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Jason "plasborgma" wrote: "Loofahcat2 wrote: "I see what you mean; there are a lot of similarities. I wouldn't call it an exact copy, but I understand your point. However, doesn't Dean always have a sociopath or two in his..."I know...I was just trying to be funny (trying being the key word) :)
Vicky
Dustin wrote: "Jinnifer wrote: "Was Jim really Jim with mulitple personalities or was it Henry that really killed Jim and was so mentally stressed that he blacked out and was hearing things."
I've been thinking ..."
I have not really even thought about Koontz connecting the books but I do think there maybe something to the chaos theory at least something there for Koontz. I personally think that he believes in the chaos theory and he wants to put into an aspects in his books that will lead his readers to believe this theory or at least be open to researching the theory.
I would have to go back and look through Odd Thomas to be able to make any connection to these two books, but who really knows what Koontz could do. It would be awesome if he is gunna do that type of thing to give a few more tie ins or hints to help us out with that. :)
I've been thinking ..."
I have not really even thought about Koontz connecting the books but I do think there maybe something to the chaos theory at least something there for Koontz. I personally think that he believes in the chaos theory and he wants to put into an aspects in his books that will lead his readers to believe this theory or at least be open to researching the theory.
I would have to go back and look through Odd Thomas to be able to make any connection to these two books, but who really knows what Koontz could do. It would be awesome if he is gunna do that type of thing to give a few more tie ins or hints to help us out with that. :)
Jason "plasborgma" wrote: "Dustin wrote: "I've been thinking more about your theory Jinnifer - I didn't pick up on that - I'd have to re-read it and see if it fit, but if it was true it would explain why there is no further ..."
LOL!!!! I kinda tend to agree with you Jason. The connection to Henry and Jim (Henry really) to the senator was...Henry had embezzled a ton of money and things from the government and in the beginning Henry was in on it with a senator but then branched out on his own. Now with that being said...we are told nothing else of the senator and it really was a random story line because we don't know the senator, we don't know what the whole plan was, we don't know what was about to go down that Henry said was going to rattle the world...so I am not sure at all why that story line was even introduced into the book.
LOL!!!! I kinda tend to agree with you Jason. The connection to Henry and Jim (Henry really) to the senator was...Henry had embezzled a ton of money and things from the government and in the beginning Henry was in on it with a senator but then branched out on his own. Now with that being said...we are told nothing else of the senator and it really was a random story line because we don't know the senator, we don't know what the whole plan was, we don't know what was about to go down that Henry said was going to rattle the world...so I am not sure at all why that story line was even introduced into the book.
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It's in Brother Odd :-) very similar idea but you're probably right - just Koontz's idea placed in at least two novels that I've noticed so far :-)
The connection to Henry and Jim (Henry really) to the senator was...Henry had embezzled a ton of money and things from the government and in the beginning Henry was in on it with a senator but then branched out on his own. Now with that being said...we are told nothing else of the senator and it really was a random story line because we don't know the senator, we don't know what the whole plan was, we don't know what was about to go down that Henry said was going to rattle the world...so I am not sure at all why that story line was even introduced into the book.I just finished the book last night and I agree with you, Jennifer. There were too many things left hanging in my opinion and I wanted to know more. I enjoyed the book and thrilled over Puzzle and Riddle, but I just felt that Dean should have gone a little further and made the book a little longer to answer some hanging questions at the end. I do have to say that I liked the book.
Vicky
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Yep.
Yep.Maybe he'll do a sequel! :)
Vicky
Loofahcat2 wrote: "...Maybe he'll do a sequel! :)"There were quite a few things I didn't like about the book other than the loose endings, so I hope a sequel remains...breathless.
Jason "plasborgma" wrote: "Loofahcat2 wrote: "...Maybe he'll do a sequel! :)"
There were quite a few things I didn't like about the book other than the loose endings, so I hope a sequel remains...breathless."
I TOTALLY AGREE!!!! That made me laugh out loud! So witty you are Jason
There were quite a few things I didn't like about the book other than the loose endings, so I hope a sequel remains...breathless."
I TOTALLY AGREE!!!! That made me laugh out loud! So witty you are Jason
Jinnifer wrote: "...That made me laugh out loud! So witty you are Jason"Thanks, Jinnifer--I try. :-)
I just started Breathless today. After, I plan to start the first Frankenstein and then I will almost be caught up with all of the group reads.
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Matt R. wrote: "I just started Breathless today...."I'm sorry.
Jason "plasborgma" wrote: "Matt R. wrote: "I just started Breathless today...."I'm sorry."
LOL. We sure don't go easy on poor Dean.
Maciek wrote: "LOL. We sure don't go easy on poor Dean."Well, the fact that we are willing to criticize his work occasionally means that we take it seriously and and find it important enough to bother criticizing. That is why I always take even criticism as a complement and why he should too. ;-)
I'm sure he does. I wish all people did (yes, I'm talking to you).
Maciek wrote: "I'm sure he does. I wish all people did (yes, I'm talking to you)."To whom are you talking?
Maciek wrote: "I won't tell. : P"I don't know of you criticizing anyone else here but Dean.
Because I'm not. OR AM I ?
Maciek wrote: "Because I'm not. OR AM I ?"I would think that if you have been criticizing someone else, then he/she would know it. :-P
That's certainly an interesting observation. Let's see what happens.
Jason "plasborgma" wrote: "Matt R. wrote: "I just started Breathless today...."I'm sorry."
Ha, ha! I am breathless...
Here is a nice and simple article that was recently published that provides answers to many of Koontz's implied criticisms of the theory of evolution by natural selection that are contained in Breathless. Enjoy! :-)http://www.pnas.org/content/early/201...
Jason "plasborgma" wrote: "Here is a nice and simple article that was recently published that provides answers to many of Koontz's implied criticisms of the theory of evolution by natural selection that are contained in Brea..."But he proved it's wrong with mathematics! Are mathmematics wrong?
Maciek wrote: "But he proved it's wrong with mathematics! Are mathmematics wrong?"Touche. ;-)
Besides, I saw this book at a supermarket, no way it's a lie. No way! They wouldn't sell it if it was.
Maciek wrote: "Besides, I saw this book at a supermarket, no way it's a lie. No way! They wouldn't sell it if it was."Tru dat! :-P
I suspect that you have your own personal agenda with promoting that nasty article. All scientist lie. Guess where I've read that.
Maciek wrote: "I suspect that you have your own personal agenda with promoting that nasty article. All scientist lie. Guess where I've read that."Haven't I also read somewhere that we're all evil atheists who live for nothing other than our own glory and arrogance? :-)
Atheists, satanists, who cares...it's always the scientist! Or the government. Most propably both.
Maciek wrote: "Atheists, satanists, who cares...it's always the scientist! Or the government. Most propably both."Yes, government scientists are the worst. They are atheists and Satanists simultaneously.
And they are responsible for creating crazy mutated baboons that stalk perfectly respectable people. I mean, what were they thinking?
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Yes, I was perhaps exaggerating a bit there. :-) Dean certainly does often have a sociopath in his stories, but that was one of the more minor/weaker similarities that I pointed out, among many other better ones.