Christopher Paolini (INHERITANCE CYCLE series) discussion
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Katie wrote: "Rachel (aka. Kaiserin Sisi) wrote: "Muslim law does not allow for forced marriages, although it does allow polygamy. "Isn't that the whole deal with Muslims? Aren't all the believers supposed t..."
I haven't read anythign like that anywhere.
Yes, thank you Stephanie. For instance, there are many unpretty things that the Catholics or Protestants are known for, but I don't like to think of those because I admire and respect those religions and think that there are far more GOOD things about them. Actually, I don't want to talk about the bad points of any religion at all. It's just not smart. (This includes debating Islam when there are no Muslims here to tell us the truth.) Anyway, just my opinion. :)
Yeah, have you ever read the small print- I believe it's somewhere around the end of the Doctrine and Covenants. It has several paragraphs on it.
Yes, I read that a few weeks ago, actually! I think that was pretty interesting. That was a thing of the past that wasn't exclusively Mormon. That jsut wasn't us as a church, which is why I slightly resent being indentified by that.
I don't resent it but I thought it was cool how they had that at the end there.
Yeah, that really was cool. And I must admit that I do resent it, mainly because there's a polygamous sect or two nearby, and there's lots of misconceptions about us here. There's more than a few kids in my high school that actually come from those towns; some just go to school here, and others are actually Mormons whose parents broke away from that and rejoined the church, which I think is awesome of them. :)
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~♥Alyssa♥~ wrote: "Yeah, that really was cool. And I must admit that I do resent it, mainly because there's a polygamous sect or two nearby, and there's lots of misconceptions about us here. There's more than a few k..."i can see why it woudl bother you.
Yeah... Sorta like Muslims and terrorism. I suppose that's why I was to vehement when that was brought up.
*takes deep breath* Ok, I am not a Mormon spokesperson, so hopefully this will be accurate, cuz for me, at least, it's complex. Ok...First of all, we don't necessarily believe in being "saved," because we don't really believe in a split between heaven and hell. But there is this thing called the Plan of Salvation (it has other names, too). So we all lived with God before life on Earth, and then we were born here to learn and experience life. When you die, you go to either "Spirit Prison" (the name doesn't reflect it very accurately...the "torture" is more like guilt, not "fire and brimstone") or "Paradise." Then after the Second Coming, you will be judged and enter one of three places: The Celestial Kingdom (where God lives), the Terrestial Kingdom, or the Telestial Kingdom (the lowest one - but not where the devil lives). None of those are really bad; one prophet - can't remember which - said something like that if people could see what even the Telestial Kingdom looked like, half the world would commit suicide to get there. The real punishment there is being seperated from God the majority of the time (He still comes there). Anyway, to get to the Celestial Kingdom, you must be baptized and repent constantly for any sins you commit/have committed. And of course, to do that, you have to believe in God, Jesus, the Atonement, etc. Gosh, I really hope I'm explaining this right... You can go here for actual information that's more accurate than me: lds.org and mormon.org . The latter is more for questions you have.
Thanks for explaining and for the links. It's always nice to learn about the different religions. Christianity is so prevalent and outspoken, it's sometimes hard to hear from the quieter religions.
No problem. Hopefully I got it right. I really like studying other religions, actually, and hearing from my friends about theirs.
Katie wrote: "Yes, it is isn'teresting to hear what other people believe. I wish I knew more about vraious religions."Back when i went to high school many years ago, (haha had to say that! now i can actually pull that line off LOL!) we had a class called world religion were we learned about different religion. it was not bad...different, from what i can remember.
but of course it was only offered in the Catholic school system...at least to my knowledge... o.O
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If it's treated as a history class, I find it interesting. I never had it in school but I've tried to absorb whatever information comes my way. Plus I'm not afraid to ask questions.
Whenever I learn about different cultures in history i've had ot learn about their religions so...
I think it would be considered as history.....
Katie wrote: "Yeah, I suppose it would be considered as history, but I don't think I've ever had to study for history. I wanted to last year, but it never happened."that's too bad ><....
you could always research on your own?
Anna wrote: "This is written by a woman born and raised in Egypt and later in GazaCruel and Usual Punishment: The Terrifying Global Implications of Islamic Law
by Nonie Darwish
In the Muslim faith, a Musl..."
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(hi! I'm new here!)
This is a complete piece of crap and should be burned, (excuse my language please.) I'm Muslim, and I can guarantee you this,
is there is ANYONE out there who believes this, he/she is a very twisted, cruel and insane person. It isn't new to people that people of the same religion might change it a bit, like Christians have protestants, catholics etc. However, in this case, this is just plain anti-islam. Its like the terrorists all over again, blamming Islam on their disgusting behaviour. Suicide is a sin in Islam.
In Islam, your allowed four wives ONLY if you have the financial means and you treat them fairly. Of course, there are men out there who take advantage of this and hold the statement 'a man can have 4 wives in Islam' as an excuse of their actions, but don't state a word of the CONDITIONS. The reason men are allowed four wives is because it is predicted in the holy book that there would be more women than men in the future anyway, not because for their PLEASURE. In fact, our prophet married one woman who he fell in love in, and after she died, he didn't want to remarry. But God asked him to, and he married widows to take care of them--Don't think its for his pleasure, (I know there are people saying he was mad for sex. That is utter rubbish) since at that time there definately weren't contraptions, and he didn't have anymore children after his first wife.
abusing wives?? That's RUBBISH! In Islam, its COMPULSORY for their husbands to give their wives monthly money and to treat them right! Which moron wrote this??
And the other disgusting points are HORRIBLE. Whoever this women is, she must have been brought up in a cruel environment. I wouldn't be surprised that she came from a country terrorists flock in.
In fact, a man having sex with a women while they are unwedded (with her consent) is a huge sin (but obviously in modern times, this is much ignored)what more a man raping a women?
Abuse is without doubt AGAINST anything said in Islam. In Islam, we do not believe in forcing those into our religion at all. In fact, our phrophet did not allow his hostages in war to be forced into Islam.
Having sex with a one year old? MY GOD! What sick crap is this???? Is that even POSSIBLE? (don't ans that question. I don't want to know.)
Islam has women rights, and this women hasn't been brought up in Islam. It's the same religion the terrorists believe in :cruelty, cunning, and pure disgusting EVIL. Honestly, what Islam has to do with this baffles me.
Anyway, what are you guys discussing really?
~♥Alyssa♥~ wrote: "Anna wrote: "http://www.amazon.com/Cruel-Usual-Pun..."That's disgusting. I mean, not what it teaches a..."
I agree. No religion is bad. No one has a right to insult any other religion. In fact, I go to a Methodist school, and have friends of different religions, Hindus, Christians. Buddhists and free-thinkers.
I find it disgusting that there are people out there burning each other's sacred houses and tempels, and degrading other religions. People who kill others because of religion-hate are not fit to be part of ANY religion. They should totally learn respect. Ugh.
Sometimes I wonder why people can't just shut up and respect each other, or learn more and understand instead of blabbing their mouths out and think so highly of themselves.
Yay! I'm glad we have you now, so we have a Muslim to tell us what's correct and what isn't. Some people just take things to extremes. I think I read a quote that was like "Religion isn't the cause of war, it's the excuse." Sorta like that? I mean, with the terrorists claiming that that's their religous beliefs when it's not. We actually just got done studying Islam in school, and we had these ladies come in from India, and they made sure we understood that Muslims are not terrorists, and not at terrorists are Muslims - and the ones who are aren't doing what they should.
Ain020596 wrote: "~♥Alyssa♥~ wrote: "Anna wrote: "http://www.amazon.com/Cruel-Usual-Pun..."That's disgusting. I mean, no..."
What can be more disgusting then that is when they pass the hatred on to their children....so their children continue that habit.
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But yeah, I agree with everything you said. We just finished studying Islam too, and learned a lot of what you just said.
Ain020596 wrote: "Anna wrote: "This is written by a woman born and raised in Egypt and later in GazaCruel and Usual Punishment: The Terrifying Global Implications of Islamic Law
by Nonie Darwish
In the Mu..."
Nicely put, it's good to have a Muslim in here to clear up such rubbish.
I believe we are discussing whether or not we believe in religion or not. Is this correct everyone? then we got discussing about what religion everyone is from....ect...
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John wrote: "graziella: we were, because i am not religious, and fail to see how somebody can put their trust in something that has no proof. "Okay I thought so.
I think that religion is a way to help people overcome the unknown...you know? This is my view. I'm in no way...religious...i don't go to church every week either.
As for the proof part...not sure how it is for other religions....but Jesus was a real person..as for thing things that were done...and what had happen, I'm not to sure. They make documentaries about Jesus's life prior to finding his disciples and his life as a missionary in the middle east. (all on the history channel I believe or History civilization channel...not sure one of them by discovery channel) proof in the form of scrolls.
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Okay I thought so.
I think that religion is a way to help people overcome the unknown...you know? This is my view. I'm in no way...religious...i don't go to church every week either."
This is exactly how I feel.
Yeah, I agree with Katie. Religion is more than just desperate hope for something beyond life.
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The thing about muslims get prostitudes is a lie it is illegal to be a prositude or have sex before marrige.
that might be what the radical Muslims...I know the radical leaders say stuff, don't know waht, and then the young minds of the younger generation are brainwashed to thinking this radical version is acceptable too. So...in thinking it is okay they do it. Wait...are you talking about the lie that is told to the bombers who blow themselves up? the one where if they do it they will get like 7 virgins in heaven (or holy place) or something like that?
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I myself have never believed in god. I believe in the Big Bang Theory, or something similar to it. While some people may not believe that we evolved from dust particles, you are asking ME to believe that there is an all-powerful being somewhere in the universe that created all of us? Don't think so. The Bible itself has been changed so many times base on what scholars and churches want to be in it, and I happen to think that the original bible was made by some guy who said "I'm going to write a book" and wrote it, and then managed to convince some idiots that it was true. Basically an early version of fantasy. People back then had harder lives. There was sickness all over the place, no technology, and they got desperate. I got baptized into my church, but not because I believe in god - because I'm not allowed to hang out with the youth group if I didn't, so I accepted. I'm sorry if this offends some people, it's just not plausible in my mind. And I get really ticked off at people who believe so much in God... like I have a friend that refuses to do anything with me on sunday because it's "sabbath" and she hasn't come to my birthday party for the last four years because she always chooses church. I don't get why people believe. Maybe it's just because I never went to church as a kid. The people there are nice, and I like seeing hem. I just don't believe in God. Sorry. Besides, it's just like dragons. There was never any such things as dragons, yet why do so many cultures have them when they couldn't have been connected by convos? Because they rose from animals that all the cultures had - lizards, snakes, and birds. It's just a fact of life, people. I don't think there's a God, and I'm darn sure I'm right. :)
Nightpaw (StormClan) wrote: "The Bible itself has been changed so many times base on what scholars and churches want to be in it, and I happen to think that the original bible was made by some guy who said "I'm going to write a book" and wrote it, and then managed to convince some idiots that it was true. "Jesus was a real person and he did have a book but a Roman politician (cant' remember a name) changed everything that Jesus had said this new religion. He cut out pieces of the stories and took stuff from other different religions and pasted them together to create the present roman catholic version of the bible.
this is after Jesus was killed.
saw this on a documentary, can't remember the name of it either..it was a while ago.
well maybe jesus was real, but who made him the son of God?
I think this was exaggerated...by the church later on. He was a real person living in Jerusalem though.
well maybe and maybe he had a gift with healing but there is no way he was the son of an imaginary being.
agreed. We do know that Mary was a real person and she wasn't a The Gospel of Mary Magdalene was found in the late 1800's in Egypt.
she wasn't the prostitute that the church said she was. she was a disciple of Jesus and all the other were jealous of her because they said that Jesus loved her more.
sorry haha I find this all to interesting.
i believe that some of the people were real. there was probably a mary, and a jesus. i just don't they were in any way connected to "God"
Nightpaw (StormClan) wrote: "I myself have never believed in god. I believe in the Big Bang Theory, or something similar to it. While some people may not believe that we evolved from dust particles, you are asking ME to believ..."Hm, well, I also don't do things on Sundays. I believe in my church, and I try to keep my standards, so I;m like your friend and I've missed things with my friends to go to church. But then, some of my best friends go to church with me...
so it's not that bad to go when your friends go too. :)
I think that "God" has so many flaws it's not funny. You can believe it if you want, but I think it's a load of bull and I will never believe. Jesus couldn't have been Gods son, because there is no God.My friend us nice and all, she just always chooses church which really annoys me.
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Yeah, it didn't need sound.I agree that people go to religion for what they look for and reach for and hope for, but I don't think it's real. Besides - who are we to say that our religions are true when many people ages ago, like the Egyptians and Greeks and Romans, believed in "Gods" and we have deemed their Gods fake, so why ours? Just because we need something in our lives doesn't make it real.
John, just so you know, people did that because, as said earlier, we are made to worship and they thought it was part of their religion. If you, a scientist of some sort prob, found some extraordinary piece of the evolutionary puzzle that was missing you would almost worship it too, being obsessive over it etc. But, in the future it will be probably be disproven (as so many theories and such before) it will look to those from the future the exact same as you look upon those from the past who worshiped the bones of supposed saints.
Let's think of it this way. Polygamy was practiced in Bible times. When the Joseph Smith restored- under God's direction- organized the church polygamy was not practice. I could even quote some things on this subject. So as far as I know- and I'm pretty sure I'm right- we didn't practice polygamy when we were actually known as Mormons. So...I think that's kind of a stupid thing to be known for since we didn't practice in when we became known as Mormons. It was a practice during Bible times.