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The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy.
Absolutely.The worrying thing is that the only time I've ever come across a bureaucracy significantly cut back was with the fall of the Roman Empire in the west
Well, did Obama's lecture make anyone change their minds, I'll admit it put my back up but if he's talking about a trade deal still being negotiated either with the EU or the UK surely there is no change to the situation at present. If it's a future deal and we will be at the ' back of the queue' we won't be worse off than we are now. It sounded like an English speaking speech writer had input as Americans get in line, we queue. I smell help from Downing Street,
Radio four pretty well said the same thing Lynne
It's not hindsight but I've never been convinced by him on anything. I do think Cameron's judgment is bad on the subject. Changing the subject, Will, on the Pointless quiz show there were 2 ladies from Haverfordwest, I recognised one and paid attention. They had to name a cabinet minister since 2015 and one named Priti Patel which was a very good answer. However her partner named Haig which was totally wrong. However one of the pointless politicians which would have won them through to the next round was Crabb. How ironic he was their own MP as well. They did appreciate the irony.
The thing is that we won't be at the back of the queue when signing trade deals. The US is desperate to sign the TTIP treaty, something I'm opposed to by the way, because the US corporations want the control of our markets. This is especially true of the MPAA and the RIAA who produce English language media. And they have huge influence on the US government.
I heard Obama's speech. and it really convinced me to vote leave. Basically he said that the 'Special Relationship' only existed as long as we toed their line, and did what they wanted. How special is that?And from all that I've heard about TTIP, which even the EU is beginning to realise has a lot of issues with it, I'd vote for anything that meant we didn't sign it!
The US gov. cannot stop one of their own companies, based in the US, from hosting the IS web stuff. They will not be able to do anything about the existing level of trade.
Unusually, Nigel Farage made a telling comment on Any Questions this week. He said that Obama said that if we left the EU we would be at the back of the queue to get a trade agreement.His comment was that no American would say that, they would say "the back of the line" and he's absolutely right. That speech was written in Downing Street just for propaganda purposes.
Did they really think that no one would notice? The more I listen to this garbage the more determined I am to vote Out.
This famous trade agreement is years down the line too. So we'd be in the same situation as we are now.
Exactly Lynn. This trade agreement is 10 years in the negotiating now, and it seems to be unravelling daily! The prospect of completion is, thankfully, a long way away.
Or maybe the speech was written for the audience.The Yanks aren't usually in the business of doing favours like that, they're very much in the business of doing what benefits them the most.
Michael Cargill wrote: "Or maybe the speech was written for the audience.The Yanks aren't usually in the business of doing favours like that, they're very much in the business of doing what benefits them the most."
You're probably right, Michael, the speech was probably written for the audience, however, it was also using British vernacular. Americans rarely consider that, they tend to think you should understand American English.
Mind you, we tend to do that too.
The interviews I saw today suggest he's back-pedalling somewhat. Too late, he said it and it can't be unheard.
course he can be unheard, as is consistent with the full 8 years of his lame duck tenure as President. What i don't understand about the Americans is they seem to vote for a president simply as a figurehead and rallying call to inspire them to pull themselves up by their bootstraps to fulfil their personal version of the American Dream (which probably doesn't exist if it ever did). I say this because Trump seems to be doing exactly the same, he has no solid policies but people can rally to him as a figurehead. Obama's was "yes we can", of which he himself contributed not one whit of anything tangible.
I'm sure you're right there Marc I think a lot of black people voted for him thinking he would change their lives just by being a black president.
Cameron: I'm very keen to conclude TTIP before the end of Barak's Presidency....Whilst thousands demonstrate against it in Europe, and the negotiations are to be sealed for 30 years, and even the national governments are not allowed to know what''s in the treaty until it is signed!
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One of the things in the leak of TTIP was that if governments change things for health reasons, for example the blanking of cigarette packaging, the And that's just for openers.
I think the referendum result will be pretty close. The remain argument is "the EU is crap, but change is risky," and I can't see the remain side muster the troops with that ringing endorsement. Leave, however, will probably have their voters queuing outside the polling stations at 6am.
And judging by the aftermath of the Scottish independence referendum, if Remain don't get at least 60% of the vote, and it turns out to be close, say, 52/48, this issue will rumble on for years.
Even with an OUT vote, the issue will rumble on for years with the 'negotiations' to leave.
Hillsborough.Only took 30 years and a Jimmy McGovern drama for the truth to eventually come out.
Rupert Murdoch is doing his best to get in the way though.
Times had to change it's front page, didn't it?
Yeah, they made a 'mistake' and said mistake had nothing to do with the visitation of Mr Murdoch himself that day.*cough* bullshit *cough*
Will wrote: "Even with an OUT vote, the issue will rumble on for years with the 'negotiations' to leave."Given how incompetent this government is at the best of times, I'd have to agree.
So, any thoughts on the elections in the UK yesterday?
The shock is that, apart from conservative gains in Scotland, nothing as changed.Interestingly, Labour are static even with a new leader. First time ever. Even Michael Foot did better.
As few as possible!No surprises here other than the increase in the Tory vote. I don't think many would have expected that.
Considering the vitriol poured over Corbyn by the UK media, I think static is a good result!And, ladies and gentlemen, for those who support the outsourcing of public services to private industry, I present the triumph that was Barnet ...
From the BBC the only outsourcing was the printing. Round here local authorities have never done printingI assume that there has to be something that hasn't been mentioned?
Interesting article from the Guardianhttp://www.theguardian.com/politics/2...
Written before the vote
Just pondering the results, I wonder whether we're going to start seeing Labour as the party of the South East 'metropolitan intelligentsia' They have been pushed into third place in Scotland because working class voters prefer the SNP. In Wales I was surprised at the success of UKIP. Especially since that party has always been regarded as the dark face of English nationalism.
Isn't UKIP the preferred party of slack-jawed yokels?
UKIP got 0 votes in Scotland. Zero. Along with RISE, Solidarity and Women's Equality parties. Which presumably means that these numpties didn't even manage to vote for themselves??
I think you are barking up the wrong tree there, Jim. In the council elections, the vote hasn't really changed from a high water labour vote 4 years ago, despite the best efforts of the media.In Wales, UKIP scored 18%. They haven't any directly elected members, just a share on the regional PR vote that has got their Leader and others into the Assembly. I was pleased to see Leanne Wood, the Plaid Leader, directly elected in Rhondda. Plaid are actually closer to the Labour Party in policies than Welsh labour are, these days.
Our local radio station made me laugh this morningwhat I heard was
"Coming in the news headlines - Life gets tougher for the Labour leader and thousands are expected to line the streets in celebration"
It wasn't until the actual news came on that it was clear that I had heard headlines from two separate news items.
Finally, I see that some Police forces have commenced criminal enquiries into the hidden election expenses of some Conservative MP s. Only the Independent seems to have carried the story though
So how are we feeling about the new mayor of London?Personally, I think it's rather cool that a real person has won, not the other one.
How many of us in the group actually live in London?
London gets a lot of stick from the rest of the country and it's true we're pretty much a city-state with the property prices here.But we are a wealthy city who still possesses a social conscience unlike many parts of Middle England. We are also an incredibly diverse city that doesn't fear otherness. UKIP have no traction here. The pro-cannabis mayoral candidate polled more than the Far Right BNP (and incidently the One-Love candidate who i presume was pro-Ecstasy, so hash beat E).
So that's Marc's pharmacological theory.
Oh and which part of the country is Middle England, please?
market towns, new towns & county towns
It's between Top England and Bottom England.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_...It's not a region, it's a term that refers to middle class types.
Patti (baconater) wrote: "Oh and which part of the country is Middle England, please?"That's the little villages where the hobbits live, isn't it?
Ah. The belly button. I get it.
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But if they wait a little while all the quangos and local authorities and lobby groups and consultancies have got their plans in as to how it should be used.
And of course a fair bit of it then goes in administration