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Patti (baconater)
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Jun 09, 2017 05:55AM
Today is the first I've ever heard of them.
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For years, England used to moan about Scotland pulling the strings, so now you have some nutters from Northern Ireland pulling the strings. Ha ha ha ha ha :)There'll always be an England,
While there's a country lane.
Wherever there's a cottage small
Beside a field of grain
There'll always be an England
While there's a busy street.
Wherever there's a turning wheel
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you're just jealous that the Northern Irish have more influence than your mob. Indy Ref 2 looks dead in the water to me
so is jimmy krankie (Nicola Sturgeon) she has to resign now.
surely she's Jeanette Krankie rather than Jimmy?
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no she played a schoolboy, much ridiculed on facebook the amazing resemblance between the two.
Marc wrote: "you're just jealous that the Northern Irish have more influence than your mob. Indy Ref 2 looks dead in the water to me"It's game on. The SNP won the Scottish parliament elections on a indy ref 2 ticket.
Anyway, I hope the good people of England enjoy the flat earthers having the whip hand over them. Could be interesting, given that English taxpayers money will be needed as a sweetener for the pork barrel politics of Northern Ireland.
R.M.F wrote: "Anyway, I hope the good people of England enjoy the flat earthers having the whip hand over them. Could be interesting, given that English taxpayers money will be needed as a sweetener for the pork..."nothing new there then. That was true in the 1960s and has got more and more
Taking the UK as 100, Scotland gets 116 and Northern Ireland as 121
We solved the terrorism problem by our usual method of stuffing their mouths with gold and when they'd got fat and comfortable pointed out we knew where their children went to school. But more importantly than that, so did the wild roaring boys still out on the streets with guns, and the wild roaring boys hated the sell-outs more than they hated us.
So just hand them over to us and we'll let bygones be bygones.
Jim have you read my not yet published novel? All the above is in it! :-)
I wish I shared your confidence, Jim, but with crucial Brexit negotiations, a lame duck Prime Minister, and a divided nation, It would be foolish to predict anything.
R.M.F wrote: "Marc wrote: "you're just jealous that the Northern Irish have more influence than your mob. Indy Ref 2 looks dead in the water to me"It's game on. The SNP won the Scottish parliament elections on..."
yeah that's the party line & it's no more convincing coming out of Sturgeon';s mouth than yours
Loretta wrote: "I was going to vote for Larry until I realised his sole policy was the ready availability of catnip and a law demanding it be grown in every garden and window box. Probably not the best way to cond..."I'm with you on that one Loretta. Larry definitely gets my vote!
T4bsF (Call me Flo) wrote: "Loretta wrote: "I was going to vote for Larry until I realised his sole policy was the ready availability of catnip and a law demanding it be grown in every garden and window box. Probably not the ..."Just so long as he doesn't overdo the catnip, lol.
Marc wrote: "Jim have you read my not yet published novel? All the above is in it! :-)"I always smiled when Terry Pratchett attributed the technique to the Patrician of Ankh-Morpork :-)
R.M.F wrote: "I wish I shared your confidence, Jim, but with crucial Brexit negotiations, a lame duck Prime Minister, and a divided nation, It would be foolish to predict anything."I favour a range of options. There are so many you can include it's almost amusing
The more I'm hearing of the DUP, the less impressed I am.Shame this potential coalition wasn't made public before the election. Perhaps a Labour majority would have happened.
*smug Canadian*
Wasn't made public because Theresa 'Mr Burns' May thought she would have a huge majority and wouldn't need to make any deals with anyone. *upset Scot*
Remember that the two main parties in the UK, Labour and the Conservatives, do not campaign in Northern Ireland. They've had an agreement with local parties for years. The Ulster Unionists of all stripes support the Conservative party in the House of commons (except potentially on Irish issues) and the SDLP always supported Labour in the house of commons (with the possible exception of Irish issues)
This has been the case since before the war
The history of all this is mind blowing; you could base a book on it. A film, even.A Marxist/Communist-ite, totally unelectable to the Great British Public has been nominated for leadership of the Parliamentary Labour Party.
To ensure he won, in order to keep out Labour for at least 20 years (Corbyn looks like he'll go on 'till he's 90 at least) Tory members and supporters bought into membership of the said party, £5 was all it costs in a desperate bid to attract new blood.
They voted for Corbyn.
The Labour Party tried every trick in the book to get him to quit. He resisted with ease, assured of his destiny. It was his detractors who left instead; his Shadow Cabinet decimated, MPs not applying for re-election, and some just quitting.
So he just filled the seats with his cohorts. Short on talent, big on rhetoric. No different to the Torys, really.
Come the Election. May, supremely confident of a landslide, called it. Who could blame her? Everybody advised her the same.
And the immigrants, terrorists, IRA sympathisers, terrorist sympathisers, druggies, Uni chattering classes, luvvies, writers, musicians and pop stars (not the older ones) damn near half the country voted for him!
Brilliant. Couldn't make it up . . .
what Corbyn has actually done has been to restart two party politics.The two main parties got about 87-88% of the vote. Ironically May also increased the conservative vote as well, but campaigned impressively badly
Marc wrote: "R.M.F wrote: "Marc wrote: "you're just jealous that the Northern Irish have more influence than your mob. Indy Ref 2 looks dead in the water to me"It's game on. The SNP won the Scottish parliamen..."
Party line? We won last year's Scottish Parliament elections. We won the council elections, and on Thursday, we got more MPs then all the other parties in Scotland combined.
That's a victory in my book.
Northern Ireland also hardened into 2=party politics, DUP & Sinn Fein. The SDLP lost their remaining seats as did the UUP.I think you'll find Corbyn is a straight down the line Bennite rather than a Marxist and certainly not a Trotskyite. His chancellor John McDonald is a self-admitted Marxist. I think he's rather taken with the Greek Syzria party as a modern day party informed by Marxism
Corbyn's success is down in part to the fact that he believes in something. We've had 20 years of Blairism, both red and blue, and Corbyn has provided a welcome ideological shirt. I don't like Corbyn's beliefs - it's 1970s solutions to 1970s problems, and the world has moved on, but at least he offers an alternative to red Blairism or blue Blairism.
Who knows, the Tory response might actually be to have a real Tory as their leader.
R.M.F wrote: "Marc wrote: "R.M.F wrote: "Marc wrote: "you're just jealous that the Northern Irish have more influence than your mob. Indy Ref 2 looks dead in the water to me"It's game on. The SNP won the Scott...
That's a victory in my book"
the word you're grasping for is "Pyrrhic". SNP lost 37.5% of their seats. In no manner can you spin that as a victory
I will spin it :PIt's our second best ever showing in a Scottish general election. All the Tories did was hoover up the Orange Order, and the anti-independence vote up here.
It's their high water mark.
Corbyn's success is due in no small part to his personal qualities. He is delightfully unaffected. He has shown great grit in the face of unspeakable vilification. He has no talent at all for administration, but his detractors haven't realised that administrative skills and leadership are orthogonal concepts. A good many Tories are Remainers. As the failed Tory policies and Brexit bite further into living standards, their fortunes will look more and more bleak, and they will try to hang together, but the by election attrition will do for them even if they don't choke on the DUP's ever-escalating demands. If Jeremy Corbyn is 'the very naughty boy', shrubberies anybody?
1st by-election will be in Thanet when the sitting MP is done for fraud at the last election. Whether Labour can win a seat in Essex however is a whole different thing
Marc wrote: "It was a vote against IndyRef 2"actually you could find more people pushing for Scottish independence.
After all Theresa May won a Parliamentary Majority in England, and even in England and Wales :-)
Thanet is in Kent rather than Essex. Canterbury just went Labour for the first time ever. When I was a boy, Dover (just down the road) had a Labour MP, and there were working coal mines nearby; I played football and later rugby with winding gear as a backdrop. I'm not sure which parliamentary constituency they were in, but I think with the momentum (small 'M'!) behind them Labour must have a reasonable shot.
Kent/Essex, ah yes, an easy elision to make :-)
David wrote: "Corbyn's success is due in no small part to his personal qualities. He is delightfully unaffected. He has shown great grit in the face of unspeakable vilification. He has no talent at all for admin..."You're right Jim - Corbyn is very personable and the policies he was putting forward knocked spots off Theresa's - but I can't help wondering if he's bordering on the edges of cloud nine. He was offering Utopia - but would probably (if he'd actually won) only be able to deliver Grangetown** if push came to shove. Also he had a lot of the youth vote due to the Uni tuition fee promise......... and I don't think a lot of the young realised that this would only be in England. Our youngsters were talking about it here - but we have the Wales take on tuition fees here - and it doesn't look like Welsh Labour have any ideas of changing that - or they would have done it by now, as that has been devolved. There are so many ifs ands and buts, that need to be ironed out.
**a not very nice area of Cardiff.
That is a weakness of our political system. An opposition party can promise the earth in a manifesto & if they happen to get elected, then they merely say we need some time to look at what's in the kitty, then a few months later they announce the funds aren't there and not all the policies can be delivered.A party in power who win re-election don't have that option, they ought to flipping well know what's in the coffers they've been managing for the past 5 years.
The doubts around the deliverability of Corbyn's programme centre on the ease with which the funding sources targeted by his tax rises have historically avoided being tapped. Typically senior executives of large companies take senior figures in the tax collecting world out to lunch, and agreements follow that benefit the Treasury to the tune of peanuts. Would Labour be able to change this? It's certainly possible. Dame Shirley Porter, the Tesco heiress, got stitched up after her son incurred the wrath of a former business associate. He used his own money to do it, and the resources he deployed didn't break the law. The question was asked at the time, why the Civil Service doesn't take the same approach, but it didn't before, and hasn't since.
Capital would have flooded out the UK if Corbyn had won. It still will if he wins in the future. On the one hand good riddance to non-patriots I say. On the other, it would be a double whammy with what capital will leave our shores with Brexit.
Marc wrote: "Capital would have flooded out the UK if Corbyn had won. It still will if he wins in the future. On the one had food riddance to non-patriots I say. On the other, it would be a double whammy with w..."the Capital leaving our shores might actually be very patriotic. It could be American, Chinese, Japanese or Australian capital going home :-)
Capital flooding out will drive down the pound. This will:1. Help our exporters
2. Likely take the gloss off the London property market.
I doubt it will have any effect on investment in innovation, skills and infrastructure in the UK, the things needed to boost economic growth, since the capital currently swishing around London has carefully avoided being used for these purposes for decades if not centuries. The Labour Party would hope to change this, and if they get into a position to try I wish them luck ...
we are economically bankrupt, how will we invest just using our own resources?Yes Jim, quite... Multinationals have no country to declare patriotism towards
Marc wrote: we are economically bankrupt, how will we invest just using our own resourcesQuantitative Easing (aka Printing Money) ...
Marc wrote: "we are economically bankrupt, how will we invest just using our own resources?Yes Jim, quite... Multinationals have no country to declare patriotism towards"
Not true. Seeing as most of them operate out of the Cayman Islands, there's a flag for them to use :)
ironically all that will be brought back to the UK when our economy flatlines & the Tories set us up as the biggest money laundering offshore tax haven
Marc wrote: "ironically all that will be brought back to the UK when our economy flatlines & the Tories set us up as the biggest money laundering offshore tax haven"And despite that, we'll still see fit to lecture Johnny Foreigner on the evils of tax dodging and criminality.
R.M.F wrote: "Marc wrote: "ironically all that will be brought back to the UK when our economy flatlines & the Tories set us up as the biggest money laundering offshore tax haven"And despite that, we'll still ..."
We'll have competition. Herr Junker made his reputation and fortune setting up tax havens for multi nationals don't forget. Bet Amber Rudd will get along with him just fine...
If his liver holds out. :o)
Tim Farron goes, saying that being a Christian is incompatible with being a Lib Dem leader.Any views on that, anyone?
he couldn't have worked that out before taking the role?
Mind boggling. Is he saying anyone with a religious code of ethics and tenets cannot be a politician? That's how it sounds in my little head. I'd love to see all people stripped of all labels, self applied or otherwise ( colour, sexuality etc) and just act like sensible human beings. This fashion for putting oneself in exclusive boxes leaves me cold.
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