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message 101: by Sylvia (new)

Sylvia (sylviab) | 1361 comments Barbara, a copy will most likely go out in the mail tomorrow (Saturday, 3-13-10). Just for fun, let's keep track of how many days it takes to get to you. I noticed that Clive Lofts' letter was mailed on Monday, and I got it on Thursday - just 4 days! So I'm guessing yours will take at least 8 days...what do you think?

Please don't worry (any of you) about the postage. It won't be very much, and I'm so happy to do this little thing for you. Also, my husband managed to get a copy into a friend's hands who has a scanner, so if she gets the copy emailed to me, I can email it on to any who want to receive it that way. The drawing (or copy of a painting) is dark, but the print used in naming all the locations is in a very fine hand. I hope the words will be clear on the ones that are emailed. I feel very childish in admitting to you that I had Rychard make me an extra copy to color! I now feel it very likely that there are more maps out there than we ever imagined, because why would this one "house" or village book be chosen to get a map on the cover, and none of the others? From the wording of his letter, didn't you get the impression that her son didn't know there were maps, or possibly didn't realize how important all those locations would be to the reader?

I have another letter ready to go out to him, basically a "deepest appreciation" letter, and I wanted to ask him so many things, but I don't want to overwhelm him and have this door shut to us. I would love to ask him how many of her books he has read!

Barbara, your research on the book followed right along. For now, the information I need the most is a clear cut direction of whether Clevely is on the north or south side of Layer Wood. That tantalizing little right hand border of the woods on this map has arrows pointing straight into those haunted woods and marked "to Nettleton and Muchanger", but it still doesn't give us an idea of the location on the big map. Also I couldn't find the name of the river. Barbara, could you skim through and look for its name? The only river I've run across around Layer Wood is "Wren" in Knight's Acre. I am growing more positive that Knight's Acre is on the far left end of L.W. ("the last outpost") and the Wren borders that property. So many possibilities.


message 102: by Sylvia (new)

Sylvia (sylviab) | 1361 comments OH BAD NEWS! I was getting out those map copies and noticed that the whole right side is cut off - the side that depicts Squatter's Row and the entrance into Layer Wood. I will have to get better copies made, possibly on 8 1/2 by 14 paper. The top and bottom are intact on the pages. So sorry. Barbara, I'll let you know as soon as your copy is in the mail, possibly Mon. or Tues. I wonder if that end will be cut off when emailed? I'm so anxious for you all to see it!


message 103: by Barbara (new)

Barbara Hoyland (sema4dogz) | 2442 comments Oh dear , pity about the cut-off bit, always so hard to do copies of things like that I find. Can you reduce the copy size ?

Thank you so much for agreeing to send it to me anyway. I will re scour through D In C to see if I missed anything , particularly river references and orientatation


message 104: by Sylvia (new)

Sylvia (sylviab) | 1361 comments Yes, reducing it would make the whole thing fit on the regular sized paper. My problem is, I have to depend on someone else to do the copying, and most people, but especially my husband (!) are not very particular about how they handle my stuff! I miss working in my office so much. I noticed that the copier print Mr. Lofts sent measured closer to 9x12 than the US standard of 8 1/2 x 11.


message 105: by Werner (new)

Werner Disappointing news from the British Library! I heard from one of their reference librarians, Helen Robbins, this morning. She went through their copy of The Suffolk Trilogy three times; but even though their catalog entry says it has a map, the map isn't there. They have no other edition of the trilogy, and the only other Lofts book she could find in their catalog that has a map is one about Anne Boleyn.

Sorry this proved to be a dead end! It'll be back to searching World Catalog when I go back to work later today. :-)


message 106: by Susan (new)

Susan | 179 comments oh what shame Werner! Everyone is working hard to find this map, and it is so good that we are all of one mind that we would love to see the illusive Map!

Sylvia, I am sorry that you are having problems with the printing, it must indeed be frustrating that you are not at work, but you have certainly taken on a lot to keep you occupied with all things "Norah Lofts" related!

Thanks to everyone who is doing such a grand job!

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message 107: by Sylvia (new)

Sylvia (sylviab) | 1361 comments Thanks to both of you. Werner, at least we know now that we won't be getting any help from the British Library. I guess I assumed that they would have a copy of everything that had been copyrighted in GB. I am still picturing piles and piles of files and files SOMEWHERE that contain all the NL treasures, X marking the spot of her maps! Some of her pub. companies may have put her texts onto computer, but didn't bother to save the maps. That would be tragic. My project today is to write a letter to the co. that published the "A of an A" that has this Clevely map (Michael Joseph/Penguin/Putnam) and see if they will look into the matter.

Susan, did you mail your address or email to me? I plan to work on this copy I had someone scan and email back to me to try to make it print out better. It is also chopped off about an inch, but will give you an idea of what it looks like.

Also, I went to Alibris to the rare book section and asked for a list of "A of an A" with dust covers, and there were several, so I ordered one, just to see this map in color. They go from around $10 to $20.

Everybody's interest in the map is so encouraging (and downright FUN!).


message 108: by Susan (new)

Susan | 179 comments Rare books are expensive, but I am sure somewhere there are books with the precious maps in! So, we will not give up and I am sure our diligence with pay off!

No, I have not mailed you yet Sylvia, I have been busy with hospital appointments and doctors appointments, but will get that off to you as soon as I can.

We have had some sunshine here in Scotland, but it is very cold! Greetings to all of you around the world!


message 109: by Sylvia (new)

Sylvia (sylviab) | 1361 comments Actually I never went to that "rare boods" section before because of high prices, but hers weren't too bad, in fact not much higher than most NLs in the regular listings. Some of those are higher than the "rare" ones!

Are those hospital and dr. appts. for your husband or your children, or both? My prayers are with all of you.

Speaking of cold and sunshine reminds me (somehow) that just for tomorrow, the whole world is Irish, or so we say in the States! So wear green tomorrow everybody, and Happy St. Patrick's Day! and to all NL drinkers, put some green in your TEA!


message 110: by Barbara (last edited Mar 16, 2010 05:32PM) (new)

Barbara Hoyland (sema4dogz) | 2442 comments Hi everyone , how good are all your/our efforts! It is as Sylvia says, rather fun to be tracking it all down. Actually, it has made me realise that I could have really enjoyed a job as a( good) writer's researcher .

You know, " I am going to write a novel mainly featuring a female protagonist, a chatelaine or something in the North of England in the early 13th C, go find me everything you can "

But for now, I have 'Syb's Map' and though it is really frustrating to have a bit cut off, it is so good to see it laid out , I think I've said before I am a bit spatially challenged so it is a whole new vista to me to see in in map form at last, and in such an 'artistic' rendition

Great work Sylvia thank you again


message 111: by Sylvia (new)

Sylvia (sylviab) | 1361 comments So you were able to enlarge the photo and make out all the locations? I counted 22 locations. Maybe it is just my own printer that is giving me fits. I went ahead and mailed a copy to you as well, Barbara. If nothing else, you can color it! Yeh, "Syb" - that's what everybody calls me, even my former bosses. When my copy of Afternoon of an A. comes, if the dust jacket is more complete, I will try to get Rychard to go out and find a color copier shop and get a few copies for any of you who want one (if color copies don't cost too much!) I did write to the publisher Michael Joseph today though I will fall out of my chair if they write back.


message 112: by Susan (new)

Susan | 179 comments Things are on the move! Research can be exciting. Frustrating at times, but definitely good!

The appointments were for both me and my husband Sylvia. I had to go for my mouth. I have pernicious aneamia and suffer from sore ulcers as part of it, and also I had big blood blisters in the roof of my mouth, so the dentist sent me to the specialist. He examined me and said that it was all OK, and just the side effects of the Vit B12 deficiency. I have some mouth wash, and that seems to be helping. Do not have to go back again! My husbands are on going at the doctors with the heart problem and Warfarin level checks. That is all there seems to be on the calender lately. No a very social diary! Never mind, we keep going. Another one on Friday, and then one for me next week for my asthma check up. Thank you for your prayers Sylvia, you have mine too. I hope the pain is not too bad. Pain can drag you down so much, but you are still doing all the research and things like this do keep you going.
Greetings to everyone from Scotland (with sunshine!)


message 113: by Werner (new)

Werner More disappointing news from my search, I'm afraid. I searched World Catalog systematically for every entry for every book listed as set in the Layer Wood area (that list was a big help in narrowing down the search; thanks!). Aside from the one Suffolk Trilogy volume that dead-ended us at the British Library, I'm sorry to report that I couldn't find any that list a map or any illustrations. (I didn't limit the search by date --I'd hoped that a later book might happen to be found that had the same map. No such luck, however.) Sorry I wasn't able to be as helpful as I'd hoped!


message 114: by Sylvia (new)

Sylvia (sylviab) | 1361 comments Werner, personally, I can never thank you enough for all the work you've done to find ANY map of NL! I know that title search took a lot of time and brain power. By the way, I recently discovered that you are also an author, and I've ordered your book,Lifeblood, though the topic will probably scare the sleep out of me! Oh well, more map study time.

I have a few more places to look, and then I'd better get back down to the business of working on the Layer Wood map. I thank everybody for their notes and research, and if you run into any hints in your future readings that give a precise location within those "6 fingers" please pass it on. I'll let you know if I ever get this done, or if I hear anything concrete about any original maps.


message 115: by Werner (new)

Werner You're welcome, Sylvia! (I just wish I could have given you more to show for it --us reference librarians hate to admit defeat. :-)) And thanks for your interest in Lifeblood; let me know how you like it! (By way of reassurance, it's somewhat atypical for modern vampire fiction, and actually appeals to a lot of people who don't normally like the genre; so it might not disturb your sleep too radically. :-))


message 116: by Sylvia (new)

Sylvia (sylviab) | 1361 comments Whew! I'm glad to hear that. I had read a few reviews, and they gave that impression also. I am hoping I can pass it on to my 16 year old niece after I read it.

My plan for today is to go through those rare books with all 18 Layer Wood titles, and see if any other dust jackets appear to have a map on them.

NL would be pleased - a "house" is being built next to us, and the land is being cleared this minute. It is to be an "independent living" apt. unit for 18-20 year olds (a very dangerous age in the current US economy) and my husband and I will live in it and supervise the residents. I drew a map of this entire children's home/school complex years ago for visitors and deliveries, and have to admit that the map reminds me of NL's! There is even a small lake, but not haunted as far as I know!


message 117: by Werner (new)

Werner Sylvia, that sounds like a wonderful project for you and your husband! I'm happy for you, and really wish you both all the best with that!


message 118: by Susan (new)

Susan | 179 comments HI Sylvia, I would like to second Werner's comments. It truly sounds a wonderful project. Good luck to you and your husband!


message 119: by Sylvia (new)

Sylvia (sylviab) | 1361 comments Thanks so much to both of you. I just hope our health holds out. I don't think the structure will be ready for occupancy until next year. Susan, how is your sore mouth doing?

I forgot to mention that around our little lake there is a wooded area, and there are two tiny islands and a walking bridge.


message 120: by Susan (new)

Susan | 179 comments It all sounds lovely Sylvia, and I do indeed pray that your health holds out. It is something that will be so good for the young people and you will be helping them such a lot.

My mouth is not too bad now. The specialist told me that it was to be expected because of my pernicious aneamia, so have to cope with it, but have mouthwash to help. I am still waiting for the endoscopy, but must say that the indigestion is not too bad. It is worse when I get stressed!
Tonight, I am taking part in a quiz at our Church, and my specialist subject is The Miraculous Healings of Jesus Christ, so I have been studying hard. I have a good knowledge of my Bible, but did not realise that some of the healings are reported differently in different books of the Bible, so have to have all of them in my head! (Hope I don't get too many "senior moments!

How has the pain been Sylvia? Hope it is not too bad.
I have posted off my addresses to you. (Now did I tell you that before!) Oh dear, Senior Moments Galore!


message 121: by Sylvia (new)

Sylvia (sylviab) | 1361 comments If I have the time changes at all figured out, you have probably finished the quiz by now. How did you do? How many senior moments? I think I would do better on a Bible quiz than the Neverending Quiz! I read a few questions over there and decided I'd better read all of NL;s books again!

I'm about the same - I'm glad you're ccping!


message 122: by Barbara (last edited Mar 19, 2010 07:58PM) (new)

Barbara Hoyland (sema4dogz) | 2442 comments I am probably the one most responsible for NL questions of the NeverEnding Quiz . It is a pleasant challenge trying to think of ones that are sensible and answerable and have some enjoyment attached to getting them right

I was thinking of putting some Layer Wood and general NL topography questions on, what do you think ?


message 123: by Mary (new)

Mary C | 21 comments Reply to the last three posts, but a bit off the map :)

Susan and Sylvia, I'm adding you both to my prayer list. Barbara, my friend Marjorie knows Heswall but isn't from there. Her last name was the same as that of the author of Howard's End. Ring any bell?


message 124: by Susan (new)

Susan | 179 comments Thanks for the prayers Mary, adding you to mine too. It is good that we can do that for each other, It is very important and really helps.

Questions on Layer Wood and NL topography questions would be great Barbara, or any at all. I have done some of the quiz, but did get quite a few wrong! These were on books I have not read for ages. I must brush up on my NL!


message 125: by Susan (new)

Susan | 179 comments Sylvia wrote: "If I have the time changes at all figured out, you have probably finished the quiz by now. How did you do? How many senior moments? I think I would do better on a Bible quiz than the Neverending..."

Well Sylvia, the evening went very well, but I did not do very well on my "Healings of Jesus" questions, simply because some of the questions were no specifically on His healings, they were very strange and I could not even understand them. One was asking of the different categories of the Miracles, and the answer he wanted was Resurrection. I cannot even remember the others! By that time my brain went blank! Plus that the question master's accent was broad and I had to strain to understand him! I answered all the questions on the Healings, but there was not many, because the other questions were so long and you only have two minutes! I felt bad about it, like I had let God down. I would not have minded if my subject had not been Biblical and in our church! But I had so many people saying that they did not understand them either and felt bad for me. In fact, our Minister said he would not have liked to have been in my place! Anyhow, I did OK on the general knowledge, but only got 4 marks for my specialist subject. We had six competitors and one was a young lass of about 10 whose answered questions on Harry Potter and she did very well! We were all pleased for her!

I was pleased that my husband came along. Often he can't, it depends how he feels on the day, but he was not too bad, and people were pleased to see him.

Sunshine here today in Scotland, and tomorrow it will be four years since we moved here!


message 126: by Sylvia (new)

Sylvia (sylviab) | 1361 comments Sunny in Ohio today, too! Thanks for the prayers. It's comforting to think of prayers rising up to Heaven from all over the globe. I remember all of you in mine as well.

Barbara, I knew you were the quizzer for many of the NQ questions! Sure, bring on some Layer Wood questions. Maybe some of our placement puzzles will emerge from the answers.

I am like Susan in having not read NL's books for so long. I just began reading them again this past January. What used to take me a week to read now takes a month. And I tried reading one in every room but discovered that my old brain can't take more than two at once!

Susan, the question master sounds like those teachers we've all known whose motive was to "trip up" and humiliate. Hey, even your minister saw what you were up against! I say, "Brave mental jousting!"


message 127: by Werner (new)

Werner Sylvia and Susan, my prayers are with you both as well!


message 128: by Barbara (last edited Mar 20, 2010 06:24PM) (new)

Barbara Hoyland (sema4dogz) | 2442 comments Mary wrote: "Reply to the last three posts, but a bit off the map :)

Susan and Sylvia, I'm adding you both to my prayer list. Barbara, my friend Marjorie knows Heswall but isn't from there. Her last name w..."


Thanks Mary - sorry to be thick, but I'm not quite sure what you mean by ringing any bell .I Googled the name , but could not see any connections .


message 129: by Mary (new)

Mary C | 21 comments Barbata, I was just trying to say tht my friend has (and had) the same last name as that author. I didn't want to post her whole name here in one piece, just for the sake of privacy. So if you ever knew anyone in Cheshire with that last name--


message 130: by Barbara (last edited Mar 22, 2010 12:04AM) (new)

Barbara Hoyland (sema4dogz) | 2442 comments Yes, thanks, I realised that Mary. I just thought it might have been someone locally famous that I should have known! No I never never knew anybody by that name, but then Cheshire is quite a big county with many cities and large towns .

BTW I sent another ( yes another !) email to the online publishers of that Orlando Project. I feel like there is a black hole in there marked Norah Lofts. I shall not give in, however ....


message 131: by Susan (new)

Susan | 179 comments Thank you for your prayers Werner, you all have mine too, and I am so glad that I found this site. Not only for our shared love of NL, but to meet such good people.

Can't remember if I told you I had mailed off my addresses to you Sylvia "another senior moment"!

I must get on and finish reading "Jassy" and add more to the map details.


message 132: by [deleted user] (new)

Sylvia wrote: "We are looking here for descriptions and locations of any town, village, manor house, body of water, castle, titled acreage, etc. in the Layer Wood/Baildon area.

Distances between, or which prop..."


I don't recall a map in any of my Norah Lofts books but I just went to the kitchen to get my tray which is a map of ancient Suffolk. I lived outside Wickham Market on the tank road. I worked at RAF Woodbridge. What can I tell you from this map?


message 133: by [deleted user] (new)

Sylvia wrote: "The doctors of the world will be uniting against our encouragement of "greasy bread"! I also had to LOL (would you believe I had to find out what that meant?) when you mentioned a Texan believing ..."

Sort of a displaced Texan but really an Air Force brat. I lived in every major city and lots of small Texas towns. The bluebonnets will be blooming now and the bluebells in Suffolk also. I picked lots of them there (both places).
Alice


message 134: by [deleted user] (new)

Barbara wrote: "Mountain oysters!! LOL !

Gravy to me is the liquid part Sylvia, like a thin brown sauce. Do you say "a gravy' meaning a particular type of dish?
I think suet is pretty much a thing of the pa..."


Here suet is something that is fed to birds in winter. Right now winter is rolling in and we are out of birdseed.


message 135: by [deleted user] (new)

Sylvia wrote: "Barbara, you found some great information, some order to the locations. I need to redraw my first map, and need bigger paper! I have this vague picture in my mind of that original map and don't r..."

When I lived outside Wickham Market off the A-12 I drove up to Saxmundham where I ate fish and chips (plaice). It was incredible and you get NOTHING like it here in the states. Cracker Barrel almost makes the grade on Friday nights but not really!


message 136: by [deleted user] (new)

Lady Jane took me to pick bluebells in an ancient forest. I was just looking at the pictures the other day. The oaks there were 500 years old she told me. It was near Watisden where the whole village died of the Black Plague. We were near the coast. I also used to love the pub at Aldeburgh. It was very old but not as old as The Swan ...I am guessing NL based one of her books on it.


message 137: by Sylvia (new)

Sylvia (sylviab) | 1361 comments Hi Canary!
di9d you live in Suffolk as a child or as an "Army brat"? That is, are you a native Texan or a displaced Englishwman?! I've heard a lot about those bluebells. We have a Texan working here (since 1998) who talks about the fields of blue in Texas in the spring.

Yes, maybe your Suffolk map can answer a question for me. Since NL based Baildon on Bury St. Edmunds (although she does use the real Bury in some of her books), I would like to know the names of any rivers that might circle around Bury, or possibly flow northward and then circle toward the sea. I know that sounds confusing. So far my idea of the Layer Wood map is that, first, Baildon is located just nnortheast of Bury, and that second, Baildon is south west of the long oval (with roughly a six fingered shape) that is Layer Wood. I feel fairly certain that Knight's Acre and Intake are directly west of Layer Wood, and the river Wren circles around that end. I still haven't figured out the source of it or how far it goes, but right now I am assuming that it flows east toward the sea and possibly Bywater. Has anybody run across a river mentioned in Bywater?

As you can all tell, I haven't really made much progress on the map. I continue to plow through the Town House Trilogy for now, and if we never do find the original map, it may take years for us to make an accurate one ourselves.

Thanks, Canary Alice, for all the comments. That Suffolk tray sounds like a treasure. Your mention of the pubs reminds me that on a site for Bury St. E. there is a photo of a tiny pub on a st. corner that is the smallest one in England.


message 138: by [deleted user] (last edited Mar 23, 2010 07:23PM) (new)

Hi Sylvia, I am an Air Force brat! My father was Air Force and camped out near Framlingham Castle (Suffolk) in WWII and my son is also Air Force (pilot). I was blessed to get to live for a year in Suffolk in 1975. I was working on base as a civilian at RAF Woodbridge and one day when I walked into the library there was a copy of The House at Sunset prominently displayed so I got it. I was amazed that a writer could write about an old house and make it so fascinating. I was uninterested in old houses until that book and living in England. I wish I was a displaced Englishwoman but my ancestors came over here a long time ago. I am mostly English based on my genealogy names and I felt right at home in Suffolk! I did not feel that Baildon was Bury St. Edmunds as when I was there (1975) Bury was too big IMO. However, as Barbara can tell you I have lots of weird ideas about NL books....flights of very wild imagination! I lived about 15 kilometers from the coast and I feel Baildon was closer like I was.
My Suffolk tray map shows 3 rivers going in...I do not recall them altho there was a good creek I walked by lots into Wickham Market. The largest one at the bottom appears to be the Stour (old writing). It would be the boundary between Essex and Suffolk I guess. (per this old map) The next one north which branches into it is Orwell and I went to Orwell keep a few times..super old. Between these two is Samford Hun. Above the Orwell is Colnes Hun. What does Hun mean? Lady Jane took me to her father's house and he enjoyed telling me about the Viking ship found in the river by their amazing home. He had a Rolls Royce in the garage. I felt very intimidated but also honored and fascinated. Maybe Hun is a Viking word? The next river up was the Deben which ran by Woodbridge where an unexploded bomb was in the marsh there and then it ran on to Wickham Market and just south of our rental house. I cannot find Bury St Edmunds on this old Suffolk tray so my hubby is looking for me with his magnifying glass. These rivers do look like fingers going inland.
I am not sure where the ancient woods was located but it was near the coast. The oaks were so old and made Jane think of Robin Hood. The bluebells smelled heavenly. The bluebonnets also smell wonderful in Texas.
Hubby was just asking me what Hun means?
He found Bury, its much father in than I expected. I drove there to find a rental house for a professor for the summer months. It looks so small on this map, no wonder I never found it before.
Will close for now and ponder a minute or two then try again. Blurry vision,
Alice


message 139: by [deleted user] (new)

No luck with Hun. I do not see any rivers around Bury St. Edmunds. Just off the top of my head I prefer Ipswitch as Baildon or even Woodbridge! I see Aldeborough as being where The Sailors Rest was. Aldeborough which on this map is spelled Aldborough runs out on a strange peninsula which curves back toward the land, two rivers are there (small ones). One is Orford Haven but the one running straight north ......I cannot see the name of it. Looks like it might be Bridg! The peninsula is called Slaugden Vale and seems to be covered with trees. I must be wrong as close to the coast there were no trees. Around Wickham Market were huge pines and our house had dozens of apple trees. I could see this area as being part of A Wayside Tavern (one of my favs). Aldeborough was a smuggling area. I used to go to the Crosskeys Pub there. There were lots of pink houses as pink is very popular in Suffolk and I love it. My friend and I used to go down to Felixstowe on the weekends which sloped down sharply to the sea. Some more old areas just north are Wilforde Hun and Plomesgate Hun. Plomesgate Hun is just inland from Aldborough and is where Watisden was located where everyone died of plague. Its on a tiny creek (looks like) called Thelatet. Its all most baffling.


message 140: by [deleted user] (new)

Barbara wrote: "I am probably the one most responsible for NL questions of the NeverEnding Quiz . It is a pleasant challenge trying to think of ones that are sensible and answerable and have some enjoyment att..."

Great idea, please send them to me.


message 141: by Barbara (last edited Mar 23, 2010 09:01PM) (new)

Barbara Hoyland (sema4dogz) | 2442 comments Great stuff on the real Suffolk Alice, it has to be helpful to the map at some level or another doesn't it !
I will try and do some geog. questions this afternoon


message 142: by [deleted user] (new)

Thanks! It was very interesting studying the Suffolk map again. I have a regular paper one somewhere. I wish this map were dated but it only says: Suffolk by Rob Morden. I am so glad I bought it long ago.
Looking forward to questions.
Alice


message 143: by Sylvia (new)

Sylvia (sylviab) | 1361 comments Great descriptions of Suffolk, Canary! I picture Baildon as fairly close to the sea, too, since the pack ponies traveled there with the wool every day, and many in the location of Layer Wood went to Bywater. NL actually said that she based Baildon on Bury St. Edmunds. I think she was thinking mostly about the abbey ruins and the market place, not necessarily its location. But some of the fictional characters did travel "down" to Bury, I think. Trying to climb inside NL's brain gives me a headache!


message 144: by [deleted user] (new)

Sylvia wrote: "Great descriptions of Suffolk, Canary! I picture Baildon as fairly close to the sea, too, since the pack ponies traveled there with the wool every day, and many in the location of Layer Wood went ..."

I am very surprised that she said it was based on Bury as it just seemed too big to me when I was there (1975). I am glad you feel it was closer to the coast line too. Feel very baffled,
Alice


message 145: by Barbara (last edited Mar 24, 2010 06:12PM) (new)

Barbara Hoyland (sema4dogz) | 2442 comments I think you are both right, she didn't site Baildon where Bury actually is but just took some elements of the town for her fictional Baildon. She certainly refers to both . In The Lonely Furrow she talks of "St Egberts at Baildon and ...St Edmund's in the town which bore his name " (p168) Also , Baildon and Bury St Edmunds 'lie in the same direction' from Stordford, see below. I think Baildon must lie on the other (sea?) side of Bury, from Stordford, as the people Maude asks on the way have heard of Bury, but not Baildon. That might be because Bury is bigger, of course

Just a note or two re Layer Wood Sylvia. When Maude makes her long ride from to Knight's Acre at Intake from Stordford ( which is just the big manor house or castle , I think, not a village) she gets to Baildon , leaves the town by way of "the Saltgate, then the road, partially sheltered by trees of Layer Wood. Turn into the lane ,down the water splash (must mean a river here? ) ..turn onto the track; the priest's house, and then...Knights Acre" (p235)

I know Moyidan is 5 miles from Knight's Acre, but I'm not sure in what direction yet.

You must be fair mazed with all this info.......


message 146: by Barbara (last edited Mar 29, 2010 08:30PM) (new)

Barbara Hoyland (sema4dogz) | 2442 comments You are on the thread now Alice, so no probs. Hope you are doing OK


message 147: by Susan (new)

Susan | 179 comments Hi Sylvia, just to let you know that my map arrived today, so thank you so much for sending it to me, it is very good! Takes me right back to all those times it was mentioned in NL's books! You are very kind to send it out to all of us. We must be the only group who can say they have maps of Layer Wood! Take care of yourself.

Hello everyone! hope you are all keeping OK. We have had snow again this morning here in Scotland. It has been a very bad winter. It has gone now, but more threatened for tomorrow.


message 148: by Sallie (new)

Sallie | 315 comments Oh, I am SO far behind on all of your comments! How did this happen??? I thought I was getting all the comment feeds but something went wrong someplace. Or maybe I just went bonkers for 5 or 6 weeks. Would not be unusual - the memory goes fast these days. I would love to see Sylvia's map if anyone could tell me how to access it. I think I will pass on the pancreas dish.


message 149: by Barbara (new)

Barbara Hoyland (sema4dogz) | 2442 comments Sallie, the Layer Wood thread is not closed, just the one-off thread Canary did called "Thanks Sylvia for the map " when she missed finding the real Layer Wood Map site. So no probs. This here is the site , OK ?


message 150: by Susan (new)

Susan | 179 comments Canary wrote: "Thanks Susan! Mom is in the hospital. She is in San Antonio near my sister Linda. I am in Colorado."

I do hope she will feel better soon. Are you far away? I am not familiar with the distances between States (I am in Scotland!)

Sending up a little prayer for your Mom and all of you.


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