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Jim wrote: "doesn't say a lot for the other candidates put up against him does it"Society gets the politicians it deserves, as the old saying goes.
My daughter voted for her candidate of choice in column one and two. She didn't want to transfer her vote which I understand but I'm not sure if she invalidated her vote as it clearly said vote once for your candidate. I'm still undecided. The choice was awful but it wasn't me voting for him.
My daughter voted for her candidate of choice in column one and two. She didn't want to transfer her vote which I understand but I'm not sure if she invalidated her vote as it clearly said vote once for your candidate. I'm still undecided. The choice was awful but it wasn't me voting for him.
Lynne (Tigger's Mum) wrote: "My daughter voted for her candidate of choice in column one and two. She didn't want to transfer her vote which I understand but I'm not sure if she invalidated her vote as it clearly said vote onc..."So have you invalidated your post by posting it twice? :-)
A pedant writes: The Welsh Assembly isn't elected by a Transferable Vote system, you actually get two votes. One is to choose a constituency member, by First Past The Post, and another for a Party List. After the constituencies are decided, further members are added to the assembly based on the party list votes, with the aim of ensuring that the number of Assembly Members each party has better reflects the overall count. These additional members are taken off the list in descending order. Neil Hamilton was top of the UKIP list in Wales, and so, by virtue of the overall proportion of votes cast for UKIP, he got elected.My preference would be for the system they use in Northern Ireland; the Single Transferable Vote with Multi-member Constituencies. I believe that this is the Electoral Reform Society's preferred option. The multi-member constituency has the huge benefit that at least one of the members should be broadly sympathetic to your world-view. Whilst competent MP's of all persuasions will help with straightforward cases of maladministration, I have found that with our current system, complaints along the lines of "The government of which you are a loyal member is totally screwing up my local school" are given short shrift.
Fat fingers me! Is that how it worked David, as well as sending Pembrokeshire the wrong papers they managed to confuse me totally. I'm usually good with forms but I would have really messed up if husband hadn't said. They told us to throw away a green form as it was wrong but both forms new and old were grey. I'm not colour blind either.
Lynne (Tigger's Mum) wrote: "Fat fingers me!"That made me giggle Lynne - I remember my friend telling her Dad he was going a bit thin on top........ his reply - "so, who wants fat hair".
Did anyone see the articles in the papers last week of 15 people stowing away in a refrigerated lorry and were taken off at Clackett Lane? They were in a consignment of Aunt Bessie's frozen roast potatoes. Why the hell are we importing frozen roast potatoes. The cost of transport must be higher than the worth of the raw materials - Its crazy. If there's anything we grow well it's potatoes!
Sorry Lynne - I know I shouldn't, but it's got to be said........ were they a bit mashed up when they arrived - or did they have to chip them out???
Dauphinoise if they were the continent
I just hope things get sauteed (sorry, no accent on my ipad) out.
I've just seen a lorry fully laden with Spanish eggs. Olé. Why are we importing such foods?
Lynne (Tigger's Mum) wrote: "I've just seen a lorry fully laden with Spanish eggs. Olé. Why are we importing such foods?"
cheaper labour for a start, fewer welfare inspections and lower cost inspections,
So inferior products but cheap. Must be very cheap as the cost to transport them is around £1000 if not more. There's a fundamental change needed. I hope Brexit starts it.
Lynne (Tigger's Mum) wrote: "I've just seen a lorry fully laden with Spanish eggs. Olé. Why are we importing such foods?"
I get eggs from my friend's son.
Which reminds me I must ask for another half box for later this week.
Neither eggs nor chickens are cheap (cheep cheep) in France. I don't know about production costs but they are a premuim product of some regions and much dearer than in the UK.
My ndn has not long started keeping chickens............ I'm still waiting for my neighbourly share!
Lynne (Tigger's Mum) wrote: "Neither eggs nor chickens are cheap (cheep cheep) in France. I don't know about production costs but they are a premuim product of some regions and much dearer than in the UK."The Netherlands, Poland and Spain are the three big exporters in the EU
And now I want cheese, pickles and olives.
I've got olives! Bags of them in oil and herbs and a couple of jars but travelling with cheese stinks so no cheese, sorry.
At the archives this morning and I've just read in a 1903 newspaper, that a stepfather, who beat his 6 year old stepdaughter - literally - black and blue, only had a £5 fine. I want a time machine, so I can travel back and kick him where it hurts!!!!!! Grrrrr!What made it worse was the magistrate said he didn't like to interfere with parents' chastisement of their children!!
T4bsF (Call me Flo) wrote: "At the archives this morning and I've just read in a 1903 newspaper, that a stepfather, who beat his 6 year old stepdaughter - literally - black and blue, only had a £5 fine. I want a time machine,..."Thank goodness we live now and not then, although maybe some of his neighbours would have 'disciplined' the father? Let's hope so.
I would lend you my old beech tree but it might take you too far back in time - unless you have a hankering to play with Prince John, too.
No thanks.... he scares me!
and yet people are forever ragging on social workers and the Nanny State...
T4bsF (Call me Flo) wrote: "No thanks.... he scares me!"Aw, poor John. On the plus side, I think he treated his kids okay, lol.
............perhaps that Beech tree would come in handy!!!
I was fascinated by a omment from Theresa May in the debate yesterday.'Suffolk is investigating the benefits of a devolution settlement.' Rephrased, sorry, but amazing non the less.
Will wrote: "I was fascinated by a omment from Theresa May in the debate yesterday.'Suffolk is investigating the benefits of a devolution settlement.' Rephrased, sorry, but amazing non the less."
Shouldn't that be an omment ???? :-)
I've also been thinking about the fluctuations in the pound, and this occurs to me.The pound is now effectively at its proper value., like it or not. For the past decade, for political reasons, the Bank Of England has been supporting the value via the ruinous Quantitive Easing mechanism, giving the banks free money to buy the Government Bonds and keep the value high.
This has obscured the underlying weaknesses of the economy and the equally ruinous activity with the Single Market. (Although not from Moody's who removed the AAA rating earlier this year). Presently we grossly over rely on our trade with Europe, which runs at a LOSS estimated to be £ 100 billion + this year (H M TReasury, Feb 2016 - before the referendum). Invisibles recover maybe a quarter or a third of that annually. That is unsustainable. However much the single market contributes to the GDP, we cannot continue on the current basis and have to refocus elsewhere.
Just reading an article in the Telegraph which rather agreed with you and quoted some interesting supportersBack when he was business secretary Vince Cable reckoned the pound was 10% too high, the IMF talked about 15% too high and Ashoka Mody who was with the IMF reckoned that by the time of the referendum it was 25% too high
The advantage of having a perpetually undervalued currency, as opposed to a perpetually overvalued currency is obvious from the state of the German economy. By using the euro it's reckoned their currency is 30% undervalued
I bet you're still in a state of shock when you realise you've inadvertently become a Telegraph reader ;-)
Can someone please explain the IMF to me using small words?It was mentioned in the tour we did today. Apparently the IMF bailed out Hungry.
I'm more in shock that the Torygraph is in tune with my more left wing analysis of the economy!
Patti (baconater) wrote: "Can someone please explain the IMF to me using small words?It was mentioned in the tour we did today. Apparently the IMF bailed out Hungry."
I did a google search, "imf for dummies," to find a link to post in this reply. None of the links were able to explain the IMF in terms I could understand. That may be because I'm a dolt, though, so try the search yourself and maybe some of the results will make sense to you.
Will wrote: "I'm more in shock that the Torygraph is in tune with my more left wing analysis of the economy!"The Telegraph isn't actually a right wing newspaper.
It holds to some values that the Conservative party used to hold to, such as not having too much government and too much tax, but from the economic analysis point of view it has pundits with a fair range of views.
I think it tries to analyse the economy and get the answer right, rather than force the analysis to fit into a particular ideological position.
I know it stands for International Monetary Fund - end of!!!
I tried googling it, David.We need our economist Will Jones to explain it.
In principle, the IMF exists to help countries that get into serious financial trouble navigate their way out of the problem.To do that, they provide both hard cash in the form of loans to Governments to be repaid by the creditor country to the IMF ( most larger countries, at least all the G20 group contribute funds to the IMF and agree to provide additional funds if required ) and expert advice. They also provide independant economic outlooks on both the global economy and on individual country's economic performance.
However: their history of accuracy in predictions is very poor indeed, even over a short term. The IMF provided Osborne with data that led him to state that in the event of a Brexit vote, an emergency 'Austerity Plus) budget would be needed instantly. This was clearly wrong. They hve also recently had to admit that the forecast for the Uk of recession by September was wildly inaccurate and in fact the country is experiencing the highest growth in the G7.
They also provide almost exclusively what is called Neo-Liberal advice - selling off as many state industries as possible at bargain basement prices, for example, rather than advocating keynsian stimulus and government led investment to rebuild economies through growth and reducing government expenditure, especially on social welfare ( see Greece, Spain, etc etc etc). They did recently admit that this approach may be flawed.
The current Chair, Christine Legarde, (who receives her salary in dollars and free of tax,) is presently under judicial enquiry in France on charges of Fraud, Deception and Bribery in relation to activities before she was offered the job..
Smaller words, Will?Isn't it just a huge bank that's in it to turn a profit? There's nothing philanthropic about it, is there?
Patti (baconater) wrote: "Smaller words, Will?Isn't it just a huge bank that's in it to turn a profit? There's nothing philanthropic about it, is there?"
That and the sex parties.
It's seen as part of the global financial network and supported largely because it wouldn't help anyone if a whole country did declare itself bankrupt. profit comes from the interest it charges to the countries who borrow money from it.
Smaller words...they are the international enforcers for the Central Bankers of the G20 countries who chose a new boss in the full knowledge she was accused of being bent in her homeland.
How did it come about initially?
Britain had an IMF bail out back in the 1970s. I don't think we ever recovered from that.
Strangely enough I remember relatively recently reading Denis Healey saying that they'd been panicked into it and on mature reflection he shouldn't have done itI haven't a clue whether he was right or not
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so people disliked him less than they disliked the other candidates :-)