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As for Gandalf knowing his potential, he was a wizard, one of the 'wise ones' sent to the Middle Earth by the Vala. While the wizards looked like men, they were a lot more than them, both physically & mentally.
We're shown Gandalf's ability to know more than he should right at the beginning when he tells Bilbo to fetch 'the cold chicken' & Bilbo mutters how Gandalf seemed to know the state of his larder better than he did.

So he chose a hobbit, one who has a couple of adventurers in his ancestors, because he thought there would still be enough of the adventurer type in him.
It turned out there was a lot more than he bargained for.
Bilbo is also the hero chosen by the author for a story he wrote for children, so he couldn't be a strong character. For a child, a strong character would be seen as a grown-up, not someone he can identify with.
On the contrary, a small creature overcoming his fears in a great adventure is very close to a child growing up in a fearful world (monsters in the dark or under the bed, spiders, barking dogs, vertigo, fear of being lost or abandoned and so on).
Bilbo is facing a lot of the children's fears in his adventure.



Bilbo seems to me to be the purest type of hero. He only ever wanted to do what was right & managed it even though he was the least likely hero I've read about.


He did what I often do. Get myself in over my head by opening my mouth. And since neither I nor Bilbo is willing to forsake a promise, we wind up doing things we would never do otherwise. Perhaps "Accidental" should be added along with "reluctant", hmm?
Either way, he is clearly the hero. I think the stereotypical muscle-bound archetype of a hero is no longer seen favourably in most audiences. We prefer the reluctant, accidental, "common" types. We prefer people more like ourselves.


I was thinking more along the way of timelines. In the past, such stereotypes were seen quite favourably. No longer so. As society has evolved, so has its tastes. What we consider "B-level books" were A-level at one time, I believe.
To me the best hero's are the ones you least expect to be hero's but whose inner strength comes out when needed in the most darkest circumstances. The person may not even know of this inner strenght until it is tested and then may even have doubts of their own abilities. Bilbo represented a country english gentleman content on his farm, with the worries of the world far away. Happy in his peaceful little hobbit hole, smoking his pipe and drinking beer, he had no need for adventure, so he believed. In the beginning he is shown as shy and timid with many fears. His personality does develop as he overcomes the difficulties he meets during the journey. At the end of the story we see Bilbo with the strongest character.
Moses had his own fears when God spoke to him to lead his people. He was known as being very timid and shy and doubted his own ablities. Yet he was able to do as requested in the end through trials. Maybe it is the inner strength that makes the true hero, rather than any raw brutal strength.
Moses had his own fears when God spoke to him to lead his people. He was known as being very timid and shy and doubted his own ablities. Yet he was able to do as requested in the end through trials. Maybe it is the inner strength that makes the true hero, rather than any raw brutal strength.

Now, in our modern world, we like to think that any individual can achieve great things given the opportunity. We like to wonder what we would do in the same situation.
Tolkien, having lived through trench battles in Word War I, must have seen heroes a bit like Bilbo, lost in the middle of a terrifying war.

I think one of the most heroic things Bilbo did, was to try to make peace between the humans and the dwarves after Smaug was killed. He recognized that greatness was not found in war, but in preventing that war, in saving lives and creating friendships. I think that would really have been one of the hardest things to do. In a way he was betraying the dwarves by taking the diamond to the humans, but he was doing it for the good of all.