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message 1: by Kelly (last edited Aug 25, 2016 12:09PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Kelly M when harry follewed snape's doe patronus and found the sword of gryfindor at the bottom of a pond, why was it there? it might have been dumbledore's idea but i'm not sure.

message 2: by Mariya (last edited Aug 25, 2016 12:09PM) (new)

Mariya It was dumbledore's idea. he had snape make sure that harry got the sword. I believe that his portrait planned it

message 3: by Radhika (last edited Aug 25, 2016 12:13PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Radhika khetani Why was the sword was so difficult to access? If Dumbledore/Snape wanted Harry to really have it why put him through all that? Sometimes I think JKR adds in "nail-biting excitement" with the movies in mind...

message 4: by Tracey (last edited Aug 25, 2016 12:13PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Tracey near the end of "The Prince's Tale" chapter, Dumbledore told Snape that the sword had to be retrieved under conditions of need and/or valor.

message 5: by Shahriar (last edited Aug 25, 2016 12:13PM) (new)

Shahriar well dumbldore explained that as well. The idea is that to get the sword, you have to show bravery and you have to 'earn' it, if you want to use it to its full power. You have to deserve it. Hence being the frozen lake.

message 6: by Kelly (last edited Aug 25, 2016 12:14PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Kelly M Yeah but Dumbledore also tried to leave harry the sword in his will. He probably was just hinting to harry that he should use it to destroy the horcruxes, and knew it would be taken by the ministry

message 7: by [deleted user] (new)

As you have noticed, the sword left for Harry as an inheritance through Dumbledore's will - though as expected it did not made it to Harry's possessions - was only a fake. This fake sword was transported therefor to the ministry, where was then captured by Voldemort due to Scrimgeour's downfall. This fake sword was only some hint to Harry that the sword will play a significant role in the process of ridding the world of the Dark Lord.
Also, as Shahriar has explained, the sword of Gryffindor, who's emblem was a sign of bravery must be captured through true qualities of a Gryffindor - as it had happened already in Harry's second year, when he succeeded in taking it from the Sorting Hat.

message 8: by Cris (last edited Aug 25, 2016 12:15PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Cris i dont really remember the ministry keeping the sword.

message 9: by Shahriar (last edited Aug 25, 2016 12:16PM) (new)

Shahriar it was confiscated by scrimgeour. read the chapter about the will of albus dumbledore.

message 10: by Mduduzi (last edited Aug 25, 2016 12:17PM) (new)

Mduduzi No It wasn't. The fake sword was placed in the Lestrange's vault in the wizard bank. Dumbledore left it to Harry, but Scrimgeour said it wasn't Dumbledore;s to give away...

message 11: by Shahriar (last edited Aug 25, 2016 12:18PM) (new)

Shahriar i was under the impression that dumbledore, knowing ministry procedures left harry the fake. Scrimgeous confiscated the fake sword, which ended up in the hands of the death eaters, upon his death, sicne everyone at the ministry was imperiused. Thus, to protect it, they place the formerly confiscated fake sword in the lestrange Vault.

message 12: by Radhika (last edited Aug 25, 2016 12:19PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Radhika khetani 1) Dumbledore left Harry the sword, but it wasnt his to give away (said the minister) so it went back to hogwarts (snape).

2) Ginny, Neville etc. try to steal it from Snape's office, so it went into the Lestranges' vault for protection, only Snape gave the lestranges the fake.

3) When the portrait told snape where harry and the gang were, snape transported the real one to the bottom of the lake/pond and sent the doe patronus to lead harry to the lake/pond.

message 13: by Cris (last edited Aug 25, 2016 12:19PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Cris I thought Snape is the one who had the sword placed in gringrotts. Also i didn't think it was in the Lestrange's vault. I will have to go back and reread.

message 14: by Ruby (last edited Aug 25, 2016 12:19PM) (new)

Ruby no, it was bellatrix lestrange who had the sword placed in gringrotts and she put in inside her vault including one of the horcrux.

message 15: by Andrea (last edited Aug 25, 2016 12:31PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Andrea Long Does anyone know how Neville got his hands on the Sword of Gryffindor at the end of the book?

message 16: by Kelly (last edited Aug 25, 2016 12:32PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Kelly M Even though the sword was with griphook, through it's magic anyone who was a true griffandor could still pull it out of the hat like neville did

message 17: by Paul (last edited Aug 25, 2016 12:34PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Paul The same way Harry got it in book two. The sorting hat was Godric Gryffindor's and only a true Gryffindor is able to pull his sword out of his hat. They are magically linked.

message 18: by [deleted user] (last edited Sep 20, 2012 02:36AM) (new)

Yeah, Dumbledore said that the sword will present itself to anyone worthy of it. Since he was out on a life-threatening mission to rid the world of the darkest wizard of all time by destroying his ruined and tainted soul piece by laborious piece, he is most definitely worthy of it.

But what if the Horcrux actually countered it and put the sword just out of Harry's reach because it knew what was coming, so it radiated its own powers and forced it into a harder-to-get position?

Magic, man. Loads of weird stuff happens that might not quite add up.

Avani Snape had his Patronus, the doe, place the sword at the bottom of the pool. It wasn't an act of magic or a Gryffindorian miracle, it was Dumbledore's plan being executed.

Barbara not sure that a Patronus can actually handle anything solid. Snape used his Patronus to guide Harry to the sword's hiding spot. I often wondered how Snape knew where Harry and co. were because I thought Nigellus' portrait had been blindfolded and couldn't see but maybe they slipped up or something.

Gretchen It is also is very reminiscent of Lady of the lake and Excalibur. Which I am sure Rowling was alluding too.

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