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[R.M.F.]

Watched Andrew Marr give David Cameron the usual soft soap approach, and he did nothing to counter Cameron's claims that the state pension would be at risk if Britain leaves.

[Geoff (G. Robbins) (merda constat variat altitudo)]

This is the ITV debate between the Bremainers and the Brexiters broadcast the other evening.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ff9c...

[David]

T4bsF (Call me Flo) wrote: "I have long worried about this.... the barricades are being erected as I type!"

Message from the Xeno Council: "Ignore the scare-mongering of the Centaxicate. Xenians are not a threat to your planet. Our settlements are little more than routine particle fluxes that will coexist benignly in your dimension. What few effects you may experience will be totally beneficial, including fostering cooperation within your species and movement toward the long-sought hive mind. That we were unable to achieve this on Centax IX is more a reflection of the inadequacy of the sentient bacteria species there than any failing on our part.

One more thing. Brexit is bad. Cameron, good. He acts only the best interest of your species. And we are not influencing him. Honest. Trust us."

[Lynne (Tigger's Mum)]

Have you got Schäuble in your book.Today he says Europe needs immigration to avoid degeneration and inbreeding, Huh!

[T4bsF (Call me Flo)]

David wrote: "T4bsF (Call me Flo) wrote: "I have long worried about this.... the barricades are being erected as I type!"

Message from the Xeno Council: "Ignore the scare-mongering of the Centaxicate. Xenians a..."

How sure are you about all this, as very odd things have been happening in my part of the globalsphere! Someone (or thing) has obviously fried your brain already.... Cameron and good are not allowed in the same sentence. BREXIT and good on the other hand.......

[David]

T4bsF (Call me Flo) wrote: "David wrote: "T4bsF (Call me Flo) wrote: "I have long worried about this.... the barricades are being erected as I type!"

Message from the Xeno Council: "Ignore the scare-mongering of the Centaxic..."

The Xeno Council denies this accusation that it scrambled Cameron's brain. They say they can only work with what they are given.

[Geoff (G. Robbins) (merda constat variat altitudo)]

It's laughable. Gordon Brown is coming out to campaign for Remain. This is the man who wouldn't even be seen signing the Lisbon Treaty, but deliberately signed it in private the following Sunday.

What's next, Fred West campaigning for garden safety?

[Jim]

Geoff (G. Robbins) (The noisy passionfruit) wrote: "It's laughable. Gordon Brown is coming out to campaign for Remain. This is the man who wouldn't even be seen signing the Lisbon Treaty, but deliberately signed it in private the following Sunday.

..."

I must admit that the hypocrisy of this just blew me away at the time

[Geoff (G. Robbins) (merda constat variat altitudo)]

Jim wrote: "
I must admit that the hypocrisy of this just blew me away at the time "

And now he's compounding it. The man has no shame.

[R.M.F.]

Geoff (G. Robbins) (The noisy passionfruit) wrote: "Jim wrote: "
I must admit that the hypocrisy of this just blew me away at the time "

And now he's compounding it. The man has no shame."

By all accounts, he's a sociopath, so it's no surprise he's spouting this gibberish.

[Will]

Brown is still regarded by the establishment as the man whose intervention swung the Scottish referendum. They must be hoping he can do the same again.

[Jane]

I have a question. With regard to xenophobia....

Do we think the USA shootings have just played massively into the hands of the Trump monster?

It's a frightening thought that gun killings in the US don't seem to result in people changing the gun laws. Just people getting bigger guns.

[Marc]

it will play into his hands, but hoe he performs at the Party Convention and in the campaign itself will be an important factor as he has to convince many Republicans let alone swing voters. Same thing for Hilary

[T4bsF (Call me Flo)]

Is it JUST coincidence that his name rhymes with "chump" ?

[Marc]

or Mugwump

[T4bsF (Call me Flo)]

Or Thump

[Marc]

and yet sadly not 'blimp'

[T4bsF (Call me Flo)]

....but yes to Gump (as in forest)

[Marc]

ecky thump that bloke Trump exploited the slaying of 50 people for his own political ends

[Will]

And today in the referendum:

Stephen Kinnock on TV:
'Bexit will cost jobs.'
'After Brexit we will still need immigration to continue to fill the jobs available.'

'The EU will not deal with us well if we leave to discourage the other countries from wanting to quit as well.'

Tusk: 'Bexit will inevitably lead to the collapse of Western Civilisation.'

Good, positive, campaign arguments there.

[Marc]

Will wrote: "And today in the referendum:

Stephen Kinnock on TV:
'Bexit will cost jobs.'
'After Brexit we will still need immigration to continue to fill the jobs available.'.."

Not necessarily a contradiction. Brexit will cost jobs and there will still be jobs that the British refuse to do which will have to be filled by migrant workers. These are not necessarily the same jobs as you have conflated them

But yeah, the level of argument (on both sides) is pathetic

[Geoff (G. Robbins) (merda constat variat altitudo)]

I cannot honestly believe that Brexit will cost jobs. The number of jobs created to fill the gaps that were devolved to the EU will be considerable. Add into that all the negotiators that will need to be hired. Also, all the people that will need to be employed to implement the changes that will need to be made to allow Britain to become independent and you have a large growth in employment, I would suggest.

[Marc]

we'll see, but I can only see the City being hammered as the EU ups sticks and moves its centre of financial operations to Frankfurt. On the one hand one titters at the misery facing some of our money men, on the other, without it our economy faces the loss (reduction) in a major source of income.

But if you want to make a few quid, invest in some gear to knock our car number plates to replace all the ones that are EU branded

[R.M.F.]

Will wrote: "And today in the referendum:

Stephen Kinnock on TV:
'Bexit will cost jobs.'
'After Brexit we will still need immigration to continue to fill the jobs available.'

'The EU will not deal with us wel..."

Kinnock's been living off the EU gravy train for years.

[Will]

That's Mummy AND daddy, of course.

This is junior, no doubt hoping to follow in their footsteps.

Meantime, Project Fear ramps up some notches

[Geoff (G. Robbins) (merda constat variat altitudo)]

Will wrote: "This is junior, no doubt hoping to follow in their footsteps."

No Will, junior has been scoffing from that particular trough for years.

It always puzzles me that socialist organisations decry family dynasties then create them themselves.

[Jim]

Will wrote: "That's Mummy AND daddy, of course.

This is junior, no doubt hoping to follow in their footsteps.

Meantime, Project Fear ramps up some notches"

Apparently they've already got 50 tory MPs to sign a something to say that they wont vote for it so he'll only get it through parliament with Labour and SNP votes

[R.M.F.]

Jim wrote: "Will wrote: "That's Mummy AND daddy, of course.

This is junior, no doubt hoping to follow in their footsteps.

Meantime, Project Fear ramps up some notches"

Apparently they've already got 50 tory..."

Good opportunity for the SNP to squeeze some more concessions from Cameron for the Scottish Parliament. People down south might not like it, but that's politics.

[Jim]

It would be but frankly I don't think they'll get the chance. If there is a leave vote then the only concession they'll probably be after is another referendum for Scotland (unless Scotland votes leave)
And there again, with a leave vote, I have a suspicion that Osborne might not be doing another budget anyway

[R.M.F.]

Jim wrote: "It would be but frankly I don't think they'll get the chance. If there is a leave vote then the only concession they'll probably be after is another referendum for Scotland (unless Scotland votes l..."

I'll be glad when this is all over. We're heading into Monty Python territory.

[Jane]

Heading? RMF...

i reckon we've passed Monty and the boys and headed down the freaking rabbit hole. I keep expecting to see a dormouse on question time....

[Marc]

the clash of the naval flotillas on the Thames yesterday...

[R.M.F.]

Marc wrote: "the clash of the naval flotillas on the Thames yesterday..."

That was f*****g surreal! :)

I still can't believe that happened.

Satire is dead.

[R.M.F.]

Jane wrote: "Heading? RMF...

i reckon we've passed Monty and the boys and headed down the freaking rabbit hole. I keep expecting to see a dormouse on question time...."

You and me both.

[Geoff (G. Robbins) (merda constat variat altitudo)]

Well, I was all ready to vote Brexit, then I found out that Jeremy Clarkson has joined Cameron in supporting Remain.

This changes everything!!!!!!!

[Will]

Deutsche Bank (GDR Central bank) are now saying growth will be better if we choose Brexit. Do NOT expect to see this reported widely, though.

[Jim]

well I stuck it on facebook out of pure mischief :-)

[Patti (baconater)]

The MP being killed is beyond horrific.

[Jim]

It is, but it's not unheard of for people to assault MPs
Nigel Jones, a libdem MP was attacked by a man with a samurai sword

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_...

In 2010 somebody tried to murder Stephen Timms
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen...

[Geoff (G. Robbins) (merda constat variat altitudo)]

I have the deepest sympathy for the family of Jo Cox MP. No elected politician should die or be injured for simply being elected to our Parliament. They will now have to live with a hole in their lives. Tragic for any family.

A number of points come to mind.

1. Bearing in mind how his neighbours have described him, what caused him to commit this act. Was this another form of radicalisation?

2. Why do the voters of Jo Cox's constituency not have the choice of who they elect to replace her? Do these people not deserve the best candidates possible to choose from to represent them?

[Jim]

Not knocking Jo Cox but she got the seat on an all women short list. Given it was a safe seat, it could be argued that she was an MP picked by a selection committee not by the votes.
On the other hand she did increase her majority, in the face of UKIP opposition which is something a lot of other candidates didn't manage. In her constituency UKIP seems to have moved into third place by taking most of their votes from the Libdems

[Jim]

As for radicalisation, I'd say it was more a sign that our mental health services are rubbish.
Like many others he sought help the day before he finally flipped, and was told to go away and make an appointment.
The number of times you see that sort of thing come up where somebody has finally stabbed a stranger in the street or murdered a family member is frankly shocking.
Given the proportion of homeless people who have mental health issues, I wonder if it isn't time that we looked at opening mental health 'refuges' or something. Somewhere where a person could go and just feel safe and get looked after while they get checked out and treatment is started

[Lynne (Tigger's Mum)]

I've always believed that anyone who murders in cold blood has mental health issues, but not that they shouldn't be punished for their actions.

[Michael]

The Jo Cox murder is what happens when you let fascist rhetoric become socially acceptable.

[Marc]

Jim wrote: "Not knocking Jo Cox but she got the seat on an all women short list. Given it was a safe seat, it could be argued that she was an MP picked by a selection committee not by the votes.
On the other h..."

Cons & Libs not standing in the byelection, but you can be damn sure UKIP will, if not Farage himself

[R.M.F.]

Michael Cargill wrote: "The Jo Cox murder is what happens when you let fascist rhetoric become socially acceptable."

Fascist rhetoric??

[R.M.F.]

Marc wrote: "Jim wrote: "Not knocking Jo Cox but she got the seat on an all women short list. Given it was a safe seat, it could be argued that she was an MP picked by a selection committee not by the votes.
On..."

This by election will be a coronation for whoever Labour select. Farage ain't daft - he'll be miles away.

[Marc]

we'll see, his ambition knows no bounds

[Geoff (G. Robbins) (merda constat variat altitudo)]

R.M.F wrote: "This by election will be a coronation for whoever Labour select. Farage ain't daft - he'll be miles away. "

He has his own battle at Thannet, if the accusations of rigging are substantiated.

[Jane]

I've been quietly watching and listening to the furore surrounding the death of somebody whose only crime would seem to have been being an honest politician. Some of the stuff being bandied about (not here so drop your hackles you lot) is almost as sickening as the deed itself.

Radicalisation? Mental health issues? Brexit? Who knows. Honestly. Nobody. And nothing anyone can say now goes any way towards explaining the thought processes that end up with somebody killing a stranger.

I await the witch hunt for the 'people who should have prevented this crime' with trepidation.