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Team Will vs. Team Jem

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message 851: by Rania (new)

Rania | 138 comments no one has lol. he better!


message 852: by miguel (new)

miguel (oznim) Jem! and please edit and make changes to the post Jem is not blond, and he is in the cover of the 2nd book, Clockwork Prince (The Infernal Devices, #2) by Cassandra Clare


ᴀʀᴏᴛʜ [hiatus] (thelovelymsels) U got that right Raina


message 854: by [deleted user] (new)

' does will get married to tessa or no?' well as far ive heard shes getting married to JEM!


message 855: by Rania (new)

Rania | 138 comments Sns wrote: "' does will get married to tessa or no?' well as far ive heard shes getting married to JEM!"

wait have you read CP or not??


message 856: by Rania (new)

Rania | 138 comments Elizabeth wrote: "U got that right Raina"

Its Rania. lol you got the i and n mixed up.


message 857: by [deleted user] (new)

Yeah why? :)


message 858: by Rania (new)

Rania | 138 comments Well you were asking if tessa going to marry jem. if you read the book, ya she is. I think there will be a wedding but something will happen to stop it. i really hope so. Im team Will. i want him to be with tessa.


message 859: by [deleted user] (new)

I already know she's going to marry Jem was making a statement not asking a question because someone said 'is will going to marry tessa' so I said so far as were informed she's planning to marry Jem, but I'm so team will


message 860: by Rania (new)

Rania | 138 comments Ok awesome! :D


ᴀʀᴏᴛʜ [hiatus] (thelovelymsels) oh sorry didn't know how to spell your name right rania


message 862: by [deleted user] (new)

I found Will's curse to be too convenient. It gave him the excuse to be as horrible as he was, thus, I can't hate him as much as I'd like too. But then, what are we left with? If the (hilarious) hurtful sarcasm and boldness is all an act, then you have a young man who loves literature. Will, gentle and protective, with all the same, good qualities that you could find in Jem, maybe just as 'dull' as each other, as some might say. Truthfully, they're both a good choice, yet it's still too early to tell.

What I adored about Tessa is that unlike most female characters, she doesn't continue to idolize the man who treats her like crap. When the curse was still unknown, I think she was totally right in the head when leaning towards Jem. Yet now that she's faced with two equally good guys, I think we might start to see incredibly annoying back-and-forth action.

I just love Jem. He's the kind of person who stays consistently by your side when needed. He's kind, sweet and understanding, and of course that can come off as too dull or perfect, but one of the things that stuck out to me the most when reading the book is that we should never take that for granted. He's dying, for Pete's sake. He remains calm and optimistic when God knows it takes all the effort in the world just to manage a smile. I find it incredibly admirable that he's not off sulking at some opium den. But when he broke, and we get to see the anger and sadness that boils beneath him, and the unfairness that he's probably just a patient to Nurse Tessa, I started to ball like a damn baby. How is it like in the real world, when your loved one is suffering from a disease and you can practically hear the time ticking away? And the make-out scene. Jem being so literally fragile and so self-conscious about the fact that he doesn't have washboard abs, was totally endearing.

Near the end, when Tessa seemingly makes the decision, I do sympathize for Will...yet I didn't find it too tragic. In Magnus' own words (He's a BOSS) how is your life possibly ruined yet, if you've only still lived seventeen years of it? Let's face it, they're seventeen. However passionate, it's really just young love, and if Will doesn't end up with Tessa, we all know the Herondale line will continue eventually. And if I sound extremely biased, that goes for all teenage fictional characters, even Jem if he was in a different situation. They'll all find somebody new, if things do not work out, even if it's not within the time period of the books. And let's say Tessa can't in fact have children? What about Jace? :(

And we still can't ignore that the two guys are parabatai. I don't even think I want to touch the next book, it'll be so terrible for all of them.


message 863: by saga (new)

saga (iyagi) I'm team Willem c:


message 864: by Vixen (new)

Vixen  | 461 comments WILLIAAAAAMMMMMMMMMM


ᴀʀᴏᴛʜ [hiatus] (thelovelymsels) You like will vixen because I do! ^_^


message 866: by Vixen (new)

Vixen  | 461 comments OMG YES he is awesome

the amount he had to isolate himself, and be nasty and try to make people hate him just so that he could protect them.....if thats not noble, i dont know what is
he even made sure people he didnt even like hate him. like the lightwoods sister, when she wrote in her diary about liking will and he read it out loud to everyone. he didnt have to worry about what happens to her cuz he didnt even like her but he couldnt let the curse affect her too...so in ways he is more pure at heart than even jem is, you know. so now we'll get to see his sensitive side, but i dont think hes gonna completely lose all his sarcasm and wit because he doesnt want to hurt jem and so to make sure nothing is suspicious between him and tessa, and not protect his own feelings, he'll still be a bit sarcastic and happy, and be the will that we know sang about Demon Pox


ᴀʀᴏᴛʜ [hiatus] (thelovelymsels) LOL at least someone agrees with me. I agree at least now he can live his life the way he wants to no one else's will he marry tessa later on or no?


message 868: by Vixen (new)

Vixen  | 461 comments oh goddess honeslty from what ive gathered, its not gonna be a happy ending either way

idk i feel like somehow jem will find out about will and tessas feelings but i also believe jem is gonna die and either before he dies or on his death bed, hes gonna give his blessing to them both to be together and probably make will vow to protect her and love her always and i think will and tessa might be happy together....but then again, clockwork princess is the last book in the series so i feel like the epilogue is gonna be sad cuz shes gonna live forever and itll prob be tessa talking about her lost love and family (after theyve all died either in action or of old age, who knows) and magnus will probably help her through it or something

oh and the dark artifices, main character is emma CARSTAIRS......i thought all of jems family was dead or something but i guess not, and tessa cant have kids so obvi it cant be a descendent of her and jems.....mindboggling, who is she!!!


ᴀʀᴏᴛʜ [hiatus] (thelovelymsels) if will and tessa are together it will be good but bad for jem.


message 870: by Daylighter, Mizpah (new)

Daylighter (pantea13) | 1431 comments Mod
Vixen wrote: "oh goddess honeslty from what ive gathered, its not gonna be a happy ending either way

idk i feel like somehow jem will find out about will and tessas feelings but i also believe jem is gonna die ..."


“Jem: do you have any other family members?” Yes. So does Will.

^ this was asked on the Q&A with Cassie. Both Will & Jem have other family members.


message 871: by Vixen (new)

Vixen  | 461 comments do you think it will get mentioned in the last book?

like we've known that will's family was so close in all the books and cecily was gonna be in the last one, hes talked about her and everything
but we know nothing of jem's!!!

does he have a sis or bro???


ᴀʀᴏᴛʜ [hiatus] (thelovelymsels) I think so I really do hope so Vixen. I wonder if jem has one of them to.


message 873: by Vixen (new)

Vixen  | 461 comments i mean, at least his parents should make an appearance....if hes gonna die in the last book anyway :'(


ᴀʀᴏᴛʜ [hiatus] (thelovelymsels) I agree they should make an appearance. I will be sad.


message 875: by Breeze (new)

Breeze (hurricanebreeze) | 241 comments Well, we know that Jem's family is dead... but do you mean like an appearance from the past? I agree that I definitely want to know more about Jem's family from when he was young. Cassie posted on Tumblr once that Jem has other living relatives, I wonder if we'll ever get to meet them.


ᴀʀᴏᴛʜ [hiatus] (thelovelymsels) I know we know that Brezze but still you know.


message 877: by Vixen (new)

Vixen  | 461 comments yeah so apparently theyre not dead.....i hope they do make an appearance, but if they dont and the only way emma carstairs is connected to jem is by some long lost relative of jems that he never met and we never meet....im going to be really mad


message 878: by Daylighter, Mizpah (new)

Daylighter (pantea13) | 1431 comments Mod
Vixen wrote: "yeah so apparently theyre not dead.....i hope they do make an appearance, but if they dont and the only way emma carstairs is connected to jem is by some long lost relative of jems that he never me..."

What do you mean they're apparently not dead?


message 879: by Vixen (new)

Vixen  | 461 comments Daylighter wrote: "Vixen wrote: "yeah so apparently theyre not dead.....i hope they do make an appearance, but if they dont and the only way emma carstairs is connected to jem is by some long lost relative of jems th..."

cuz of what The Breeze said that cassie posted that jems family wasnt dead

and you posted yourself that in the Q&A cassie said he has other family members.....so apparently theyre not dead then ?


message 880: by David (new)

David (GothicTsukiyomi) | 30 comments Oh God I had to read the past 50 comments to catch up I've been off GoodReads for about a week Haha


message 881: by Daylighter, Mizpah (new)

Daylighter (pantea13) | 1431 comments Mod
Vixen wrote: "Daylighter wrote: "Vixen wrote: "yeah so apparently theyre not dead.....i hope they do make an appearance, but if they dont and the only way emma carstairs is connected to jem is by some long lost ..."

His parents are dead, but he has other family members, like cousins, uncles, etc.


message 882: by Vixen (new)

Vixen  | 461 comments ohhhhhh okay thanks
my mistake


message 883: by Daylighter, Mizpah (new)

Daylighter (pantea13) | 1431 comments Mod
David wrote: "Oh God I had to read the past 50 comments to catch up I've been off GoodReads for about a week Haha"

Lol if you like TID manga you should check out the thread for that, I posted a lot of pics yesterday =)

The Manga


message 884: by Daylighter, Mizpah (new)

Daylighter (pantea13) | 1431 comments Mod
Vixen wrote: "ohhhhhh okay thanks
my mistake"


No problem =)


ᴀʀᴏᴛʜ [hiatus] (thelovelymsels) What did I miss vixen?


message 886: by Vixen (new)

Vixen  | 461 comments daylighter cleared up that jems parents ARE dead...i thought they werent since cassie posted he had family, but she just meant relatives
which sucks.....looks like probably no family reunion when he dies


message 887: by David (new)

David (GothicTsukiyomi) | 30 comments Daylighter wrote: "David wrote: "Oh God I had to read the past 50 comments to catch up I've been off GoodReads for about a week Haha"

Lol if you like TID manga you should check out the thread for that, I posted a lo..."


Oh ty Daylighter


message 888: by Obsessionist (new)

Obsessionist | 66 comments I am Team Will all the way. But before I read Clockwork Prince I was hoping that Tessa would hang out with Jem more and that would make Will Jealous, but I was completely unprepared for what happened in the end of Clockwork Prince. When I was reading it I literally had some sort of electric, cold, spastic brain attack. How could she say yes!!!!!


message 889: by [deleted user] (new)

Obsessionist wrote:But before I read Clockwork Prince I was hoping that Tessa would hang out with Jem more and that would make Will Jealous. oh my god so did i! because he was such a jerk to her in the first book, but then when i read clockwork prince i realised how much he loved her so i didnt want him to be jealouse any more because it would make him even more sad :(


message 890: by Vixen (new)

Vixen  | 461 comments Obsessionist wrote: "I am Team Will all the way. But before I read Clockwork Prince I was hoping that Tessa would hang out with Jem more and that would make Will Jealous, but I was completely unprepared for what happen..."

cuz she truly loves jem with all her heart and would never want to hurt him (rmr tessa puts everyone before herself, especially those she cares for) and jem doesnt have much time left, so she has the opportunity and power to make him truly happy

she just doesnt realize yet that she doesnt just love Will but she is IN LOVE WITH will and she hasnt figured it out yet that she wont be happy with jem.....


message 891: by Vixen (new)

Vixen  | 461 comments Sns wrote: "Obsessionist wrote:But before I read Clockwork Prince I was hoping that Tessa would hang out with Jem more and that would make Will Jealous. oh my god so did i! because he was such a jerk to her in..."

i think its worse that he wasnt jealous
because its so sad that it didnt even compute to him that jem likes her or she somewhat likes jem, jem is like his brother and he had no idea, he thought he had nothing to worry about and no competition but himself you know
so it was such a shock and just a blow to the heart
poor will!! totally unsuspecting, completely unprepared
at least if he was somewhat jealous, hed realize he had jem as competition and he'd be prepared
but i do suppose if he realized early that jem liked tessa, he wouldve backed off right from the beginning anyway
BUT STILL


message 892: by Obsessionist (new)

Obsessionist | 66 comments Yeah poor Will and he was doing it to protect her. Im really curious whats going to happen to the love triangle in Clockwork Princess. Cause i mean how could everything work unless maybe Will or Jem turn out to be gay? But that would be a bit of an awkward happy ending.


message 893: by [deleted user] (new)

maybe everythings not always planned to work out


message 894: by Vixen (new)

Vixen  | 461 comments naw definitely gonna be a terrible ending, clare said so herself :(

and lol if will turned out gay.......magnus would be knocking on his door in a heartbeat for another kiss


ᴀʀᴏᴛʜ [hiatus] (thelovelymsels) What did I miss guys what ending? If Will was gay I would've fainted immeditely and right away. Hey Vixen long time no see.


message 896: by Vixen (new)

Vixen  | 461 comments hey elizabeth!
idk, i think i would be equally happy with a will/magnus pairing lol
wishful thinking

and we're just theorizing how the cp2 is gonna end, and why tessa chose jem and how will is gonna be in the last book
DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNNNN


ᴀʀᴏᴛʜ [hiatus] (thelovelymsels) Hey I'm back again! ^_^ oh I read the second book already it was good but sad and will and tessa would be better i think but magnus is better with alec in the mortal instrsutments series instead.


message 898: by Vixen (new)

Vixen  | 461 comments yeahh but if alec didnt exist, which at tid time he didnt, you gotta admit, blach hair blue eyed will would steal magnus' heart!


ᴀʀᴏᴛʜ [hiatus] (thelovelymsels) i know that but i don't want to beileve that will would be good with magnus let's hope that tessa will be with will later on because if not i won't be happy !!!


message 900: by Vixen (new)

Vixen  | 461 comments sigh i know.......if only

okay okay okay i gotta stay optimistic, positive thinking brings positive outcomes!!!

*seriously in denial about you and i getting our happy ending*


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