Tessa loses both as she goes on to live forever.
Bu..."
Tessa will eventually lose both, I think. Because one of them dies. The other would most likely be Brother Z. (And it's not like Tessa and Bro Z. are together...)
So ya, she'll lose both guys. :/
Unless Brother Z. is some other person. In that case, maybe the one who doesn't die finds a way to be with Tessa. MAYBE
And I SO WANT TESSA AND WILL TO BE TOGETHER! XD
I want to deny the possiblity of Will being Brother Z. as long as possible. That's an icky fate to have in the end. Those brothers are creepy.I messaged Cassie about Will or Jem being Brother Zachariah all she had to say about it was:
"Fan speculation is what fans are supposed to do! I hope they’re having fun with it!"
I'm not having fun with it! I am irritated! This is very painful. I can't stand the thought of Will dead and Tessa alive in TMI. So...I kind of want Will to be Brother Z. if the only alternative is death. No, no, no, Will mustn't die.
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Hey guys! umm i have a quick questoin... what book and page is it in the mortal instruments, where Clary has a dream of a 'prince who could not love'? Because i remeber wayyy back when cassie said something about how tha was one of the hints that she had for what will's secret was, and i just wanted to read back on it.
My prediction: Jem will die and Tessa will end up with Will.My opinion? I suppose I like Tessa with Will. I think they're better for each other, it's obvious Tessa cares for Will more
I would rather not have Will dead. I absolutely can't take that. And if he isn't going to end up with Tessa, he should at least get a decent girl to love (if that's possible). But it's probably not going to happen.
I'm gonna cry if Will doesn't end up with Tessa. Jem doesn't even know her that well. I bet he has a better chance of falling in love with someone else than Will has.
Ana wrote: "The snippet Cassie posted recently on her Tumblr has really convinced me that one of them is going to die :("what snippet? if one of the character at ID is going to die i would put my bet on one of the lightwood brothers. and then he was rescued by the silent brothers! maybe Will saved him thats why brother zachariah wants the best for Jace. again, just maybe.
Noor wrote: "Priscila wrote: "I can't believe that Tessa will marry Jem. I mean, I love Jem, I do, he is the sweetest male character ever. But he is not the right one for Tessa.It's like this, if Will didn't e..."
I have this bad feeling that Tessa isn't going to end up with either in the end too. But I think she's going to throw a twist in there somewhere (she mentioned the ending wouldn't be exactly what we expect...or something like that). Still trying to figure out who brother Zachariah is...someone who cares enough to try to save the Herondale line. I just hope she doesn't kill Will off, she'll have some pretty angry fans. But I have faith she knows what she's doing...I think lol
.......If she ends up with Jem, I will drive to the Grand Canyon and throw the book in its depths to never be read by any individual ever again! .....If she ends up with no one, I will burn the book and probably cry because then what's the point in reading the series just for that? .....If she ends up with Will, I WILL keep the book safe and unharmed.
Dramatic much? I think so. Kidding much? Hah! Deadly serious.
Shadowhunter Girl wrote: ".......If she ends up with Jem, I will drive to the Grand Canyon and throw the book in its depths to never be read by any individual ever again! .....If she ends up with no one, I will burn the boo..."Haha, I completely agree!
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And the last book was my favorite. He's too hard in the movies. And I swear, I still wanna shoot Jacob in BD.