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message 5551: by Marc (new)

Marc Nash (sulci) | 4313 comments Will wrote: "I can only say Marc, that my local constituency party has been fighting hard and leafleting/door knocking a lot.

Did you ever consider volunteering to help out yourself, as an articulate and intel..."


you flatterer you!


message 5552: by David (new)

David Edwards | 417 comments Here in a seat where a donkey from another planet has a majority in excess of the votes for his rivals, there's no sign of the election at all.


message 5553: by Will (new)

Will Macmillan Jones (willmacmillanjones) | 11324 comments I have a number of concerns over May saying she is prepared to tear up the Human Rights Act. Seems to be a bit of a knee jerk response to me


message 5554: by Marc (new)

Marc Nash (sulci) | 4313 comments David wrote: "Here in a seat where a donkey from another planet has a majority in excess of the votes for his rivals, there's no sign of the election at all."

like I say, if I was living in mid-Suffolk, you can understand a token campaign mounted by Labour. But Harrow East is probably in top 3 most winnable London seats for Labour. They thought they'd win it in 2015, but didn't make it.


message 5555: by Marc (new)

Marc Nash (sulci) | 4313 comments Will wrote: "I have a number of concerns over May saying she is prepared to tear up the Human Rights Act. Seems to be a bit of a knee jerk response to me"

Even on a practical level, their manifesto commits to the ECHR for 5 more years, so presumably no work has been done on the UK Bill of Rights to replace it. You can't knock that up in 5 minutes. So if she followed through and ditched ECHR in the first term of the new Parliament, there would inevitably be a lag before its homegrown version was put in its place.


message 5556: by David (new)

David Edwards | 417 comments I think Corbyn's done OK. When I first saw him at a Labour hustings, I found that I agreed with his analysis of the UK's problems, but then when he spoke about what was to be done, I thought "This didn't work last time it was tried, why should it work now". But the actual manifesto is a good deal less loony than I had expected beforehand, and apart from the occasional numerical brain fade, he's stuck to it. And we should give him credit for holding his hand up and apologising when he screwed up. In stark contrast to Theresa May, who wants people affected to believe she's made a U-Turn on the hideously unfair Dementia Tax, whilst claiming she hasn't, so she'll be able to go ahead with it anyway whilst claiming she's not breaking her word.


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Jim | 21809 comments Marc wrote: "like I say, if I was living in mid-Suffolk, you can understand a token campaign mounted by Labour. But Harrow East is probably in top 3 most winnable London seats for Labour. They thought they'd win it in 2015, but didn't make it.
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We're in a marginal seat Labour must keep. Yet there seems to have been damn all central party presence, just the candidate doing the work.
The feeling round here is that given our Candidate was anti-Corbyn when he was an MP, the leadership would rather lose the seat than retain it


message 5558: by Jim (new)

Jim | 21809 comments I struggle with the 'hideously unfair dementia tax'

As far as I know, none of the parties are intending to have dementia listed as an illness so all your treatment is funded by the NHS. So all of them are going to basically make you fund your own care.

The obvious take on it is 'if you want to inherit your parent's house, look after them.'
We have had three parents live out their last days with us. Yes we're lucky we've got room, but on the other hand, we went for several years with no holiday other than three or four days away when one of our daughters could be about. And that wasn't every year.
I was talking to Nigerian and Indian friends and they just couldn't understand why British people didn't automatically take their parents in


message 5559: by Marc (new)

Marc Nash (sulci) | 4313 comments yes there is a credible theory that initially Corbyn knew he had no chance of winning, so would use the election to weed out vestiges of blairites who didn't retire off their own bat and just have an ideologically pure party. He's probably been surprised by the polls and that may have changed his thinking, even though we're still likely to end up with the outcome as at the start of the campaign, a 50+ Tory majority.


message 5560: by Jay-me (Janet) (new)

Jay-me (Janet)  | 3784 comments We've always been considered a marginal seat.
I was surprised when I checked the candidates that we have representatives of Green Party, Liberal Democrat and British National Party as I have seen no posters or leaflets from them. No UKIP (which is surprising given the share of the vote last time)
Support for Labour & Conservative seems to be equal going off the posters and banners around. I think there is a competition for the largest sign in someone's garden - although the Labour posters don't mention the candidate by name.


message 5561: by Marc (new)

Marc Nash (sulci) | 4313 comments Posters & signs, wow you have an engaged constituency. I've seen none of that for any party round my way


message 5562: by David (new)

David Edwards | 417 comments Dementia is recognised as an illness, and the NHS does provide treatment. But there is an artificial distinction between medical and social care. The unfairness is that the cost is born directly by the sufferer, rather than shared by those at risk. My mother actually took out an Insurance Policy against needing Social Care, but the Insurance Company welshed. We have, as you quaintly put it, taken my demented parent in, and we uprooted ourselves from where we had lived for 38 years in order to move to suitable accommodation. I can't speak for anyone else, but in my extended family that is what we do.


message 5563: by Jim (new)

Jim | 21809 comments in laws also took out a policy and the insurance company paid out honourably for about ten years for in law who had to go into a home.
But yes we didn't have to move, but yes we moved them. Because it's what family does in our family


message 5564: by Marc (new)

Marc Nash (sulci) | 4313 comments What Labour miss in why their 'For the many not the few' doesn't have sufficient traction throughout the electorate -

"People Don't Care"

http://sulcicollective.blogspot.co.uk...


message 5565: by Will (new)

Will Macmillan Jones (willmacmillanjones) | 11324 comments I've spent a few hours in the last 2 days helping out my local party in their campaign.

This has provided K and I with several hours of almost helpless laughter and a huge stored quantity of experience for my next Banned Underground satire.


message 5566: by Jim (new)

Jim | 21809 comments Will wrote: "I've spent a few hours in the last 2 days helping out my local party in their campaign.

This has provided K and I with several hours of almost helpless laughter and a huge stored quantity of exper..."


that I can well believe Will


message 5567: by R.M.F. (new)

R.M.F. Brown | 2124 comments Went out and did my civic duty...again!

Since 2010, I must have voted at least 8 or 9 times.
3 referendums, 3 general elections, 2 Scottish parliament elections, and 2 council elections, which adds up to 10 :)


message 5568: by Will (new)

Will Macmillan Jones (willmacmillanjones) | 11324 comments I recall Alan Plater in The Beiderbecke Affair once saying:

The votes are in, and it is a landslide for the 'Don't knows, Don't cares, and Don't give a bugger' s


message 5569: by Marc (new)

Marc Nash (sulci) | 4313 comments 16M registered voters in 2015 did not exercise their right to vote. More than any single party polled


message 5570: by Patti (baconater) (new)

Patti (baconater) (goldengreene) | 56525 comments I want to be doubled over in helpless laughter, Will!

And moist.


message 5571: by Will (new)

Will Macmillan Jones (willmacmillanjones) | 11324 comments Moist Van Lipwig?


message 5572: by Patti (baconater) (new)

Patti (baconater) (goldengreene) | 56525 comments Okay.....


message 5573: by Loretta (new)

Loretta (lorettalivingstone) | 419 comments Frankly, whoever gets in, now I've just had official confirmation that there is nothing nasty lurking in my eyes, I will find it easier to cope. Instead of being too worried about the outcome, I'm too busy rejoicing. This was my third exam. I went from optician, to clinic and finally hospital, and have finally been assured that what they thought might be there is not. Puts everything else into perspective - a least for a few hours.


message 5574: by Patti (baconater) (new)

Patti (baconater) (goldengreene) | 56525 comments Yay, Loretta!

That puts things into perspective, Fersure!


message 5575: by Loretta (new)

Loretta (lorettalivingstone) | 419 comments Patti (baconater) wrote: "Yay, Loretta!

That puts things into perspective, Fersure!"


Yup, I'll sleep better tonight. Yeehaw!


message 5576: by T4bsF (Call me Flo) (new)

T4bsF (Call me Flo) (time4bedsaidflorence) Loretta wrote: "Frankly, whoever gets in, now I've just had official confirmation that there is nothing nasty lurking in my eyes, I will find it easier to cope. Instead of being too worried about the outcome, I'm ..."

Relief....... the best sleep-aid known to man (or woman)
Yayy Loretta xx


message 5577: by Loretta (new)

Loretta (lorettalivingstone) | 419 comments T4bsF (Call me Flo) wrote: "Loretta wrote: "Frankly, whoever gets in, now I've just had official confirmation that there is nothing nasty lurking in my eyes, I will find it easier to cope. Instead of being too worried about t..."

:-)


Lynne (Tigger's Mum) | 4643 comments Thats very good news.


message 5579: by Michael (new)

Michael Cargill (michaelcargill) | 2992 comments Well fuck me a duck or three.


message 5580: by Loretta (new)

Loretta (lorettalivingstone) | 419 comments Lynne (Tigger's Mum) wrote: "Thats very good news."

Sure is. :-)


message 5581: by Jim (new)

Jim | 21809 comments Loretta wrote: "Frankly, whoever gets in, now I've just had official confirmation that there is nothing nasty lurking in my eyes, I will find it easier to cope. Instead of being too worried about the outcome, I'm ..."

That's good news


message 5582: by Patti (baconater) (new)

Patti (baconater) (goldengreene) | 56525 comments Michael Cargill wrote: "Well fuck me a duck or three."

What?


message 5583: by Peter (last edited Jun 08, 2017 10:07PM) (new)

Peter (peterws) | 4 comments Sounds like I might emigrate to Scotland . . . .wonder if they'll take an ole Sassenach . . . .!


message 5584: by Patti (baconater) (new)

Patti (baconater) (goldengreene) | 56525 comments So who could each party join with to get a majority?


message 5585: by Michael (last edited Jun 08, 2017 10:22PM) (new)

Michael Cargill (michaelcargill) | 2992 comments My duck comment was in response to the exit poll announcement last night... and having now woken up to see that it was pretty much spot on I feel like repeating it!

I'm absolutely gobsmacked that the Torys didn't get a majority.

Any party can form a coalition with any other party. Going purely on the numbers so far, a Tory-SNP coalition would be enough for a majority.

Ooof, Nick Clegg is gone.


message 5586: by Jim (new)

Jim | 21809 comments it's going to be interesting
The only party that shares Jeremy Corbyn's opinions on Brexit is the Tories
Normally the DUP supports the Tories without a deal, voting with them on everything but Irish issues, but this time the DUP is ant-Brexit which is an Irish issue.


message 5587: by Patti (baconater) (new)

Patti (baconater) (goldengreene) | 56525 comments I'm not at all surprised by the result. I was hoping labour would have got more seats, but I shan't complain.

I'm not surprised Clegg was ousted.


message 5588: by Loretta (new)

Loretta (lorettalivingstone) | 419 comments Jim wrote: "Loretta wrote: "Frankly, whoever gets in, now I've just had official confirmation that there is nothing nasty lurking in my eyes, I will find it easier to cope. Instead of being too worried about t..."

:-)


message 5589: by Loretta (new)

Loretta (lorettalivingstone) | 419 comments Patti (baconater) wrote: "So who could each party join with to get a majority?"

I can't imagine any of them joining with any of the others - if you see what I mean.


message 5590: by Marc (new)

Marc Nash (sulci) | 4313 comments RMF - Your boys took a hell of a beating (1 of 2)


message 5591: by R.M.F. (new)

R.M.F. Brown | 2124 comments So the Tories called this election to advance Tory interests. David Cameron called a referendum to heal Tory divisions, and both instances back fired. Badly

As always, the Tories put party before country. So we have a lame duck PM at the mercy of back bench nutters, and we're going into Brexit negotiations with that...

God help us. We deserve everything coming to us. The Tories have damaged Britain time after time, but people are still daft enough to vote for them. The French and Germans will rip us to shreds.

Can anybody explain why the people of England elect a party that damages Britain time after time?


message 5592: by R.M.F. (new)

R.M.F. Brown | 2124 comments Marc wrote: "RMF - Your boys took a hell of a beating (1 of 2)"

Sadly, it appears to be the case.


message 5593: by Michael (new)

Michael Cargill (michaelcargill) | 2992 comments Tories to form a coalition of sorts with the DUP bigots.

Go Britain!


eastwood  (do you feel lucky punk,well do ya) | 8545 comments jocks have more or less voted tory which is very strange, whats happened jimmy krankie ?


Lynne (Tigger's Mum) | 4643 comments It's not only the UK - the French election will be just as damaging to France.
I dread a coalition with a minority Irish party. I'm old enough to remember the last time they effectively pulled the government strings.


message 5596: by Peter (new)

Peter (peterws) | 4 comments Never has UK politics been so . . . .very interesting! I'm sounding like an optician now . . .


message 5597: by Michael (new)

Michael Cargill (michaelcargill) | 2992 comments Well I think this move by May pretty much kills any future jibes about Corbyn's links to the IRA.


message 5598: by Jim (new)

Jim | 21809 comments Michael Cargill wrote: "Well I think this move by May pretty much kills any future jibes about Corbyn's links to the IRA."

Gordon Brown was delighted to have the DUP on his side in crucial votes
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/...


message 5599: by Loretta (last edited Jun 09, 2017 05:23AM) (new)

Loretta (lorettalivingstone) | 419 comments I was going to vote for Larry until I realised his sole policy was the ready availability of catnip and a law demanding it be grown in every garden and window box. Probably not the best way to conduct Brexit unless he was going to lace the biscuits/cookies with it first. On the plus side, he never gets voted in or out meaning his governance is stable. Larry for PM!


message 5600: by Michael (new)

Michael Cargill (michaelcargill) | 2992 comments From Twitter:

Just seen someone describe the DUP manifesto as "basically just the bible, with fortnightly bin collections"

Made me laugh.


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