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Union organisers and wine sellers, Patti.
Farmers, taxi drivers, trains in Paris and civil servant this week. It's awful. It's like the old joke when some said ' The daffodils are out' and the union man said, 'we'll come out in sympathy' or something like that :o)
The nation that gave the world British Leyland strikes, is in no position to lecture the French on industrial action :)
They are a bit wilder than the Brits. They really do spectacular protests.
The taxi drivers sure burnt a mean tyre.Tyre. I spelled it tyre.
You lot are a bad influence.
Tire, dammit!
Patti (baconater) wrote: "Tire, dammit!"It must be awful being that tired.
You have no idea, Pickle.
last year they completely trashed all the overhead motorway bridges with special cameras put in to charge vehicles in rural areas by the mile to transport goods. They were described to the population as safety devices but Brittany workers knocked them down and burned the lot and they haven't dare replace them.
I'd have to applaud that one, I think.
For anyone still daft enough to think rail privatisation was a good idea...http://www.theguardian.com/travel/201...
Those overhead things were really big brother. They are springing up all over but I can't imagine our highways agency not replacing them. They were designed to charge commercial vehicles a rate per km to deliver so they said but they are massive contraptions. Will, that reminds me of the time I flew back Nice to Bristol for £10. It took me 2 hours, I got into Bristol and had to pay £76 for the worse journey if my life to arrive in Milford at midnight. The only person to advise me properly was a chap selling sandwiches at Cardiff.
Will wrote: "For anyone still daft enough to think rail privatisation was a good idea...http://www.theguardian.com/travel/201..."
The trouble is British Rail was worse, much worse.
Will wrote: "No, Geoff, it wasn't..."I was a regular short and long distance BR user and have been a regular user of the privatised rail system. The older system was less safe, uncomfortable and unreliable. The only benefit was cost.
Pre Beeching it was better, post Beeching definitely not.
beeching had a great deal to answer for. A classic example of knowing the cost of everything, and the value of nothing.And now most of our railway system remains State owned, of course. Just owned by Foreign States. I suppose HS 2, if it ever gets built, will be renamed Beijing Rail.
Yeah, I've always wondered why the Tories were aversive to the British government owning our infrastructure/utilities, but had no qualms about letting foreign governments own the same stuff. Anybody would think that Osborne's chums, and I do mean chums, were making money out of say, Royal mail being flogged on the cheap.
But that would be far to cynical of me ;)
Will wrote: "For anyone still daft enough to think rail privatisation was a good idea...http://www.theguardian.com/travel/201..."
Driving to Manchester and flying to New York has been cheaper that travelling to London by train from here since Freddie Laker and Sky Train so that makes in 1971.
Jim wrote: "Will wrote: "For anyone still daft enough to think rail privatisation was a good idea...http://www.theguardian.com/travel/201...-..."
Who?
Patti (baconater) wrote: "Jim wrote: "Will wrote: "For anyone still daft enough to think rail privatisation was a good idea...http://www.theguardian.com/travel/201......"
Are you referring to Freddie Laker when you say who?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freddie...
Yeah him.I read the wiki. Dave sez he made cricket a spectator sport?
What does he have to do with fucking up the railways?And you lot should be grateful you don't have to ride the rails in India. Although I'd love to see you scramble up onto the roof of a train grasping a goat, three wilting cardboard boxes and your elderly mother.
As my mother has been safely dead for over 40 years, I'd find it damn near impossible
Patti (baconater) wrote: "And you lot should be grateful you don't have to ride the rails in India. Although I'd love to see you scramble up onto the roof of a train grasping a goat, three wilting cardboard boxes and your elderly mother...."Round here we're not sexist!
We empower our elderly mothers and let them cling on for themselves!
I went on a plane in Nepal and sat next to a crate of live chickens.
Somewhere there are Nepalese chickens talking about sitting next to a nice English speaking lady :-)
Jim wrote: "Somewhere there are Nepalese chickens talking about sitting next to a nice English speaking lady :-)"The welsh accent screwed with their brains, though. ()
They're chickens, how much would it take?
I'm English! I'm from Robin Hood land. I've just lived in Wales a long while.
Some EU scare stories in the papers these past days, Leaving the EU will damage Britain's football clubs, says West Ham Chairwoman Karen Brady. Leaving the EU will dmage Britain's environment, says the environment minister, and so on.
Expect the death of all English first born, and fire and brimstone heading England's way, headlines, in the next few months.
We're used to it up in Scotland, with the independence referendum not long ago, but I feel sorry for the rest of the UK having to go through this bull for months on end.
Newspapers are saying that the department for the Northern Powerhouse is to close down in Sheffield and move the jobs to London! What the f**k! :)People ask me why I love this nation, but this is why - comedy gold every day of the week. :)
The Northern Powerhouse was only ever an excuse to get someone else to take the blame for osborne's assault on the poor. Probably the civil servants are making their escape in good time.
What the northern powerhouse?
Patti (baconater) wrote: "What the northern powerhouse?"Jim's barn
Jim's moving to London???
He does seem to be a bit peripatetic already.
Patti (baconater) wrote: "What the northern powerhouse?"Basically the two major political parties are now dominated by privately educated rich kids from the south east who haven't got a clue about the North of England and they're desperately trying to reel in northern working class votes. Mainly because they're terrified that we'll all end up voting UKIP
Will wrote: "He does seem to be a bit peripatetic already."Itinerant is good, indigent less so
Check out this pair of wankers wasting everyone's time:Heterosexual couple lose civil partnership court challenge
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35436845
It should result in some jobs being made vacant at BAE, but I doubt it will.
Michael Cargill wrote: "Check out this pair of wankers wasting everyone's time:Heterosexual couple lose civil partnership court challenge
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35436845"
Don't knock it, civil partnership is a good tax dodge, because you can get the rights of passing stuff tax free without having to have sex with the person.
They're tying themselves in knots about it because nowhere are civil partners expected to have sex, but close family cannot be civil partners even if of the same gender
You could do all that with a marriage as well.
With marriage, technically at least there is a legal assumption that sex will be involved. If it isn't the marriage can be declared invalid
the marriage service says it's for procreation. So I can understand some clergymen's refusal to marry same sex couples on those reasons but they marry elderly couples. In France there is a legal arrangement called PACS,https://www.frenchentree.com/french-p...
Interestingly the church has never claimed a monopoly on marriage, in the writings of Paul he accepts Roman civil marriage and expects Christians married to Pagans to be faithful to the marriage. Effectively and in simple terms all the church does is offer to marry people 'in the sight of God' and with any oaths/promises made, made to God, (not just to the other person). The easy way to describe the difference is to say that the state offers marriage, the church 'holy matrimony'
The state is perfectly entitled to allow any sort of legal contract between people, and the state can decide how and when these arrangements can be broken. But the attitude of the church is that the state has no authority over what for ease I'll call 'holy matrimony.'
The obvious solution would be for the Church of England to revert to doing what the other 'non-established' churches do. People have a civil wedding, and then if they want, a church wedding which would have no legal status.
That way the church of England would no longer have a duty to marry people and could revert to marrying people who were part of the church
Lynne (Tigger's Mum) wrote: "the marriage service says it's for procreation. So I can understand some clergymen's refusal to marry same sex couples on those reasons but they marry elderly couples. In France there is a legal ar..."I thought that but I checked the canons of the church of England
B 30 Of Holy Matrimony
1. The Church of England affirms, according to our Lord's teaching, that marriage is in its nature a union permanent and lifelong, for better for worse, till death them do part, of one man with one woman, to the exclusion of all others on either side, for the procreation and nurture of children, for the hallowing and right direction of the natural instincts and affections, and for the mutual society, help and comfort which the one ought to have of the other, both in prosperity and adversity.
https://www.churchofengland.org/about...
So it's not just about children, it's about sex and mutual support
Put that way then the oldies are OK. What you said about the state and church, that is the system in France, you have to be married by a state official, usually the Máire. Then they go to church for a blessing if they are religious. Nowadays they mostly just dress up for the civil ceremony.
Well in this country an Anglican vicar is a state official and registrar. Some of the other denominations are, so from memory a lot of Methodist ministers can marry people in a ceremony the state recognises but each is licensed in only one particular Methodist churchAll CofE churches are assumed to be register offices in which any CofE clergyman can marry them using a ceremony the state recognises.
That's right Jim, You used to have to book the registrar to be present in some Baptist chapels as the minister wasn't licensed but now you can be married in so many places I don't know how the current situation works. I saw an advert recently for a local hotel announcing they were a wedding venue. So I supposed they had some sort of license.
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