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new_user | 1389 comments I keep confusing Evermore with Evernight. Was there a shortage of titles or something??? LOL.


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Shannon (theholyterror) | 313 comments new_user wrote: "I keep confusing Evermore with Evernight. Was there a shortage of titles or something??? LOL."

Ha, and I just finished The Everafter.


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new_user | 1389 comments Shannon wrote: "new_user wrote: "I keep confusing Evermore with Evernight. Was there a shortage of titles or something??? LOL."

Ha, and I just finished The Everafter."


LMAO. Was that depressing?


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Shannon (theholyterror) | 313 comments new_user wrote: "Shannon wrote: "new_user wrote: "I keep confusing Evermore with Evernight. Was there a shortage of titles or something??? LOL."

Ha, and I just finished The Everafter."

LMAO. Was that depressing?"


Very. Writing my review now ...





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Anthony | 8 comments Just finished Covet. I thought it was pretty good, not as good as the BDB but I like the premise. If you're wondering what the basic plotline for this series is gonna be think "Saved by an Angel" meets "9 1/2 Weeks". I did enjoy the cameos that popped up at odd moments. This is gonna be a 7 book series and I look forward to the continuing story-arc.


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CJ wrote: "Shannon wrote: "TDF Pamela wrote: "I picked up Gail Carriger's Soulless yesterday and glanced at the first page in the car. And then kept reading and kept reading... I so don't have..."

It is SO addictive. I have so much stuff to do this week (I'm taking my Master's exams, yikes!), so I definitely picked the wrong week to start this book, haha. I've got a teetering stack of articles waiting to be skimmed, and I can't... stop... reading... Soulless...


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Pamela (foxglovewitch) | 614 comments Mod
Shannon wrote: "CJ wrote: "So far it's taking me by surprise in the same way as "The Strangely Beautiful Tale of Miss Percy Parker"

How was that one?"


I enjoyed the hell out of Percy Parker. My review is here, but long story short, it was just plain engrossing, and I love how it crosses so many genres.


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Shannon  (shannoncb) I get Evermore and Evernight confused too! They were okay but not great, I thought. The sequel to ... Evermore? - Blue Moon, was pretty disappointing. I love the cover of Hush Hush but I've read quite a few really negative reviews, so I don't know.

I'm really excited to read Soulless but there aren't many copies around the city so I might have to wait and order it from Amazon.

From the description, though, you might enjoy New Blood which is also historical-paranormal-steampunk-romance, and I really liked it.

At the moment, I'm not reading any pnr books :( I have quite a backlog of them on my shelf though. I can never decide where to start!


CJ - It's only a Paper Moon (bookewyrm) | 57 comments TDF Pamela wrote: "CJ wrote: "Shannon wrote: "TDF Pamela wrote: "I picked up Gail Carriger's Soulless yesterday and glanced at the first page in the car. And then kept reading and kept reading... I so..."

Good luck on the exams!!! I can't stop reading either...I basically read standing up on the train this morning, which is usually something I don't like doing but I couldn't stop!



message 3660: by I ♥ Bookie Nookie (bookienookiereviews.blogspot.com) (last edited Oct 14, 2009 10:39AM) (new)

I ♥ Bookie Nookie (bookienookiereviews.blogspot.com) (ibookienookie) Any opinions on which of the following books to read first? I am excited to read all 3 books, but cant make a decision, I just picked them up from the library and cant decide which one to start first--what do ya think?

Stolen (Women of the Otherworld, #2) by Kelley Armstrong Gideon (Nightwalkers, #2) by Jacquelyn Frank [image error]


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Shannon  (shannoncb) I've read all three, and Stolen is different from the other two so the question is what are you in the mood for?

If more plot, less romance, then go with Kelley Armstrong.

If something like Christine Feehan but with less repetition in the prose, go wtih Gideon.

If something sexy and fun and the beginning of a new world etc., then Pleasure Unbound.

If you want sex sex sex, hm, can't quite remember which has more but either Gideon or Pleasure Unbound. Stolen has some but Elena and Clay are apart for most of the book, as the title hints at ;)


I ♥ Bookie Nookie (bookienookiereviews.blogspot.com) (ibookienookie) Shannon wrote: "I've read all three, and Stolen is different from the other two so the question is what are you in the mood for?

If more plot, less romance, then go with Kelley Armstrong.

If something like..."


Oh good! Thanks. That gives me a good idea. I will be finishing Bitten tonight, so I will see how I feel then.


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new_user | 1389 comments I would suggest PU as the best PNR of those three, but then again, I don't care for Frank and Bitten isn't really PNR.


I ♥ Bookie Nookie (bookienookiereviews.blogspot.com) (ibookienookie) new_user wrote: "I would suggest PU as the best PNR of those three, but then again, I don't care for Frank and Bitten isn't really PNR."

Bitten isn't PNR? This link is where this series was suggested to me. i must be confused about what PNR really is--but then again, I am a little shady on PNR vs Urban Fantasy too.

What exactly should a book have to constitute PNR?


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new_user | 1389 comments PNR is romance first-- basically an HEA in one book and then moving on to the next couple, in a nutshell.

UF can carry on a relationship or plotline through several books, etc. They also tend to be more action-oriented/gritty (not always the case, of course). There are a few series that cross the line, but most are very strongly in one direction or another.


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Shannon (theholyterror) | 313 comments Cherra wrote: "What exactly should a book have to constitute PNR? "

I've always thought that with PNR the story revolves around the romance and Urban Fantasy doesn't, most of the time Urban Fantasy doesn't have any romance at all, or it only plays a very small role. So paranormal romance can be urban fantasy but urban fantasy can't be pnr. Or at least that's how I think of it. Some people say that pnr has to have a "happily-ever-after" ending but I don't see it that way.


I ♥ Bookie Nookie (bookienookiereviews.blogspot.com) (ibookienookie) new_user wrote: "PNR is romance first-- basically an HEA in one book and then moving on to the next couple, in a nutshell.

UF can carry on a relationship or plotline through several books, etc. They also tend to ..."


So that basically means that the large majority of the topics covered in this group "Paranormal Romance" is actually not PNR at all?

So, for clarification, these series starters for instance--heavily discussed in this group are not PNR?
Magic Bites (Kate Daniels, #1) by Ilona Andrews One Foot in the Grave (Night Huntress, #2) by Jeaniene Frost [image error] Magic Study (Study, #2) by Maria V. Snyder Darkfever (Fever, #1) by Karen Marie Moning A Kiss of Shadows (Meredith Gentry, #1)  by Laurell K. Hamilton [image error] Succubus Blues (Georgina Kincaid, #1) by Richelle Mead [image error] Guilty Pleasures (Anita Blake, Vampire Hunter, #1) by Laurell K. Hamilton

But series starters such as the following are in fact considered PNR:
Dark Lover (Black Dagger Brotherhood, #1) by J.R. Ward Kiss of Midnight (Midnight Breed, #1) by Lara Adrian Slave to Sensation (Psy-Changeling, #1) by Nalini Singh Jacob by Jacquelyn Frank


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new_user | 1389 comments Well, when publishers label a book as Romance, including sub-genres, it's usually expected that there's an HEA. They have certain guidelines for their various lines.


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Shannon (theholyterror) | 313 comments new_user wrote: "Well, when publishers label a book as Romance, including sub-genres, it's usually expected that there's an HEA. They have certain guidelines for their various lines."

Yeah? I guess I never really paid that much attention to whether or not there was an HEA ending or not. Sometimes things don't always end well for the characters in one book but they might in another so that's why I wasn't thinking that it was a requirement for a book to be considered PNR.



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i am reading the third book to the nightworld series it is really good but get this i've read this series twice before because this is the awesomest vampire books ive read so far besides twilight


message 3671: by Shannon (last edited Oct 14, 2009 02:57PM) (new)

Shannon (theholyterror) | 313 comments Cherra, I think most of those books that you posted as being UF have elements of PNR, but they're mostly UF. I haven't read them all but I would consider the two LKH series and Succubus Blues PNR. Well, maybe Guilty Pleasures in more UF but the series as a whole is PNR.


message 3672: by new_user (last edited Oct 14, 2009 03:02PM) (new)

new_user | 1389 comments Oops, Cherra, we posted at the same time, LOL. Yep, that's the way they're classified. A lot of people discuss both because they like the paranormal elements, etc. so it doesn't particularly matter to them if it's carried through one book or several, or they simply like the two styles. The fans cross lines so the threads inevitably do too, LOL. :)


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Shannon (theholyterror) | 313 comments Honestly, I wouldn't worry about labeling them so much. I'm sure you'll find someone that'll argue with you and say something is PNR when you think it's UF. If you look at Succubus Blues for example, 73 people have it shelved as UF and 36 (I'm one of them) have it shelved as PNR.


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Shannon (theholyterror) | 313 comments new_user wrote: "The fans cross lines so the threads inevitably do too, LOL. :) "

Yeah, you're right, there is a lot of cross-over with the two sub-genres. They're so similar it can be hard to distinguish between the two.




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new_user | 1389 comments LOL. Yeah, it's not really a biggie. The only reason I check the labels is because I tend to like PNR more.


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Shannon (theholyterror) | 313 comments new_user wrote: "LOL. Yeah, it's not really a biggie. The only reason I check the labels is because I tend to like PNR more."

Same here. Without romance I get bored pretty quickly. Most of the time with UF I'm thinking, "come ON, jump each other's bones already!" and then nothing happens. That's frustrating.


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new_user | 1389 comments LOL! Me too, man, me too. The scenes in UF (maybe just the ones I've read) seem to be much less detailed in comparison to PNR.


message 3678: by Shannon (last edited Oct 14, 2009 03:06PM) (new)

Shannon (theholyterror) | 313 comments And whoops, sorry for derailing the thread everyone! Heh.

Anyway ... I'm reading Speak of the Devil (Morgan Kingsley, #4) by Jenna Black right now and I'm really hoping there's some m/m sexy time with Adam. I'd wish for m/m/f but stupid Morgan is such a prude.


I ♥ Bookie Nookie (bookienookiereviews.blogspot.com) (ibookienookie) Okay, so not that it matters, but I just like to know...so I looked up both and all the popular "PNR" series I posted are considered UF. Here are the wikipedia definitions if anyone is interested:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_fa...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranorm...

it also looks like when PNR is in UF it is actually considered Urban Fantasy Romance! Really, this is getting waaaaaay too technical.

Not existing in the real world with any form of romance=PNR in my little mind :-)


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FlibBityFLooB *Laugh* Cherra, I agree it's all very confusing.

I was using the continuing storyline for the most part to distinguish between UF and PNR. However, I think most people here like both so we discuss it as one-in-the-same. :)


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Shannon (theholyterror) | 313 comments new_user wrote: "LOL! Me too, man, me too. The scenes in UF (maybe just the ones I've read) seem to be much less detailed in comparison to PNR."

Yeah, a lot of times the scene just fades away or glosses over the good parts. Soooo lame. I had this problem with Sookie's books for a while, I wanted the scenes to be just a bit more graphic, somewhere in between what the show is and what the books are. I mean, I have an imagination and all, but come ON.


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new_user | 1389 comments LOL. That's cool. Whatever definitions are most useful personally, use 'em. ;) They're just meant to help you find the products you want, anyway.

Originally, UF was meant to lean a lot more towards typical fantasy novels, only in our modern world. Now a lot of them are written like ongoing PNR.


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new_user | 1389 comments Shannon wrote: "new_user wrote: "LOL! Me too, man, me too. The scenes in UF (maybe just the ones I've read) seem to be much less detailed in comparison to PNR."

Yeah, a lot of times the scene just fades away or g..."


LMAO. Too true.


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Shannon (theholyterror) | 313 comments Cherra wrote: "it also looks like when PNR is in UF it is actually considered Urban Fantasy Romance! Really, this is getting waaaaaay too technical."

I was actually having a problem like this when I was trying to categorize Soulless. Is it historical paranormal steampunk romance, or urban historical romantic fantasy, or urban paranormal romantic historical steampunk fantasy science fiction? Lol, that hurts my head!


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Shannon (theholyterror) | 313 comments new_user wrote: "LOL. That's cool. Whatever definitions are most useful personally, use 'em. ;) They're just meant to help you find the products you want, anyway.

Originally, UF was meant to lean a lot more towards typical fantasy novels, only in our modern world. Now a lot of them are written like ongoing PNR."


Yeah, you're right - that's what I used to think of it as; modern times with a fantasy twist and I think the Dresden Files would be a perfect example. Nowadays though it seems that the definition has been blurred a bit.

But yeah, I try not to get too hung up on where a certain book or series "fits." I honestly will read any genre if the story is good.


I ♥ Bookie Nookie (bookienookiereviews.blogspot.com) (ibookienookie) Oh lord! I am not even gonna worry about what "steampunk" might encompass. :-))


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new_user | 1389 comments LOL! Yeah, the historicals are even harder. Good thing we have multiple shelves. Virtually at least, LOL.


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The Flooze (the_flooze) | 1593 comments The distinction between PNR & UF is huge to me! I'm not as big into PNR since it tends not to be as plot and action-heavy. I have to be in a totally different mindset for each. Plus, I think the sex in UF, when it's there, tends to be hotter! You get more info on what they're DOING as opposed to being stuck in their emotional descriptions.


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Shannon (theholyterror) | 313 comments Michelle M. wrote: "The distinction between PNR & UF is huge to me! I'm not as big into PNR since it tends not to be as plot and action-heavy. I have to be in a totally different mindset for each. Plus, I think the sex in UF, when it's there, tends to be hotter! You get more info on what they're DOING as opposed to being stuck in their emotional descriptions."

Really? I honestly feel likes it's the other way around. Hmm.




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Susan (Suz) (sharney) | 253 comments Oh my gosh, you ladies are totally cracking me up! this is a great convo to follow.... ;)


I ♥ Bookie Nookie (bookienookiereviews.blogspot.com) (ibookienookie) new_user wrote: "LOL! Yeah, the historicals are even harder. Good thing we have multiple shelves. Virtually at least, LOL."

I guess that is one very good reason I am a salesperson and not a librarian!


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Shannon (theholyterror) | 313 comments Cherra wrote: "new_user wrote: "LOL! Yeah, the historicals are even harder. Good thing we have multiple shelves. Virtually at least, LOL."

I guess that is one very good reason I am a salesperson and not a librarian!"


You know what kills me? I work at a B&N and Mead's Succubus series is shelved in plain old fiction. ::shudders:: It's like nails on a chalkboard for me every time I walk by them. Storm Born and Thorn Queen are both in SciFi/Fantasy though. How does that make any sense? And Cat and Bones are over in Romance. Sigh ... stupid corporate buyers that don't know anything about books ...


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Susan (Suz) (sharney) | 253 comments No wonder people get so confuses Shannon! ;)


message 3694: by new_user (last edited Oct 14, 2009 04:08PM) (new)

new_user | 1389 comments LOL, Michelle, I think I know which PNR you've been reading, and you need to read more good PNR. LOL. It is definitely not all emotional gymnastics. Take it from me, my tastes do not run in that directoin, LOL! (See, now I'm making it sound like that's the only reason I read these books, but I like plot too, I swear!)


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new_user | 1389 comments Shannon wrote: "Cherra wrote: "new_user wrote: "LOL! Yeah, the historicals are even harder. Good thing we have multiple shelves. Virtually at least, LOL."

I guess that is one very good reason I am a salesperson a..."


Yeah, I think that's because they're UF. You know, UF being under F. They might as well just give it its own section considering how popular it is now. I don't see why libraries don't, for that matter. Give the people what they want! Make those Twilight stands, attract the kiddies! Better that they're at the lib than the mall, LOL.


message 3696: by Shannon (last edited Oct 14, 2009 04:14PM) (new)

Shannon (theholyterror) | 313 comments new_user wrote: "They might as well just give it its own section considering how popular it is now."

Don't get me started. We don't even have a separate Horror section, it's all just shelved in Fiction. So that means Confessions of a Shopaholic and The Shining are shelved in the same bay. Sigh ...




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new_user | 1389 comments Shannon wrote: "new_user wrote: "They might as well just give it its own section considering how popular it is now."

Don't get me started. We don't even have a separate Horror section, it's all just shelved in Fi..."


LOL! Wow, that's too much.


message 3698: by Shannon (last edited Oct 14, 2009 04:22PM) (new)

Shannon  (shannoncb) new_user wrote: "PNR is romance first-- basically an HEA in one book and then moving on to the next couple, in a nutshell.

UF can carry on a relationship or plotline through several books, etc. They also tend to be more action-oriented/gritty (not always the case, of course). There are a few series that cross the line, but most are very strongly in one direction or another."


I would agree with new_user. The Women of the Underworld series isn't paranormal romance but rather urban fantasy. The romance isn't the focal point, though they can have happy endings they're not Disney endings ;)

Incidentally, though, the series used to - not sure if it still is - be shelved in the Horror section. That's where I've always found them.

And, of course, even sub-genres of a genre can cross with other sub-genres. Hence you get paranormal romance that could just as easily be urban fantasy, such as Jeaniene Frost's Night Huntress series. Makes shelving/tagging much less straight forward!


I ♥ Bookie Nookie (bookienookiereviews.blogspot.com) (ibookienookie) Shannon wrote: "new_user wrote: "They might as well just give it its own section considering how popular it is now."

Don't get me started. We don't even have a separate Horror section, it's all just shelved in Fi..."


**giggling** that's kinda funny! thinking back on my teenage years and the way I shopped, my dad would have probably categorized that as a horror--so maybe there is a method to the madness...or not :)


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new_user | 1389 comments Shannon wrote: "I would agree with new_user. The Women of the Underworld series isn't paranormal romance but rather urban fantasy. The romance isn't the focal point, though they can have happy endings they're not ..."

LOL. I still see them in catalogs as "horror." They're slow to change. ><


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